Burning the Quran in Norway, Sweden - Racism and Islamophobia Rampant in Europe

[SupahEwok]

It's just free speech... until it's something important to you that's getting burnt.

 

[Agema]

*Looks at West Boro Baptist church*

You're telling me they don't get hate now?

Let me be generous, and offer you the opportunity to retract claiming equivalence between a 70-strong cult of one religion and an entire religion with nearly 2 billion adherents.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

It's just free speech... until it's something important to you that's getting burnt.

You're right.

People burning Spice and Wolf novels should be strung up by their index fingers then left to rot in front of their parents.

 

[Jarrito3002]

You're right.

People burning Spice and Wolf novels should be strung up by their index fingers then left to rot in front of their parents.

And I will matyr those people as heroes for a righteous cause.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Let me be generous, and offer you the opportunity to retract claiming equivalence between a 70-strong cult of one religion and an entire religion with nearly 2 billion adherents.

Ok.

I retract it and point to literally years of dunking on Christians (mostly in the USA) for holding values that to some extent are just as equivocal to some of the views professed by Islam.

I mean there's literally running jokes about Christian ministers these days.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

It's just free speech... until it's something important to you that's getting burnt.

Do I own it?

No

Do I need to use it like say a public building?

No

Is it an Animal?

No

Then feel free to burn what is your property in the name of free speech.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Partly. 9/11 and the subsequent terrorism was rather more the issue. No-one really gave a damn before 9/11 - or at least, it was more in the realm of localised frictions where there were significant Muslim minorities.

Dunno about that, Muslim/Arab terrorists were staple bad guys of 90s action films.

I retract it and point to literally years of dunking on Christians (mostly in the USA) for holding values that to some extent are just as equivocal to some of the views professed by Islam.

I mean there's literally running jokes about Christian ministers these days.

Christians run the US (and most of the West), they have a lot more power to enforce their values. I don't really care what Wiccans or Zoroastrians believe, put them in charge of some major nations and that'd change.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Dunno about that, Muslim/Arab terrorists were staple bad guys of 90s action films.



Christians run the US (and most of the West), they have a lot more power to enforce their values. I don't really care what Wiccans or Zoroastrians believe, put them in charge of some major nations and that'd change.

Aren't those two religions already seen as jokes so it's kind of low hanging fruit to mock them mostly these days anyway.

 

[Hawki]

Aren't those two religions already seen as jokes so it's kind of low hanging fruit to mock them mostly these days anyway.

Wiccans, maybe, not so much Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism does have some clout left in it, at least in Iran and India.

 

[Agema]

Zoroastrianism does have some clout left in it, at least in Iran and India.

Zoroastrianism is virtually dead: it has under 200,000 adherents worldwide. About half are in India, and they stopped recruiting outside their community centuries ago and so it has been shrinking away as everyone born into it there who leaves the religion cannot be replaced. Arguably, that makes it a smaller religion than Wicca, although larger than Scientology (which claims ~10 million, although active membership more like 20-30k.)

 

[Samtemdo8]

Zoroastrianism is virtually dead: it has under 200,000 adherents worldwide. About half are in India, and they stopped recruiting outside their community centuries ago and so it has been shrinking away as everyone born into it there who leaves the religion cannot be replaced. Arguably, that makes it a smaller religion than Wicca, although larger than Scientology (which claims ~10 million, although active membership more like 20-30k.)

I wasn't aware that Zoroastrianism was even a thing in the Indian peninsula.

 

[Shadyside]

Do I own it?

No

Do I need to use it like say a public building?

No

Is it an Animal?

No

Then feel free to burn what is your property in the name of free speech.

This

 

[Schadrach]

Dunno, but burning the Koran and drawing Muhammad aren't attacks. Not in any meaningful sense of the word.

It offends Muslims, which is racist and islamophobic and it should probably be illegal to offend Muslims. Other religious groups remain, as always, valid targets for your ire. Especially Scientologists, they CLEARLY deserve it.

That said, I'm strongly against burning Korans, Bibles, etc. That's not really a striking a blow for free speech, it's just being a massively antagonistic prick.

...unless burning one of those things is deemed wildly more problematic than the others. Then there's something to be said about things one is not allowed to criticize.

The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit

Would it be bad if mine were Dexter, Sylar, and Thanatos?

It is not normal to react so violently for something as trivial as an idiot burning a book. Heck, it is exactly because the reaction was so predictible that the Quran was burnt to begin with. If no Muslim had reacted with violence it would have been a huge flop. Unfortunately some decided to prove the far right to be correct yet again.

The saddest words of tongue or pen are these: "/pol/ was right again."

I believe the Quran burnings are part of a concerted push from the far right to exacerbate these problems so that the general population will side with them.

So do something that will upset Muslims, wait for Muslims to react with violence, use violence to demonstrate they are right about them? Seems like the easiest way to fix that is to not react with violence. Or just ban all expression that upsets Muslims. One of those is an outright no-go in the US though, what with that silly 1st Amendment.

Alt right guys are dangerously close to radical Islam. Both groups of people want traditional gender roles, kill degenerates, hierarchy, and a mono culture. The only real difference is that alt right doesn't have a holy book.

...and also who should be atop the hierarchy.

*Looks at West Boro Baptist church*

You're telling me they don't get hate now?

See, that's different. Calling out fundie Christians, especially the angry ones is OK but calling out the fundamentalist Islam is wrong because they're mostly brown people and as a minority saying anything bad about any of them is denouncing the entire religious or ethnic demographic, or even potentially all PoC.

That's the wrong South Park clip for this thread. Here's the right one: