Biden clenches the nomination.

[crimson5pheonix]

Democrats in competitive down-ballot races hold out on endorsing Biden

The holdouts underscore challenges facing Biden as he prepares to lead a party fighting to defend a House majority and narrow the Republican majority in the Senate.

www.cbsnews.com

Democrats up for reelection in competitive areas aren't immediately lining up behind Biden. But it's a timing thing, honest!

 

[tstorm823]

I refer you to my previous posts about the suspicion of the other. If you want to live by that neo-Hobbesian fantasy then go ahead. I meanwhile am interested in building bridges without desperately needing a patriarchal mechanism to hide under because I imagine bad people to take my way of life away. I've had enough of that shit from nationalists in Baku about Nagorno Karabakh.

Question: can you build bridges with literally any of the groups you're demonizing?

 

[Dreiko]

I fell into a well of apathy for a month or two after it was pretty clear that Bernie wasn't gonna win but these developments are bringing me back in. Welp, I preferred apathy lol.

On one hand you have the positive of the pound me too grifters being exposed, on the other hand you have basically a guaranteed Trump re-election the way I see it going down. It doesn't quite balance out. And despite this, the two choices I'm hovering between is just not voting at all or voting for Trump cause the people supporting Biden deserve to lose. Only reason I'm prolly not gonna is that I'm sure they prefer losing than winning with Bernie, cause he'd actually help the people, so playing to their hands and then giving them leverage to dismiss what I have to say going forward isn't worth the satisfaction.

But yeah, when you have pro-socialism people feeling this way, it's no surprise centrists won't vote for you either.


Oh well, I'm sure it was Russia who fingered that woman back in the 90s.

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

Question: can you build bridges with literally any of the groups you're demonizing?

Yes, hence education, activism and labour. Perpetuating the nation state requires nothing, fighting for an alternative requires identifying the golden calf and working to do away with it.

 

[tstorm823]

Yes, hence education, activism and labour. Perpetuating the nation state requires nothing, fighting for an alternative requires identifying the golden calf and working to do away with it.

I'm pretty sure "education activism and labor" have made your ideology the most despised on the planet.

 

[Worgen]

I fell into a well of apathy for a month or two after it was pretty clear that Bernie wasn't gonna win but these developments are bringing me back in. Welp, I preferred apathy lol.

On one hand you have the positive of the pound me too grifters being exposed, on the other hand you have basically a guaranteed Trump re-election the way I see it going down. It doesn't quite balance out. And despite this, the two choices I'm hovering between is just not voting at all or voting for Trump cause the people supporting Biden deserve to lose. Only reason I'm prolly not gonna is that I'm sure they prefer losing than winning with Bernie, cause he'd actually help the people, so playing to their hands and then giving them leverage to dismiss what I have to say going forward isn't worth the satisfaction.

But yeah, when you have pro-socialism people feeling this way, it's no surprise centrists won't vote for you either.


Oh well, I'm sure it was Russia who fingered that woman back in the 90s.

Well, then you just want the nation to become more conservative since Biden is actually giving the progressive wing the best seat at the table that it has ever had.

Biden reaches deal to let Sanders keep hundreds of delegates

Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden has agreed to let former primary rival Bernie Sanders keep hundreds of delegates that Sanders would otherwise forfeit by dropping out of the presidential race.

www.snopes.com

And if they lose now then it will just prove that the progressive block is a flighty thing that might be loud but has no real political power and can just be totally ignored.

 

[SupahEwok]

Well, then you just want the nation to become more conservative since Biden is actually giving the progressive wing the best seat at the table that it has ever had.

Biden reaches deal to let Sanders keep hundreds of delegates

Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden has agreed to let former primary rival Bernie Sanders keep hundreds of delegates that Sanders would otherwise forfeit by dropping out of the presidential race.

www.snopes.com

And if they lose now then it will just prove that the progressive block is a flighty thing that might be loud but has no real political power and can just be totally ignored.

Kinda the opposite, actually. If the Dems lose because they don't have the progressive vote, that proves that vote's power.

 

[Dreiko]

Well, then you just want the nation to become more conservative since Biden is actually giving the progressive wing the best seat at the table that it has ever had.

Biden reaches deal to let Sanders keep hundreds of delegates

Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden has agreed to let former primary rival Bernie Sanders keep hundreds of delegates that Sanders would otherwise forfeit by dropping out of the presidential race.

www.snopes.com

And if they lose now then it will just prove that the progressive block is a flighty thing that might be loud but has no real political power and can just be totally ignored.

