Trump Directs FEDs to End Racial Bias Training In Move to Further Inflame Racial Tensions.

[lil devils x]

Trump just can't help but pour fuel on the fire amid national and global protests against abuses against blacks, instead of actually addressing the problems of racial bias by Police and federal officers, He instead moves to shift the agencies back further by directing them to end all racial Bias education and training:

In the two-page memo, OMB Director Russell Vought says that Trump has asked him to prevent federal agencies from spending millions in taxpayer dollars on these training sessions. Vought says OMB will instruct federal agencies to come up with a list of all contracts related to training sessions involving “white privilege“ or “critical race theory,” and do everything possible within the law to cancel those contracts, the memo states.
The memo, released on Friday, also tells all federal agencies to identify and if possible cancel contracts that involve teaching that America is an “inherently racist or evil country.”

White House directs federal agencies to cancel race-related training sessions it calls ‘Un-American propaganda’

White House tells federal agencies to cancel ‘divisive’ racial sensitivity training: report

The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) has reportedly directed federal agencies to cancel employee racial sensitivity training that may be “divisive” and “un-Americ…

thehill.com

 

[Hawki]

There's actually growing evidence to show that these kind of sessions actually make tensions worse or at least, any gains are quickly wiped out.

What’s unconscious bias training, and does it work?

Starbucks is giving this training to its employees, but it’s still so new that there’s no standard format and little research yet on whether it’s effective.

theconversation.com

Also, I can't help but wonder if those millions could be spent elsewhere. Not even necessarily on the police. But one thing I do know is that US police spend much, MUCH more time on weapons training than in other areas (such as negotiation). That's something I think could definitely reduce police fatalities.

 

[lil devils x]

There's actually growing evidence to show that these kind of sessions actually make tensions worse or at least, any gains are quickly wiped out.

What’s unconscious bias training, and does it work?

Starbucks is giving this training to its employees, but it’s still so new that there’s no standard format and little research yet on whether it’s effective.

theconversation.com

Also, I can't help but wonder if those millions could be spent elsewhere. Not even necessarily on the police. But one thing I do know is that US police spend much, MUCH more time on weapons training than in other areas (such as negotiation). That's something I think could definitely reduce police fatalities.

I think there are better ways to handle it than they currently are. In regards to things like the study in Medicine where they allowed people to better understand their own racial bias even when they were not aware of it helps people to better recognize it happening so they can actually adjust their own behavior. For example, when they showed that medical professionals were less empathetic to black people feeling pain and less likely to prescribe them the same medications they did other races, they can actually make the necessary changes to recognize this happen and put forth actual efforts to check themselves to make sure they are treating patients equally and we have the ability to actually track this and see if they are actually making the necessary changes in behavior, this can be a useful tool to help make necessary changes as long as the approach is impactful and they actually follow up to ensure the changes are being made.

On the other hand, if implemented like it has in areas such as policing and made out to be a joke no one takes seriously while they go about business as usual, of course it isn't going to have an impact. The problem of course is more in the actual hiring end, in the police unions protecting racist, racist actions and blocking improvements and in the culture itself and that has to be addressed for any training to even be able to make a difference in the first place. They have to address the underlying culture and initial training and until that is done it is a futile effort especially when we still have an abundant presence of white nationalists and other racist groups within these agencies themselves undermining any effort to make meaningful changes. I too would like to see them making meaningful changes in deescalation training and less time on focusing on just shooting people as well, but I am not seeing that is what is happening here though. None of that though is what this is about for Trump, however, he is just doing this to intentionally try to inflame the situation because he thinks it will improve his standing among his racist supporters.

 

[Trunkage]

There's actually growing evidence to show that these kind of sessions actually make tensions worse or at least, any gains are quickly wiped out.

What’s unconscious bias training, and does it work?

Starbucks is giving this training to its employees, but it’s still so new that there’s no standard format and little research yet on whether it’s effective.

theconversation.com

Also, I can't help but wonder if those millions could be spent elsewhere. Not even necessarily on the police. But one thing I do know is that US police spend much, MUCH more time on weapons training than in other areas (such as negotiation). That's something I think could definitely reduce police fatalities.

That's great and all. But Trump likes to dump idea (some of them I could agree need to be dumped) and never replace them with anything substantial (which I find profoundly stupid)

 

[Tsun Tzu]

That sounds less like cancelling all racial sensitivity training and just cancelling all the woke stuff.

