More California quotas

[Specter Von Baren]

https://archive.is/FHhiw

Coorporate boards being required to have a minimum of specific diversity members.

The list is, Black, African-American, Hispanic, Latino, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Native Hawaiian or Alaska Native, or who identify as gay, lesbian, and bisexual or transgender.

Some have commented that the number of "bisexuals" in long term heterosexual relationships may go up with this.

 

[09philj]

I'm sure all of the minorities who get fucked over by the systematically biased algorithms that come out of Silicon Valley in the future will be greatly heartened that one nonwhite person will make money off of it. Like this is so clearly about the feelings of white people rather than the needs of nonwhite people.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Stupid idea really.

The mandate should be about attempts made during hiring to show a range of people interviewed based on the resumes sent in not just give some-one a job because that will create a perception of token hiring and certain people not being as competent. It's what happened with some Google initiatives where a long time black woman programmer left google within 5 years of them coming in because she said the perception set in that she was a diversity hire and not competent, despite being highly competent and a company veteran really. It also pushes the idea of low expectations and thus with some the pygmalion effect kicks in where if you don't expect them to be high quality workers they don't feel the need to try and live up to it.

 

[Avnger]

And when I'm sometimes asked when will there be enough [women on the supreme court]? And I say when there are nine, people are shocked. But there'd been nine men, and nobody's ever raised a question about that.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

problem is that assumes everyone has the same affinity for everything.

I mean it's going to be funny when it reaches course admission and Women's Studies who have log complained that computer Science courses are only 30% women at most have to deal with the fact their causes at most are 5% male......

 

[JoJo]

https://archive.is/FHhiw

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[Specter Von Baren]

Please can you add some description to this post to ensure readers have a grounding on the thread topic without clicking the link. Thanks!

And done.

 

[Trunkage]

This is the South African/ Hawaiian problem all over again. A whole bunch of people were excluded from working for a long time. Thus they've never had the opportunity to be managers/farmers nor have they made the necessary business contacts. They can be behind on skills

The people who have the power definitely aren't going to help those who were excluded because they might actual be better at it. No one actually wants competition. It's way better just to covertly exclude them from developing those skills. Thus stereotypes are built and forced onto people. Systematic problems building up deliberately blocking minority managers/ farmers from existing

This is not a great solution. What's happening right now is just as bad

 

[meiam]

This is such a terrible idea for so many reasons, first it's super easy to just claim your part of one of the group, how are they going to verify this in a way that doesn't involves ridiculous invasion of privacy? If someone say they're homosexual but claim they are in the closet and that's why they are in an heterogeneous relationship, what are they going to do? And what if they find some ancestor three+ generation back that belong to a racial minority without exhibiting any of the outward physical characteristic?

Then, even if you magically make sure everyone is really part of w/e group they say they identify with, what stop company from just making up bogus position to fulfill the quota?

And the biggest problem is that it'll make people associate competence with being a straight white male. Someone on the board who isn't a straight white male might just have had their job to fulfill the quota. Therefore, if someone on the board tell something to an employee they might genuinely respond with "let me just confirm this with a straight white male" and it would completely make sense.

Remind me when they banned company from doing credit/criminality check when hiring people, hoping it would lead to more minority being hired. Turned out it did the exact opposite, when people couldn't verify if someone had a history of crime or money problem, they just avoided minority that are associated with this issue.

When Banning One Kind of Discrimination Results in Another

A new paper finds that so-called “ban-the-box” policies, which prevent employers’ from seeing job applicants’ criminal histories, has unintended consequences.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Hawki]

or who identify as gay, lesbian, and bisexual or transgender.

What? No pangenders?

Bigots.

 

[Trunkage]

Oh, crap. Just thought of a succint way of saying what I wanted to say.

The current system is racist, sexist and bigoted

Don't replace it with a system that is also racist, sexist and bigoted.

That makes no sense

 

[Schadrach]

Some have commented that the number of "bisexuals" in long term heterosexual relationships may go up with this.