Nah, just thinking more long term.


It's better for the left to get the moderates completely destroyed and then try again in 4 years rather than solidify them for another 8, then get another republican like we did after the previous moderate (who also was promising progressive things btw) and then finally try again in 12 years time.

Also, note that this stance is based on my being convinced there's no way in hell Biden will win. The only non-trump scenario isn't a Biden one, it's one where they replace Biden with someone else.

 

[Worgen]

Nah, just thinking more long term.


It's better for the left to get the moderates completely destroyed and then try again in 4 years rather than solidify them for another 8, then get another republican like we did after the previous moderate (who also was promising progressive things btw) and then finally try again in 12 years time.

Also, note that this stance is based on my being convinced there's no way in hell Biden will win. The only non-trump scenario isn't a Biden one, it's one where they replace Biden with someone else.

Oh great, you're another one who doesn't understand how the supreme court works and just wants to burn down the world rather then not get exactly what they want.

Kinda the opposite, actually. If the Dems lose because they don't have the progressive vote, that proves that vote's power.

Not really, I mean this is seriously the best hand the progressive wing has been given, if they throw it away then it just makes them look like spoiled babies. That's not even talking about the possibility of the progressive wing going all cry baby and not voting, but it turning out that trump wasn't really that popular and Biden wins anyway, that possibility makes the progressive wing look even worse then if the democrats lose.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Not really, I mean this is seriously the best hand the progressive wing has been given,

A literal rapist.

Anyway, what would you say if Biden lost even harder than Hillary?

 

[Worgen]

A literal rapist.

Anyway, what would you say if Biden lost even harder than Hillary?

Then the US is probably going to be on a pretty conservative bend for the foreseeable future and women will be losing rights such as Roe V Wade and there will be no chance to return that right for a very long time, immigrants will also be fucked pretty hard and daca will be gone, we will probably see more wars and more political gerrymandering. Its also possible that people claiming to be socialist and such will start seeing more government investigation into them, possibly another mcarthy type era.

 

[Sneed's SeednFeed]

I'm pretty sure "education activism and labor" have made your ideology the most despised on the planet.

Please tell me more about my ideology. It always provides endless amusement to me.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Then the US is probably going to be on a pretty conservative bend for the foreseeable future and women will be losing rights such as Roe V Wade and there will be no chance to return that right for a very long time, immigrants will also be fucked pretty hard and daca will be gone, we will probably see more wars and more political gerrymandering. Its also possible that people claiming to be socialist and such will start seeing more government investigation into them, possibly another mcarthy type era.

We've already had 4 years of Trump and that hasn't really happened, and your solution is to install someone who has said on the record that they don't like Roe V. Wade, so that's pretty laughable.

What'll really clench it though is that, after Hillary lost, the DNC looked at their strategy and said "Hillary lost because she's a woman and she focuses on policy too much", to which a very large swathe of the party told them they were wrong. Which the DNC ignored. So Biden losing even harder should be a sign that the DNC has no clue how to operate a political party.

 

[Gergar12]

I love how Kristin Gillibrand who is the senate embodiment of feminism forced Al Franken who I don't believe was progressive enough to resign over superficial crap, but as soon as Joe Biden at a minimum molests women, she goes on national Tv to defend him due to political expediency.

The only politicians you should trust in America is 3/4s of the squad that endorsed Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders.

 

[Worgen]

We've already had 4 years of Trump and that hasn't really happened, and your solution is to install someone who has said on the record that they don't like Roe V. Wade, so that's pretty laughable.

You forget that politics moves slowly. We are already seeing steps in this direction with things like the fetal heartbeat bills. If the supreme court overturns Roe V Wade then that means that it won't immediately become illegal everywhere, but abortion will stop being a protected right and states will decide to make it illegal or not and a lot of them are chomping at the bit to make it illegal.

How States Are Preparing For A Potential Roe v. Wade Challenge | FRONTLINE

Legislation across the U.S. indicates that states are bracing for the potential of a post-Roe world.

www.pbs.org

I tell you what, you vote for Biden, if he doesn't protect abortion rights then I'll give you $500 bucks cause I would be shocked as hell if he doesn't go with the party line on this one since it is one of the big democratic issues.

What'll really clench it though is that, after Hillary lost, the DNC looked at their strategy and said "Hillary lost because she's a woman and she focuses on policy too much", to which a very large swathe of the party told them they were wrong. Which the DNC ignored. So Biden losing even harder should be a sign that the DNC has no clue how to operate a political party.

