Any death squads I would or would not be acquainted with would not in fact be privately owned, correct, but they would also not be Mexican.
Militia Plot to Kidnap Michigan Governor and Overthrow Government
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Remember guys: the real threats are Antifa and BLM. The FBI's just making it all up about these militia.
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Technically, by the definition and the usage in the US since the 1930's you are still accurate, in interchanging liberals and leftists, as that is actually what is what many actually do, regardless of what someone else's narrow understanding and usage of the word refuses them to allow to expand their definition to include what the dictionary actually says.
Him wanting to ignore the dictionary, and common usage since the 1930's, doesn't mean you were somehow wrong or needed to be corrected.
"Modern liberalism includes issues such as same-sex marriage, reproductive and other women's rights, voting rights for all adult citizens, civil rights, environmental justice and government protection of the right to an adequate standard of living.[4] National social services such as equal educational opportunities, access to health care and transportation infrastructure are intended to meet the responsibility to promote the general welfare of all citizens as established by the United States Constitution. Some liberals, who call themselves classical liberals, fiscal conservatives or libertarians, endorse fundamental liberal ideals, but they diverge from modern liberal thought, claiming that economic freedom is more important than equality and that providing for general welfare as enumerated in the General Welfare Clause exceeds the legitimate role of government.[5] "
Liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia
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adjective
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open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people" - (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
"a liberal democratic state" - https://languages.oup.com/google-dictionary-en/
- (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
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Okay. I'm just making sure that any hypothetical death squads you may or may not be associated with North or South of the border would employ an egalitarian horizontal power structure and isn't one of those bad death squads who take their orders from some kind of despot protecting their own interests.
If I were to be associated with a death squad it would employ horizontal power structures, yes.
See now you are using " lying politicians" as being synonymous with " liberal" and that is no better than people calling Bernie a " Nazi".
I get it, you were taught to believe Liberals were the devil. Just understand, that is not the universal understanding of the word. FDR was a liberal too, and if it were not for him, we would have had millions of elderly and disabled die. He laid the groundwork needed to expand these programs now.
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Well, Bernie’s a Jewish Socialist and not a fucking Lib trying to appropriate the Black Panthers, so nah that’s not equatable. Also the people in that song aren’t politicians.
Yea, it reminds me of that "old man Trump" song. Still the point stands that they are equating Liberals to liars, and is entirely situational. Try telling people "Bernie is looking out for us" when they are spreading all this Bernie is a Nazi crap on local Facebook groups here.. That is about as easy as trying to make you understand there are different uses of the word liberal in the US as well.
I know you’re historically illiterate. As I said, this is of little consequence to me. I am upset you participated in appropriating the Panthers.
I mean sure Wikipedia and the dictionary are certainly sources but I mean probably not great ones when it takes entire books to outline aspects of a particular political theory or philosophy. Also yeah, words evolve and morph over time but when it comes to certain words we should maybe kind of resist it. Lots of people use the word theory to mean "thing I believe because of a hunch I had".Technically, by the definition and the usage in the US since the 1930's you are still accurate, in interchanging liberals and leftists, as that is actually what is what many actually do, regardless of what someone else's narrow understanding and usage of the word refuses them to allow to expand their definition to include what the dictionary actually says.
Him wanting to ignore the dictionary, and common usage since the 1930's, doesn't mean you were somehow wrong or needed to be corrected.
"Modern liberalism includes issues such as same-sex marriage, reproductive and other women's rights, voting rights for all adult citizens, civil rights, environmental justice and government protection of the right to an adequate standard of living.[4] National social services such as equal educational opportunities, access to health care and transportation infrastructure are intended to meet the responsibility to promote the general welfare of all citizens as established by the United States Constitution. Some liberals, who call themselves classical liberals, fiscal conservatives or libertarians, endorse fundamental liberal ideals, but they diverge from modern liberal thought, claiming that economic freedom is more important than equality and that providing for general welfare as enumerated in the General Welfare Clause exceeds the legitimate role of government.[5] "
Liberalism in the United States - Wikipedia
adjective
- 1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
- (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
"a liberal democratic state"- https://languages.oup.com/google-dictionary-en/
Equating Liberal with socialist or left wing dilutes the meaning of those latter ideas and, as Kae pointed, out leads to straight up misappropriation of key words, like libertarian.