I mean, it's a minority you can join simply by declaring it so and presumably it doesn't require you to be "out" publicly so it's an easy way to cover that requirement.

problem is that assumes everyone has the same affinity for everything.

I mean it's going to be funny when it reaches course admission and Women's Studies who have log complained that computer Science courses are only 30% women at most have to deal with the fact their causes at most are 5% male......

Why would they have to deal with that? It'll just be written like the current CA quotas where there's a minimum for specific groups, but no maximum. For example, a board composed of three black lesbians would be more "diverse" than one composed of two straight white men and a black lesbian.

The current system is racist, sexist and bigoted

Don't replace it with a system that is also racist, sexist and bigoted.

Ah, but you see you aren't using the "right" definition of "racist" or "sexist." If you used the right definitions, you'd know that only men can be sexist (and only to harm women) and that similarly only white people can be racist (and racism only exists to benefit white people).

 

[Trunkage]

Ah, but you see you aren't using the "right" definition of "racist" or "sexist." If you used the right definitions, you'd know that only men can be sexist (and only to harm women) and that similarly only white people can be racist (and racism only exists to benefit white people).

So... the Farrakhanians aren't racist? You better tell the Sothern Poverty Law Centre, who usually tracks these things.
What about China against the Uygurs? Tibetans? Africans? By your definition, that cant be racist.
Modi against Muslims? You'd better tell those millions of Indians that protested that situation

 

[Thaluikhain]

So... the Farrakhanians aren't racist? You better tell the Sothern Poverty Law Centre, who usually tracks these things.
What about China against the Uygurs? Tibetans? Africans? By your definition, that cant be racist.
Modi against Muslims? You'd better tell those millions of Indians that protested that situation

Don't forget the Japanese against everyone in WW2.

 

[Schadrach]

So... the Farrakhanians aren't racist? You better tell the Sothern Poverty Law Centre, who usually tracks these things.
What about China against the Uygurs? Tibetans? Africans? By your definition, that cant be racist.
Modi against Muslims? You'd better tell those millions of Indians that protested that situation

Sorry, I forgot the "In the US (or other western first world democracies, for that matter)" which given the thread was was about CA quotas I had felt was context unnecessary to explicitly state.

 

[Trunkage]

Don't forget the Japanese against everyone in WW2.

You can't really immigrate to Japan either. International workers have their own quarter to live in... seperate from the general population

It's an improvement

 

[Kwak]

https://archive.is/FHhiw

Coorporate boards being required to have a minimum of specific diversity members.

The list is, Black, African-American, Hispanic, Latino, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Native Hawaiian or Alaska Native, or who identify as gay, lesbian, and bisexual or transgender.

Some have commented that the number of "bisexuals" in long term heterosexual relationships may go up with this.

This affects your life personally how?

 

[Houseman]

This affects your life personally how?

What are you implying? That unless something directly affects your life, they shouldn't be talking about it?
You were pretty talkative in that "explosion in Lebanon" thread. How did that directly affect your life? Do you live in Lebanon? Do you have family in Lebanon?

 

[Specter Von Baren]

This affects your life personally how?

This is a sub-forum for current events sir. The criteria for a discussion here is.... it being a current event. How many other things have we discussed here that had no bearing on any of us? Why aren't you giving the same snide remarks to Agema, Kae, or Trunkage for them talking about American politics all the time when they don't even live in the USA? Like, what?

 

[Gergar12]

A dumb rule, corporations still have the majority of white investors.

Also, a top-down approach like this won't work, you want to lift up people of color you must change the way you fund their schools, property taxes, healthcare, infrastructure, and minority-majority contracts from the state.

It ignores the vast majority of the working-class people of color, and nonpeople of the color working class. But the elites don't want to solve poverty they just want better optics.

Harvard literally stated they don't want to help poor people get into college, they would rather have diversity quotas, and keep legacy admissions. Because these people are elitists through, and through. God forbid we get upward mobility in America.

Edit: I will bring a quote to best sum up my position;

Real change is systemic and self-implicating

-Anand Giridharadas

This is neither.