Again you are forgetting that she is probably the most hated politician in the country since the republicans have been running attacks on her since the 90s. Not to mention in 2016 we were seeing a wave of populism which is what propelled Bernie and trump to the forefront to begin with and Hillary was seen as the establishment, which she is, Bernie kinda is too since hes been in politics forever also, but lets ignore that since he feels like an outsider. Her message of America is doing good also didn't resonate as much as bring us back to a better time. (make america great again) And finally, she still won the popular vote by 3 million even with all of that going against her, she just didn't win in the right places.

 

[tstorm823]

Please tell me more about my ideology. It always provides endless amusement to me.

If it was endless, you wouldn't need me to provide you with more.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You forget that politics moves slowly. We are already seeing steps in this direction with things like the fetal heartbeat bills. If the supreme court overturns Roe V Wade then that means that it won't immediately become illegal everywhere, but abortion will stop being a protected right and states will decide to make it illegal or not and a lot of them are chomping at the bit to make it illegal.

How States Are Preparing For A Potential Roe v. Wade Challenge | FRONTLINE

Legislation across the U.S. indicates that states are bracing for the potential of a post-Roe world.

www.pbs.org

I tell you what, you vote for Biden, if he doesn't protect abortion rights then I'll give you $500 bucks cause I would be shocked as hell if he doesn't go with the party line on this one since it is one of the big democratic issues.

That's not new, they've been doing that for years now. Nothing has fundamentally changed.

Again you are forgetting that she is probably the most hated politician in the country since the republicans have been running attacks on her since the 90s. Not to mention in 2016 we were seeing a wave of populism which is what propelled Bernie and trump to the forefront to begin with and Hillary was seen as the establishment, which she is, Bernie kinda is too since hes been in politics forever also, but lets ignore that since he feels like an outsider. Her message of America is doing good also didn't resonate as much as bring us back to a better time. (make america great again) And finally, she still won the popular vote by 3 million even with all of that going against her, she just didn't win in the right places.

Correct, she didn't win the right places, namely, she didn't win outside of NY and California (Yes I know she won states outside of there, but it was generally depressed across the country outside of always blue cities). And of course the Republicans hate her, nobody cares, the Republicans hate anyone with D next to their name. You only care about what hardcore Republicans think if you're trying to get their vote. The left however tried to tell you that she was a bad choice over and over again for entirely different reasons than the Republicans, and the DNC is repeating their mistake of 4 years ago having learned approximately not-a-damn-thing in the intervening years.

If Biden loses even harder than Hillary you should really examine why you follow the DNC come hell or high water, not just because they don't like you, but because they can't even do their job of winning to save their lives.

 

[Trunkage]

Kinda the opposite, actually. If the Dems lose because they don't have the progressive vote, that proves that vote's power.

That did NOT work last time. They literally learnt no lesson from 2016 and just doing a copy cat approach with a worse candidate

Change, for the Dems, is just as hard as it is for Republicans. They don't want to learn lessons. I'd dare say we are going to have quite a few Republicans in a row. The Dems are pretty much relying on Trump to screw up big time to get the win. They still haven't realised that whenever Trump screws up, thats a win for Trump

 

[Worgen]

That's not new, they've been doing that for years now. Nothing has fundamentally changed.

Except the old swing vote that defended it before is gone. Kennedy retired which allowed trump toadie Kavanaugh to come in. While the court had a conservative majority before, Kennedy would sometimes go with the more left wing justices.

If Biden loses even harder than Hillary you should really examine why you follow the DNC come hell or high water, not just because they don't like you, but because they can't even do their job of winning to save their lives.

Oh I already know why I follow the DNC, because they aren't the republicans. Its a 2 party system and the republicans pretty much represent everything I disagree with so I'm going with the opposition despite them not really representing me.

 

[Saelune]

That did NOT work last time. They literally learnt no lesson from 2016 and just doing a copy cat approach with a worse candidate

Change, for the Dems, is just as hard as it is for Republicans. They don't want to learn lessons. I'd dare say we are going to have quite a few Republicans in a row. The Dems are pretty much relying on Trump to screw up big time to get the win. They still haven't realised that whenever Trump screws up, thats a win for Trump

Biden has the advantage of being a man, and we have 4 years of 'Told you so' to boot.

Even I who called Trump a Nazi back in 2016 am astonished how much of a Nazi he is.

Despite what some people here want to admit, a fair number of people learned their lesson.

And yeah, Biden is worse than Hillary, but that is because when progressives throw away their vote, that only lets things move further right, not further left.