Which.

All right, yeah. I'm good with that. Maybe move that cash to social workers in big cities.

 

[lil devils x]

That sounds less like cancelling all racial sensitivity training and just cancelling all the woke stuff.

Which.

All right, yeah. I'm good with that. Maybe move that cash to social workers in big cities.

It is really just cancelling all of it in reality. What is the difference between "racial bias training" and " woke racial bias" training? They are one in the same and all that currently exists I do believe. I honestly do not think it should be this separate thing from their initial training however, but instead intertwined in just about everything they do. Like it is somehow hard for them to not say and do things like this for example:

UK police to examine video of white officer stopping black driver because ‘drug dealers’ were in area

'How do you stop someone because they’re black then tell me they’re not racist?' asks driver

www.independent.co.uk

Three N.C. Officers Fired After Police Find Racist Comments on Video (Published 2020)

The officers in Wilmington, N.C., were fired for misconduct. The recording captured one saying, “We are just going to go out and start slaughtering” black people, according to a report.

www.nytimes.com

Cops Around The Country Are Posting Racist And Violent Comments On Facebook

Injustice Watch then spent months reviewing the Facebook posts by police and exploring the larger questions about how departments regulate social media by officers.

www.injusticewatch.org

Assistant Texas attorney general loses job after report surfaces racist tweets

Nick Moutos threatened Black Lives Matter protesters and has regularly referred to the organizers as “terrorists.” He called Islam a “virus” and trans people an “abomination.”

www.texastribune.org

 

[Tsun Tzu]

It is really just cancelling all of it in reality. what is the difference between "racial bias training" and " woke racial bias" training? They are one in the same and all that currently exists I do believe.

I mean. They literally gave you examples of differences within the article and memo.

I'd be a bit surprised if every modern racial bias class involved harping on “white privilege“ or indulging in “critical race theory” while also claiming the USA is an “inherently racist or evil country.” But, if that's the case? That's a bit telling in and of itself, now isn't it?

Send that money to inner city social workers and mental health departments or just ramp up training from people who are less inclined to such things.

 

[lil devils x]

I mean. They literally gave you examples of differences within the article and memo.

I'd be a bit surprised if every modern racial bias class involved harping on “white privilege“ or indulging in “critical race theory” while also claiming the USA is an “inherently racist or evil country.” But, if that's the case? That's a bit telling in and of itself, now isn't it?

Send that money to inner city social workers and mental health departments or just ramp up training from people who are less inclined to such things.

The actual courses do not really do that, that was just their wording for the memo, not that the actual training does that. LOL

The racial bias training does not claim that the US is inherently a racist or evil country, that was just the POV of the administration.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

The actual courses do not really do that, that was just their wording for the memo, not that the actual training does that. LOL

The racial bias training does not claim that the US is inherently a racist or evil country, that was just the POV of the administration.

Oh, well then that's good to hear.

However, it is kinda right there in the section you quoted for the original post though.

They seem to be actively delineating between contracts that bold-facedly engage in that sort of thing and ones that don't. So, if they're not doing what's been outlined, then they should be fine, right?

 

[lil devils x]

Oh, well then that's good to hear.

However, it is kinda right there in the section you quoted for the original post though.

They seem to be actively delineating between contracts that bold-facedly engage in that sort of thing and ones that don't. So, if they're not doing what's been outlined, then they should be fine, right?

It is in the section I quoted because that was what Trump said about them, sort of like when Trump says there are planes full of people in dark shadows on airplanes that control the streets that he says he is having investigated yet US officials deny their existence or an investigation into it.


Just because Trump says it does not mean that is an accurate statement or remotely true. Trump and his administration is referring to the programs addressing racial bias in that way, not that they actually necessarily actually do that. What Federal programs do they actually have in existence that say that the US is inherently evil? I am not aware of any, but that doesn't mean that isn't how Trump interprets them.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

It is in the section I quoted because that was what Trump said about them, sort of like when Trump says there are planes full of people in dark shadows on airplanes that control the streets that he says he is having investigated yet US officials deny there existence or an investigation into it.

Just because Trump says it does not mean that is an accurate statement or remotely true. Trump and his administration is referring to the programs addressing racial bias in that way, not that they actually necessarily actually do that. What Federal programs do they actually have in existence that say that the US is inherently evil? I am not aware of any, but that doesn't mean that isn't how Trump interprets them.

