Donald and Melania Trump Test Positive for Covid

[Seanchaidh]

You are incorrect. That was the trend at the height of covid stimulus, when people were getting unprecedented support. Giving people money doesn't counteract telling people to hide in their homes perpetually from imminent death.

I said sufficient, not unprecedented.

 

[tstorm823]

I said sufficient, not unprecedented.

Your definition of sufficient is communism. No, there is nothing plague-proof about communism. Get over it.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Your definition of sufficient is communism. No, there is nothing plague-proof about communism. Get over it.

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My definition of sufficient in this case is neither communism nor even socialism. It's just a generous enough temporary UBI.

It's true that socialist states do pretty well against plagues, though.

 

[lil devils x]

Donald Trump is recorded behind closed doors saying how covid is deadly and contagious.
CDC experts are on record saying Trump was matching their rhetoric when he did covid briefings.
Trump downplayed the virus in those briefings, and is now putting on a brave face about the virus he has.

Trump is downplaying covid publicly because doctors and experts told him it's the right things to do. And of course they did, fear and panic lead to more people dying. You have spent 6 months fearmongering about the virus. You'd rather people die than Trump get a single thing right.

Trump is recorded as stopping the shipments of masks from going out to people who desperately need them, not using the Defense production act to make sure all of those on fixed incomes and struggling right now can afford basic hygiene and sanitation products. Schools are underfunded as it is, they needed those masks., Many on fixed incomes STILL haven't been able to buy masks at all during this, they just did without TP during the shortages and STILL are unable to buy disinfectant. My elderly neighbors' ONLY masks are the one's I gave them. No one else has even bothered or tried. How many more are out there that are in the same boat as they are in that no one has even given them masks yet, tried to help them get the supplies they need to stay alive during this? Trump NOT having a national plan and making sure the people have the supplies to get through this is why these people are afraid to leave heir homes. There is nothing else he can do that will change that. Those who are privileged enough that they do not have to ration their food though this and can afford to buy masks and disinfectant don't seem to understand that there are millions without that luxury. Prior to the pandemic, many of the elderly and other's struggling were already having to ration their basic hygiene products, they couldn't even afford any of the price hikes to maintain basic supplies at all so they just did without.

Trump has been interfering with the CDC, they say what he allows them to say.

Former CDC heads: Trump undermining COVID-19 response

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Downplaying COVID-19 and not providing them with what they need to survive it= making people worry more because he is lying to their faces and doing nothing to stop them and their loved ones from dying here. The families of the deceased are pretty pissed about it and you really should be too.

 

[Dalisclock]

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My definition of sufficient in this case is neither communism nor even socialism. It's just a generous enough temporary UBI.

It's true that socialist states do pretty well against plagues, though.

If the Socialists are doing a hell of a lot better then we are, why is Socialism bad again? I mean other then that the right shits their pants in fury whenever it's so much as mentioned as a viable alternative, which really isn't a downside either.

Oh yeah, something something commies something something that's why there's a triangle on the money.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

If the Socialists are doing a hell of a lot better then we are, why is Socialism bad again? I mean other then that the right shits their pants in fury whenever it's so much as mentioned as a viable alternative, which really isn't a downside either.

Oh yeah, something something commies something something that's why there's a triangle on the money.

I mean, honestly, it's wild to see it get all McCarthy era in here, "It's not insufficient, you communist!"

 

[dreng3]

Seems Stephen Miller caught it as well. This might be the first ever example of human to lizard-person transfer of covid.

 

[Kwak]

Hey, lil devils. What's the medical effect of fear? If you wanted people to approach a virus from the mindset most likely to help their condition, what would you suggest?

Hint: fear hurts the human immune system.

Hol. eee. shit.

 

[lil devils x]

Seems Stephen Miller caught it as well. This might be the first ever example of human to lizard-person transfer of covid.

I am having a really difficult time feeling bad for him due to how malignant that man actually is, the harm he has inflicted upon so many through his actions. I feel horrible for secret service, the people cleaning the white house, their families and all of those who these anti mask monsters forced into this horrible circumstance and hope they are able to make it through this. They didn't deserve to have this happen to them. I can't say the same for those in this administration who are responsible for inflicting this harm upon everyone else though. It is like expecting me to feel bad for people who are trying to kill my family, friends, neighbors with poison, and then they accidently poison themselves in the process.

 

[Dalisclock]

Seems Stephen Miller caught it as well. This might be the first ever example of human to lizard-person transfer of covid.

