When Woodward asks if Trump has any impetus to understand Black Anger. Trump says "No"

[Buyetyen]

The system is not broken, it's the least broken system that there could be, in fact.

Which is real easy to say when you're not the one being hurt. Our politicians are privately funded with endless dark money coming in. Our police are out of control fascist thugs. Lobbyists rule Washington. Our education system prioritizes beating tests and American mythology over learning. Our justice system allows the wealthy and powerful to get away with literal murder while entire populations of people are treated as lesser for the crime of being born different. If this hasn't noticeably effected your life in some way, be a little more grateful for your luck.

The fact that it isn't perfect isn't an indictment of anyone or anything, and it is ignorant to overlook the alternatives that were also very real possibilities had history not played out the same way simply because there's obviously still issues.

I do not base policy on what could have been. I base policy on what is real and happening right now.

What you have here is sore losers trying to make up for their ancestral defeat at the expense of real progress, as opposed to working within the world that their ancestor's defeat created in order to benefit their present and future selves.

That is a load of empty, self-righteous pig shit.

People are still not over it and are trying to resist it instead of adapting to it, which is why there's problems.

I'm sorry, are you talking about minorities fighting for their civil rights or white peckerwoods who still unironically use the phrase, "War of Northern Aggression?"

And I know this because during this era my ancestors were of the enslaved, since the ottoman empire had conquered southern europe for 400 years give or take. That's why Constantinopole is called "Istanbul" now, that's just the turkish-ized ancient greek way of saying "is tin polin" which means "to the city" in ancient greek, and "the city" can only be the one big city everyone at the time knew of, Constantinople.

Every day we treat Istanbul as if it really is a part of Turkey is a day where were put the system I have described in practice and learn to live with the losses of our ancestors, and since I don't see Turkey giving it back any time soon, miss me with the privilege and microagression BS.

Congratulations on patting yourself on the back for nothing.

 

[Gordon_4]

I'm going to pull what is commonly refereed as a pro gamer move:
"citation needed"

Uh, alls you got is a black square chief.

 

[lil devils x]

I think the issue is that because everyone can take a shower and be presentable, when someone doesn't, people judge em, and it's on their choices, not their immutable traits.

And I dunno what you're talking about regarding transsexuals lol. Anyhow, individuality is about yourself, it doesn't extend to other people, so if you believe in individuality it doesn't even matter what other people think, that's their problem, you still get to be yourself however you want if we protect individual rights, despite people's feelings on that one way or another. On a more general point I tend to be extremely open minded with people and I don't care about what weird things they get up to. My policy is to not judge other people's weird stuff because I don't want other people judging mine. Now if your issue is me seeing those things as weird in and of itself, well, shouldn't you be happy that I don't judge em despite that though? Isn't that more significant than being fine with something you consider normal and unremarkable?

Here's the funny thing about that. Most wealthy white don't bother to take showers, wear nice clothing or take their time to look presentable when they go out. Quite the opposite. They come in their workout gear after going to the gym or running around the neighborhood. They walk around in flip flops having not shaved and showered for the day and they are all treated with respect. Black people can't even get that same treatment in a suit. That is what you call white privilege.
This is how wealthy people look when they shop:

A black person wearing the same thing gets accused of stealing and followed around the store. A white person doesn't need to take a shower, wash their hair, or do anything to make themselves look presentable to be treated with respect. They walk around town just fine not bothering with any of that, because they are privileged enough they can do so.White people can run around in sweats and hoodies all day but it is somehow "dirty" and unacceptable when black people do it.

When you take two people and have them wear the exact same outfit, one will be treated better than the other just about everywhere they go all day long. That is called privilege. Hell, most of the time White people don't even notice when a black person has taken a shower or not because all they see is black and see nothing else past that.

 

[tstorm823]

Too easy.

The Trump administration does not believe in systemic racism. But it's so real that Merriam-Webster is changing the definition of racism to include it.

President Donald Trump has been dismissive of conversations on systemic racism, and some of his top advisers don't believe it exists at all.

www.businessinsider.com

I see your answer is to post links where Trump doesn't deny systemic racism.

 

[lil devils x]

I see your answer is to post links where Trump doesn't deny systemic racism.

Don't you remember, Trump has every position on every issue depending on who he is talking to. Trump not denying it in one place does not mean he isn't feeding the racists what they want to hear in the other room. trump saying one thing and then doing another has been his game this entire time.

 

[tstorm823]

Don't you remember, Trump has every position on every issue depending on who he is talking to. Trump not denying it in one place does not mean he isn't feeding the racists what they want to hear in the other room.

I'll agree to that. Both those things can be true. But here we have Trump in the non-racist room effectively saying it isn't hard to understand the pain and anger of the black community and it's being seen as an admission of racism for I don't know what reason.