All right. Well. That's what the memo says. All the rest of this is sort of inferring intentions as well as extrapolation on your part.

For the time being, we've got the memo to go on. If further reporting indicates that all racial bias courses have been terminated under Trump's order, then I'd be glad to join you in a bit of outrage. But, for the time being, that's not what's been stated, or even implied.

And I'm not aware of any current contracts held by institutions or private individuals who conduct training courses on this material that engage in the things which were specifically mentioned either, but then, I'm not privy to such things. If you are, then that'd be interesting to hear about.

If they do, however, then I guess they're probably looking at a little less gold in their respective coffers.

 

[lil devils x]

All right. Well. That's what the memo says. All the rest of this is sort of inferring intentions as well as extrapolation on your part.

For the time being, we've got the memo to go on. If further reporting indicates that all racial bias courses have been terminated under Trump's order, then I'd be glad to join you in a bit of outrage. But, for the time being, that's not what's been stated, or even implied.

And I'm not aware of any current contracts held by institutions or private individuals who conduct training courses on this material that engage in the things which were specifically mentioned either, but then, I'm not privy to such things. If you are, then that'd be interesting to hear about.

If they do, however, then I guess they're probably looking at a little less gold in their respective coffers.

We actually have to have the specific programs identified before we can actually address whether or not Trumps description applies. From my understanding though this memo was a result of some nonsense Trump watched on Fox news and got all riled up about so chances are there are no programs actually matching his description. Tucker Carlson was specifically addressing programs that mention ways "that white people can end systemic racism"...

 

[Tsun Tzu]

We actually have to have the specific programs identified before we can actually address whether or not Trumps description applies. From my understanding though this memo was a result of some nonsense Trump watched on Fox news and got all riled up about so chances are there are no programs actually matching his description. Tucker Carlson was specifically addressing programs that mention ways "that white people can end systemic racism"...

Whelp.

I guess we'll see?

 

[lil devils x]

Whelp.

I guess we'll see?

TBH after everything else he has done, I am sort of afraid to. LOL
This has been an on going theme for Trump though:

‘Patriotic Education.’ Trump Rejects Grappling With America’s Racist Past

President Trump and Republicans are papering over America’s history of slavery, racial terror and social, economic and political injustice.

time.com

Trump administration wants to end race-based trainings for federal employees, official claims

The Trump administration is working to halt training exercises designed to educate federal employees about white privilege and other issues, a source told Fox News.

www.foxnews.com

But then again how can this be worse than cutting off already approved funding to to fire victims because they didn't praise him enough or something. After that, this is going to be hard to top.

Former Trump admin official says president tried to withhold California fire aid over political reasons

Miles Taylor, a former senior Trump administration official, accused the president of repeatedly using his office for political purposes, including directing officials to cut wildfire relief funding to California because voters there overwhelmingly opposed him in 2016.

abc7.com

 

[Trunkage]

That sounds less like cancelling all racial sensitivity training and just cancelling all the woke stuff.

Which.

All right, yeah. I'm good with that. Maybe move that cash to social workers in big cities.

How does the response going against Games Workshop saying something slightly woke? "Gatekeeping is good, they're ruining our game, get rid of all the people who dont think like us" etc.
How is the conversation going over Anime? "No, you need to accept that weeb life is the only life. You can't have you're version of anime" - which you can see on the couple threads just on this forum, which is a very tame forum.

 

[Agema]

There's actually growing evidence to show that these kind of sessions actually make tensions worse or at least, any gains are quickly wiped out.

Maybe. But that's not why Trump's ending them.

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The reality is that most short course training makes no or little difference for most people. But if we were really eyes wide open, that applies to everything: including things like fire and workplace safety training, too. This sort of training is only really useful as part of a much more widespread campaign of awareness, where the right behaviour is encouraged and reinforced systemically: the training is really just to kick the process off and set the tone.

If you send someone on a 2-3 hour training course and then drop them back in their department where nobody cares (or worse, reject it), those 2-3 hours are obviously not going to overcome the 8 hours every day of workplace environment, except perhaps in those very few who are incredibly inspired. This training is unlikely to work with people who went into it cynically, who think they have nothing to learn or that it's a load of rubbish, because they're ignoring it before they even started. It can give people false confidence in their abilities: "I can't do something wrong, I've been trained." People will just forget over time without reinforcement. Also, of course, it's likely a lot of these training courses are just bad courses: some jobbing mediocrity has been told to do one, and so they've just stuck some stuff together that looks kind of right.