Isn't that the white supremist fuck, or was that Steve Bannon? It's hard to tell anymore.


In that case..here's a Joke.

What happens when a Nazi gets Covid?
Who fucking cares? He's a Nazi.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Hol. eee. shit.

Yeah, that one stands out even for this forum.

 

[Dalisclock]

Hol. eee. shit.

The Irony is so fucking thick you could use to annuate gamma radiation.

I'm assuming Gamma Radiation is still a real thing and not an invention of the liberal media to make the Trump administration look bad because they're just jealous of how incredibly successful Trump is at everything.

 

[dreng3]

Isn't that the white supremist fuck, or was that Steve Bannon? It's hard to tell anymore.

I think the boys at Crooked Media described him best "C+ Santa Monica fascist, Stephen Miller."
Besides, I don't think you get any say in the present government without being a bit of a white supremacist. Though Bannon is definitely amongst the worse members.

 

[Dalisclock]

Nobody is listening unless it suits their politics.

Well, you're right about this. I'll give you that.

 

[lil devils x]

Well, you're right about this. I'll give you that.

I don't necessarily think that is right. We ARE listening, the problem is what we are hearing is so messed up we don't know how to process that anyone thinks any of that is any way shape or form a good idea or that it even makes an sense.

How anyone can hear what he says and think what he is saying is good is what is not understandable.

 

[Dalisclock]

I don't necessarily think that is right. We ARE listening, the problem is what we are hearing is so messed up we don't know how to process that anyone thinks any of that is any way shape or form a good idea or that it even makes an sense.

How anyone can hear what he says and think what he is saying is good is what is not understandable.

I meant in the general "People tend to look at things that confirm to their own biases, everyone retreats into gated communities and nobody talks to each other". As polarized as the country is now, in a very broad sense it's correct. I mean, hell, polling pretty much confirms there's almost nobody left to convince at this point. You either love Trump for who he is and everything that's happened under his watch....or you really, really don't and will vote for anyone other then him to kick his ass to the curb. The trenches are dug deep and pretty much everyone knows what side they're on by now. There's supposedly 10% undecided right now but I can only speculate these are people who are either incredibly apathetic, plan to vote 3rd party regardless or do not pay attention to politics at all for whatever reason.

He's still wrong on a shitton of other things mostly due to his bizarre love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name for Trump, thus why he keeps claiming he doesn't like him but then spends so much energy going to bat for the man.

And to answer your question, Trump hates the same things they hate. That's why his base loves him. He "Owns the libs" and anything is worth the price of doing so, apparently.

 

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[lil devils x]

I meant in the general "People tend to look at things that confirm to their own biases, everyone retreats into gated communities and nobody talks to each other". As polarized as the country is now, in a very broad sense it's correct. I mean, hell, polling pretty much confirms there's almost nobody left to convince at this point. You either love Trump for who he is and everything that's happened under his watch....or you really, really don't and will vote for anyone other then him to kick his ass to the curb. The trenches are dug deep and pretty much everyone knows what side they're on by now. There's supposedly 10% undecided right now but I can only speculate these are people who are either incredibly apathetic, plan to vote 3rd party regardless or do not pay attention to politics at all for whatever reason.

He's still wrong on a shitton of other things mostly due to his bizarre love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name for Trump, thus why he keeps claiming he doesn't like him but then spends so much energy going to bat for the man.

And to answer your question, Trump hates the same things they hate. That's why his base loves him. He "Owns the libs" and anything is worth the price of doing so, apparently.

I actually don't think it is necessarily as cut and dry as that, some people are just brainwashed by the constant barrage of propaganda and they really do not know what is going on. Living deep in the heart of Trump territory, I am around people all the time who really have no idea what is happening. They vote Trump because their parents told them to. Just a couple of days ago a guy I went to school with posted on his Facebook " why is everyone suddenly yelling about socialism, is it bad or something?" because so many locals here have been on the Bernie is a socialist Nazi propaganda Kool-Aid. People are constantly posting and spreading Trump's BS here. I actually reached out to him and explained to him what it was about and talked to him about the ACA and other issues, and he genuinely didn't have a clue what was going on with any of it. I actually think that the way we have our entertainment bubbles due to the internet now, that people can not see/ hear about most things they have no interest in due to them listening to music, playing their own games, reading what they want without having to see/ hear much of what they didn't choose to. We have people who just don't bother finding out because they only see/ hear what they enjoy and are not paying attention to anything else. Before my mom fell, she spent most of her time in her garden, so she didn't really read or listen to the news at all. I think there are plenty of people that just don't even understand the issues and are not bothering to find out. Once they are made aware, they change their minds due to actually finally understanding what people were making a fuss about in the first place. Some people just " go with the flow" until they actually become more informed rather than all being die hard entrenched Trump supporters who believe that crap.