 

[Agema]

I see your answer is to post links where Trump doesn't deny systemic racism.

He, and his administration, and his party, consistently deny, downplay, refuse to discuss, refuse to (be seen to do) do anything about systemic racism. As before about climate change denier Ted Cruz, I don't require a totally explicit statement of intent to draw an obvious conclusion when all their other statements and actions speak loud enough.

 

[Hawki]

Out of the population that have ever lived, how many people did the invading? Because going on invasion trips doesn't work too well with farming. Could it be that MOST people didn't do the invading and some select groups did multiple invasions? Usually someone with grandiose titles like King or Emperor. Those 1% don't represent most people

That feels like semantics. If you're invading, you have to leverage the population from somewhere. If you want an actual statistic, it's been estimated that across human history (or at least what we call recorded history), about 90% of the world population has lived under some kind of empire. And empires usually spread through force. Statistically speaking, as of the mid 20th century, we're actually living in one of the most peaceful periods in human history, in part due to nuclear deterrance, in part due to how integrated the world economy is.

And they even left a lot of the invasions of the Americas from that list. From the outside looking in, it looks like that was what most of Europe actually did for a hobby or something. LOL

I'll grant you the former, not so much the latter. Just a cursory glance at the list alone shows no shortage of invasions on other continents. And if it's leaving out European invasion of the Americas, it's also leaving out the rise and fall of empires in South America, plus warfare even earlier than 500BCE - Egypt, Messopotemia, etc.

Maybe Europe's 'out-conquered' the rest of the world, but that's a state of affairs that's been true only of the last 500 years. Go back a 700 years, and the Mongols were out-conquering everyone. Go back another 300-500 years, and Arabs were out-conquering everyone. I'd make a comment about going ahead another few hundred years, but assuming that the political balance of the world remains the same, then invasions don't look likely, in part due to the reasons I described above.

 

[tstorm823]

He, and his administration, and his party, consistently deny, downplay, refuse to discuss, refuse to (be seen to do) do anything about systemic racism. As before about climate change denier Ted Cruz, I don't require a totally explicit statement of intent to draw an obvious conclusion when all their other statements and actions speak loud enough.

He, his administration, and the Republican party deny that policing is inherently racist and reject the false dichotomy that opposing communists throwing maltovs at police makes you a white supremacist. "Is there systemic racism in America" is not the same question as "are police systemically racist".

 

[Iron]

That feels like semantics. If you're invading, you have to leverage the population from somewhere. If you want an actual statistic, it's been estimated that across human history (or at least what we call recorded history), about 90% of the world population has lived under some kind of empire. And empires usually spread through force. Statistically speaking, as of the mid 20th century, we're actually living in one of the most peaceful periods in human history, in part due to nuclear deterrance, in part due to how integrated the world economy is.



I'll grant you the former, not so much the latter. Just a cursory glance at the list alone shows no shortage of invasions on other continents. And if it's leaving out European invasion of the Americas, it's also leaving out the rise and fall of empires in South America, plus warfare even earlier than 500BCE - Egypt, Messopotemia, etc.

Maybe Europe's 'out-conquered' the rest of the world, but that's a state of affairs that's been true only of the last 500 years. Go back a 700 years, and the Mongols were out-conquering everyone. Go back another 300-500 years, and Arabs were out-conquering everyone. I'd make a comment about going ahead another few hundred years, but assuming that the political balance of the world remains the same, then invasions don't look likely, in part due to the reasons I described above.

Its a lack of historical records and research outside of europe, really

 

[lil devils x]

That feels like semantics. If you're invading, you have to leverage the population from somewhere. If you want an actual statistic, it's been estimated that across human history (or at least what we call recorded history), about 90% of the world population has lived under some kind of empire. And empires usually spread through force. Statistically speaking, as of the mid 20th century, we're actually living in one of the most peaceful periods in human history, in part due to nuclear deterrance, in part due to how integrated the world economy is.



I'll grant you the former, not so much the latter. Just a cursory glance at the list alone shows no shortage of invasions on other continents. And if it's leaving out European invasion of the Americas, it's also leaving out the rise and fall of empires in South America, plus warfare even earlier than 500BCE - Egypt, Messopotemia, etc.

Maybe Europe's 'out-conquered' the rest of the world, but that's a state of affairs that's been true only of the last 500 years. Go back a 700 years, and the Mongols were out-conquering everyone. Go back another 300-500 years, and Arabs were out-conquering everyone. I'd make a comment about going ahead another few hundred years, but assuming that the political balance of the world remains the same, then invasions don't look likely, in part due to the reasons I described above.

Of course, from the perspective of a Native American, we tend to primarily focus on the people who came over here and invaded here rather than look at Europe's neighbors as much. Their neighbors didn't invade us, they did.. and we didn't do anything to them to provoke such an action in the first place. XD

 

[Agema]

He, his administration, and the Republican party deny that policing is inherently racist... "Is there systemic racism in America" is not the same question as "are police systemically racist".