Thus the problem with this sort of thing is not that it's pointless, it's that it may not be done with appropriate care and attention, and receive the wider support in the workplace environment to uphold it. At worst, it's even intended that way: a showy display of caring rather than the greater difficulty and expense of truly tackling the problem.

 

[lil devils x]

Maybe. But that's not why Trump's ending them.

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The reality is that most short course training makes no or little difference for most people. But if we were really eyes wide open, that applies to everything: including things like fire and workplace safety training, too. This sort of training is only really useful as part of a much more widespread campaign of awareness, where the right behaviour is encouraged and reinforced systemically: the training is really just to kick the process off and set the tone.

If you send someone on a 2-3 hour training course and then drop them back in their department where nobody cares (or worse, reject it), those 2-3 hours are obviously not going to overcome the 8 hours every day of workplace environment, except perhaps in those very few who are incredibly inspired. This training is unlikely to work with people who went into it cynically, who think they have nothing to learn or that it's a load of rubbish, because they're ignoring it before they even started. It can give people false confidence in their abilities: "I can't do something wrong, I've been trained." People will just forget over time without reinforcement. Also, of course, it's likely a lot of these training courses are just bad courses: some jobbing mediocrity has been told to do one, and so they've just stuck some stuff together that looks kind of right.

Thus the problem with this sort of thing is not that it's pointless, it's that it may not be done with appropriate care and attention, and receive the wider support in the workplace environment to uphold it. At worst, it's even intended that way: a showy display of caring rather than the greater difficulty and expense of truly tackling the problem.

This training really should be intertwined into everything they do, not some mini course separate from everything else, and there needs to be ways of tracking patterns of behavior within the departments to measure how well it is being applied in terms of community complaints, stops, arrests, body cam footage ect. If we expect to have a meaningful impact, we can expect to put in the effort to make it happen. Not just make a joke of it that everyone there mocks regardless all the while they are still hiring white nationalists and harassing minorities as usual while having the police union prevent them from changing anything or firing the worst offenders.

 

[Hawki]

That's great and all. But Trump likes to dump idea (some of them I could agree need to be dumped) and never replace them with anything substantial (which I find profoundly stupid)

Oh, don't get me wrong, I've no doubt that Trump is doing this out of spite. But it's a rare case where while I don't agree with him per se, I have to ask about the rationale for spending millions on a program that doesn't even seem to work.

Which, according to Jeff Daniels, is arguably a Republican thing to do. 0_0

 

[tstorm823]

Thus the problem with this sort of thing is not that it's pointless, it's that it may not be done with appropriate care and attention, and receive the wider support in the workplace environment to uphold it. At worst, it's even intended that way: a showy display of caring rather than the greater difficulty and expense of truly tackling the problem.

At worst, it's that AND counterproductive. Telling someone that they're members of a privileged group and other people are victims doesn't naturally make people check their privilege, but rather it encourages them to react the opposite way and rationalize how they are actually the victim. Telling someone that they're an oppressor and they just don't realize it is senselessly divisive nonsense. Critical anything theory is a load of crap where rather than actually analyzing cause and effect, you try to justify how everything is the fault of people with authority. It's the sort of thing that makes people claim everything is the cops' fault. No good will ever come from training cops to think they're oppressive racists and everything is their fault, anyone who believes that will quit while the vast majority will come out of it having been pushed further the opposite way. I can't say for certain if the training sessions as described even existed before this memo, but if they did, cancelling them was right, cause they were not just a useless showy display of caring, but a showy display of caring that was training cops to believe they're inherently opposed to racial minorities.

 

[Seanchaidh]

I'd be a bit surprised if every modern racial bias class involved harping on “white privilege“ or indulging in “critical race theory” while also claiming the USA is an “inherently racist or evil country.” But, if that's the case? That's a bit telling in and of itself, now isn't it?

Are you meaning to imply that the USA is not an inherently racist or evil country? Because... the people may not necessarily be. The earth on which they stand isn't. But the political institutions as they are now? The history of its founding and development? The police forces themselves and how they are used? Definitely so.