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Where did you get your medical degree from?
Well, I don't actually have a medical degree, but I do teach medical students in a medical school.

The general idea of science and medicine these days is to strive for objectivity, usefulness, and remove forms of bias, both in terms of the technical nature of the work, and how we treat people in the world. There are two essential problems about terms like "Spanish 'flu" or "China virus".

The first is that they are undescriptive in key ways we want them to be: we want to identify a biological or medical aspect about them. Knowing scientific / medical information about a virus is about a million times more useful when you're treating a sick patient or doing research than knowing the first country in which that disease either originated or became popularised.

Secondly, things like "wherever disease" have always, always tended to be used maliciously to smear other countries. The French called syphilis "the Italian disease" partly to insult the Italians' morality and cleanliness. The British called it "the French disease" and Muslims "the Christian disease" for the same motivation. Science and medicine should not use those terms, because they encourage bias and unnecessary hostility. The covid-19 outbreak has already been used to justify attacks and abuse of people from China. (And also people from other far eastern nations, because your average moron thug couldn't tell the difference between the Chinese, Japanese and Cambodians) This is strictly against the ethics of the medical profession, as per for instance the Declaration of Geneva.

Just in case we ever were under any confusion, it's no weird coincidence that the people who started saying and most aggressively use terms like "China virus" despite it already having a proper name everyone understood, were people invested in a political campaign against China, appealing to a xenophobic-inclined voter base, and trying to head off accusations of incompetence for their own poor efforts in responding to the outbreak.
 

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Where did you get your medical degree from?
One does not need a medical degree to know that the flu is caused by the influenza virus and the virus responsible for the current pandemic is a version of the corona virus.

So piss off with your "wuhan flu". Is this place so dead that even moderators don't bother showing up anymore?
 

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You guys don't follow what's happening, or did you forget the rest of the conversation? I am convinced you bother to answer me only when you want to attack me personally.
I gave B the same treatment she gave me.
Where did you get your medical degree from?
 

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Where did you get your medical degree from?
Hmm, nice try kid, but I'm just relaying the scientific consensus. You just make shit up.

You guys don't follow what's happening, or did you forget the rest of the conversation? I am convinced you bother to answer me only when you want to attack me personally.
I gave B the same treatment she gave me.
He. And if you think that's a witty comeback, it's because you have no idea what you're talking about. The rest of us are talking about actual science and the data that's available. You're bringing conspiracy theories to a science debate and acting as if your racist assumptions about the virus override the consensus of the scientific and medical communities. Then you complain and play the victim when called out on it.

It's not enough to wear the mantle of Galileo, you have to be right.
 
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I didn't mean to cause so much distress when I typed out 'Wuhan Flu'.
That is quite the description of posting animated youtube videos.
It was funny to me because I already watched those videos before, and I was familiar with it a decade ago. It's why I said that professionals in the field had been waiting for something similar, which was about the time I studied the subject by myself. I was like, "What, there was a world pandemic that killed more people than WW1 after the war? How did I never learn about it?". I guess I probably skipped the class for it during highschool or something.
 

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Has the last page or so really been a "gotcha" over a meme?
 
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Welcome to the Escapist, where the talking points don't matter and the discussion is meaningless.
You know what they say,"The Escapist the last bastion of Intellect in the sea of idiocy that is the Internet", definitely a true statement.
 

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It's not my fault people can't take a joke
Jokes have punchlines. What you offered was a premise, albeit a racist one. If you tell a joke and it bombs because you didn't think to read the room first, yes it is your fault. Comedy is not a blank check for no-class behavior.
 
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Jokes have punchlines. What you offered was a premise, albeit a racist one. If you tell a joke and it bombs because you didn't think to read the room first, yes it is your fault. Comedy is not a blank check for no-class behavior.
Well, it was less of a joke and literally a rhyming meme referencing the disease.

You're kind of coming across as petty. Just a bit.
 

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Well, it was less of a joke and literally a rhyming meme referencing the disease.

You're kind of coming across as petty. Just a bit.
I remember "Ok Boomer" and "Kill all Boomers" were all the rage before the Wuhan-flu, like a year ago.
Maybe I just don't understand the kids these days, but you could enlighten me on where the rhyming or meme is in the above sentence? From my perspective, none of it rhymes and there is a severe lacking of Drake, Spongebob, animals, "All the things!", etc.

Unless we're just calling being purposefully incorrect at best and racist at worst "memeing" now...
 
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Maybe I just don't understand the kids these days, but you could enlighten me on where the rhyming or meme is in the above sentence? From my perspective, none of it rhymes and there is a severe lacking of Drake, Spongebob, animals, "All the things!", etc.

Unless we're just calling being purposefully incorrect at best and racist at worst "memeing" now...
Eh, in fairness, it's usually just Wu-Flu.

Not sure why Iron decided to use the full name of the city, but. Hey. Is what it is.
 

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Eh, in fairness, it's usually just Wu-Flu.

Not sure why Iron decided to use the full name of the city, but. Hey. Is what it is.
I mean if he's going to do it for the meme at least go for Kung-Flu, it's funnier and just as politically incorrect.
 

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I mean if he's going to do it for the meme at least go for Kung-Flu, it's funnier and just as politically incorrect.
I should have used Kung-Flu, yeah. Oversight on my part. I think I did it to mention CCP's endeavors in doing hush-hush and changing the name. WHO connections and all that
 

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Eh, in fairness, it's usually just Wu-Flu.

Not sure why Iron decided to use the full name of the city, but. Hey. Is what it is.
The act of naming diseases after specific foreign regions has a long and ugly history of racism. Hell, back in the 14th century, people were blaming the Jews for the bubonic plague. This is not a new phenomenon. Racism never changes its ideas, it just gives them new coats of paint.
 
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The act of naming diseases after specific foreign regions has a long and ugly history of racism. Hell, back in the 14th century, people were blaming the Jews for the bubonic plague. This is not a new phenomenon. Racism never changes its ideas, it just gives them new coats of paint.
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