I'm giving you notice that I am so bored with your repeated, sophistical, semantic arguments, I'm not going to respond to any of them from now on.

I'll agree to that. Both those things can be true. But here we have Trump in the non-racist room effectively saying it isn't hard to understand the pain and anger of the black community and it's being seen as an admission of racism for I don't know what reason.

It's not that it's racist, it's that he's saying in a roundabout way that he doesn't care.

As far as Trump sees it, it's someone else's problem. Here's his narcissistic, transactional nature again: doesn't mean anything to him, he doesn't care, he's not interested in doing anything about it as he perceives no benefit to himself. The fact that he's the president and it's job to run the country and consider the people in it for their benefit just doesn't seem to occur to him.

 

[Iron]

Trump is the president for his base, not for all of the US. If that base includes african-americans he will help them, which is what he had been working on in the past year.
You may object to this attitude, but it doesn't mean anything other than that.

 

[tstorm823]

As far as Trump sees it, it's someone else's problem. Here's his narcissistic, transactional nature again: doesn't mean anything to him, he doesn't care, he's not interested in doing anything about it as he perceives no benefit to himself. The fact that he's the president and it's job to run the country and consider the people in it for their benefit just doesn't seem to occur to him.

That's not what he freaking said! God dangit! The question he was asked was whether he felt he had to work to understand the pain of the black community. "No" to that doesn't mean "I don't have to understand them", it means "I don't have to work to understand them", because that's what the question was. Like, what the hell, man?

 

[SupahEwok]

Trump is the president for his base, not for all of the US.

Look at that, the channer has summed up all of our problems with our political leadership in one sentence.

Well, okay, some of them.

 

[Iron]

Look at that, the channer has summed up all of our problems with our political leadership in one sentence.

Well, okay, some of them.

Yeah I understand why you're this way, I have a similar situation here. I give to you the same advice I tell my friends when they agonize over politics here - don't think about it.

BTW the reason I emigrated to 4chan was because it was recommended to me here

 

[SupahEwok]

Yeah I understand why you're this way, I have a similar situation here. I give to you the same advice I tell my friends when they agonize over politics here - don't think about it.

BTW the reason I emigrated to 4chan was because it was recommended to me here

Truth is - I don't. Not in my daily life. I'm busy working, doing grad school, studying for licensing, and trying to lose weight. I don't have time for agonizing over politics. But, y'know, just cuz I don't think about them constantly doesn't mean that it's not happening and people aren't suffering.

A president doesn't represent his base. He represents his people. All of the people. I'm not sure if a president has had that sense of duty since Eisenhower.

 

[SupahEwok]

That's not what he freaking said! God dangit! The question he was asked was whether he felt he had to work to understand the pain of the black community. "No" to that doesn't mean "I don't have to understand them", it means "I don't have to work to understand them", because that's what the question was. Like, what the hell, man?

Nah, what he said was:

"No," Trump responded. "You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you? Just listen to you. Wow. No, I don't feel that at all."

And Woodward added:
Woodward described Trump's voice as mocking and incredulous, according to the Post.

There's that context you always pearl clutch over.

But it's okay, because as long as racism is implicit rather than explicit, it can be excused away. One of the standing pillars of the Republican party.

Now do tell me I'm brainwashed by the liberal media.

 

[Iron]

Truth is - I don't. Not in my daily life. I'm busy working, doing grad school, studying for licensing, and trying to lose weight. I don't have time for agonizing over politics. But, y'know, just cuz I don't think about them constantly doesn't mean that it's not happening and people aren't suffering.

A president doesn't represent his base. He represents his people. All of the people. I'm not sure if a president has had that sense of duty since Eisenhower.

Your american buddies here can debate you regarding presidents, I only know 3 of them well enough.
Good luck with the weight lose and your grad school. Uni had been keeping me busy as well.

I look at this as an outsider and I'm certain this is orchestrated to make you think voting for Biden would bring peace and stop all of the madness in 2020 while the poor guy is supposed to be retired sniffing kids somewhere in Florida.

 

[tstorm823]

Nah, what he said was:

"No," Trump responded. "You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you? Just listen to you. Wow. No, I don't feel that at all."

And Woodward added:
Woodward described Trump's voice as mocking and incredulous, according to the Post.

There's that context you always pearl clutch over.

But it's okay, because as long as racism is implicit rather than explicit, it can be excused away. One of the standing pillars of the Republican party.

Now do tell me I'm brainwashed by the liberal media.

That doesn't change anything. Trump is accusing him of drinking the Kool-Aid because Woodward was saying that as a rich, white, priveledged person, he has to work to understand the black community. Trump was mocking him for saying it's difficult to understand and flagellating himself.