Those are exactly the people we need to reach though, as they only seem to know what people around them are telling them rather than looking at the data themselves to be able to make an informed opinion about it. When I spoke to my former classmate, he seriously had no clue any of this was going on at all, so I gave him the information and let him make up his mind about it. Some people are really just oblivious to it. He was actually not considered undecided as he was planning on voting for Trump because everyone else he knew was. He isn't doing that anymore... Not everyone is as invested, it just takes opening their eyes to see what is happening.

 

[Elijin]

I personally love the right wing idea that there was no possible way to combat and contain this, and America did its best and that's that.

Just keep sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring all the other countries that did handle it, tstorm

Personally I'm going to do....whatever I feel like, because we've been out of lockdown and covid free for months now.

 

[Silvanus]

They have. The experts have been saying that. The CDC has been saying most business shutdowns are bad policy. The pediatric groups said that closing schools was worse for the health of children than the virus. Overdoses are up 20-30%. Suicide hotlines had spikes in activity that they don't want to report the rate of. Reports of people avoiding hospitals and dying because of it because they were afraid of the virus. All of this is going on. Nobody is listening unless it suits their politics.

None of this equates to downplaying the severity of the virus.

I don't think that we are going to get out of this completely unscathed. I think that this is going to be one of those things we look back on and say "boy, that was bad".

It could be really, really bad. I don't think it's gonna be, because I think we'd be able to do the kind of mitigation. It could be mild. I don't think it's going to be that mild either. It's really going to depend on how we mobilize.

It's really, really tough because you have to be honest with the American public and you don't want to scare the hell out of them. And then other times, in attempts to calm people down, [leaders] have had people be complacent about it. This is particularly problematic in a ‘gotcha” town like Washington.

Trump famously referred to Fauci as "a bit of an alarmist", and publicly contradicted him on the likely timeline for a vaccine. White House staff (and Peter Navarro) have been involved in briefing against Fauci, with the White House sending documents purporting to undermine Fauci's credibility to various news sources.

Trump also publicly contradicted Robert Redfield on the vaccine timeline, calling him "confused" and saying his timeline was "just incorrect information". Remember also when Trump claimed the virus could be gone by Autumn, and Dr. Fauci immediately responsed that the virus would still be around by then.

Through last week, and into Monday, the administration continued to cast public doubt on the agency’s [the CDC] recommendations and role in informing and guiding the nation’s pandemic response.

We’re seeing the terrible effect of undermining the CDC play out in our population. Willful disregard for public health guidelines is, unsurprisingly, leading to a sharp rise in infections and deaths. America now stands as a global outlier in the coronavirus pandemic.

The United States now has more cases and deaths than any other country and the sixth-highest rate of any large country in the world — and we are gaining on the other five. The United States is home to a quarter of the world’s reported coronavirus infections and deaths, despite being home to only 4.4 percent of the global population.
Sadly, we are not even close to having the virus under control. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Trying to fight this pandemic while subverting scientific expertise is like fighting blindfolded.

The CDC, remember, has been repeatedly denigrated and muzzled by Trump and Michael Caputo. He has prevented the release of their produced guidelines, and publicly contradicted their statements on lockdown and masks.

Scientists across 16 Federal agencies have contributed to research by the Union of Concerned Scientists in 2018, showing increased censorship, low morale, and interference under the current US administration.

I’ve never seen such an orchestrated war on the environment or science.

The nerve he has, to hold that kind of rally. I'm speechless.

It undermines public trust. This isn’t well-coordinated.

Any time something new like this happens, it’s going to be messy. But several of the administration’s actions have undermined our preparedness.

When President Donald Trump started talking to the public about COVID-19 in February and March, scientists were stunned at his seeming lack of understanding of the threat. We assumed that he either refused to listen to the White House briefings that must have been occurring, or that he was being deliberately sheltered from information to create plausible deniability for Federal inaction. As he was playing down the virus to the public, Trump was not confused or inadequately briefed: he flat-out lied, repeatedly, to the American people. These lies demoralised the scientific community and cost countless lives in the United States".

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