It also paints positions like anarchism or socialism as extremist leftist views and "liberals" as the more reasonable flavour of left wing. (ie the flavour of left wing that will just let the right continue all of the most damaging things they enjoy doing like transferring wealth to the wealthy through private property and capital protecting itself by funding the political class) you might vote for politicians and your taxes might pay their salaries but try don't represent you because you don't give them all that other money. Do you think Joe Biden is a millionaire because of his salary? Who do you think he really represents.
Do liberals believe in getting rid of wage labour? Do they believe in getting rid of the hierarchical power structure of "representative democracy"? Do they believe that states and the rules therein which are created by the political class and those that hold the capital to protect the political class and those that hold the capital are themselves forms of violent coercian? No they don't. So they don't believe in "maximum individual liberty". They believe in the maximum amount of individual liberty that the ruling class will allow them. Which is a different amount of liberty. They believe in supporting the power structures that fascists use to facilitate their goals and that let's fascists, you know, use those power structures that liberals insist on protecting.
"In the United States, social liberalism describes progressive moral and social values or stances on socio-cultural issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage as opposed to social conservatism. Because cultural liberalism expresses the social dimension of liberalism, it is often referred to as social liberalism, although it is not the same as the broader political ideology known as social liberalism. A social liberal in this sense may hold either more conservative or liberal views on fiscal policy.[16] "
Social liberalism - Wikipedia
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Of course they don't believe in getting rid of representative democracy because then we would just have the mafia take over instead and that would be horrible. DO I really want these militia groups calling the shot? HELL NO. ATM, representative democracy is the only thing keeping that from happening at all here. "ruling class" is only if we vote for them. ANYONE can run for office, it is just a matter of having the support. We have elected both wealthy and poor in the US, it is just the wealthy often tend to drown out most others due to the power of wealth, but we do manage to get people through here and there regardless. Look at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Biden initially came from a working middle class family, they weren't wealthy. We wouldn't even have people like Bernie Sanders representing us if we did not have a representative democracy, so yea, it is pretty necessary. The problem we have though is the Republic.. the electoral college, which we have had some liberals calling to end that as well.
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This whole idea that liberal means left wing is exclusive to the US and doesn't actually seem to hold up even in a US context.
Was Bill Clinton a leftist? He promised to "end welfare as we know it" and he did.
Was Obama a leftist? He paid hundreds of billions of dollars of public money into corporate welfare, dozens of times what the state was paying to poor families under Clinton's welfare reforms.
Are these the actions of leftists?
If anything, from an outside perspective, liberalism seems to mean less in the US context than anywhere else in the world. Obama didn't support same-sex marriage until 2012, long after it became clear that it was politically advantageous to do so. Still apparently a liberal.
I feel that sometimes the leftist criticism of liberals as individuals boils down to stereotypes. I don't think a person with any real convictions can be forced to watch the West Wing or Saturday Night Live without coming to a deeply pejorative view of the target audience. But it's important to remember, I think, that there are probably liberals out there who have actual convictions. They just aren't represented in the political system, or in the general culture that surrounds liberalism.
Regardless, if you go around calling leftists liberals, you're not going to make any friends.
Was Bill Clinton a leftist? He promised to "end welfare as we know it" and he did.
Was Obama a leftist? He paid hundreds of billions of dollars of public money into corporate welfare, dozens of times what the state was paying to poor families under Clinton's welfare reforms.
Are these the actions of leftists?
If anything, from an outside perspective, liberalism seems to mean less in the US context than anywhere else in the world. Obama didn't support same-sex marriage until 2012, long after it became clear that it was politically advantageous to do so. Still apparently a liberal.
I feel that sometimes the leftist criticism of liberals as individuals boils down to stereotypes. I don't think a person with any real convictions can be forced to watch the West Wing or Saturday Night Live without coming to a deeply pejorative view of the target audience. But it's important to remember, I think, that there are probably liberals out there who have actual convictions. They just aren't represented in the political system, or in the general culture that surrounds liberalism.
Regardless, if you go around calling leftists liberals, you're not going to make any friends.
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He was both. His movement, the New Democrats, were both. This isn’t complicated.
Glad they been found and stopped before any harm could be done. Am just a wee bit curious as to what they were thinking their "trial" would be, and whether they had any real belief that it'd strictly follow "fairness." All i can imagine is some ultra-hillbilly version of Crane's courts from the Dark Knight Rise film, and even that is likely too sanitised and sugar-coated.
Can we all get back to the subject about militant assholes that tried to kidnap the governor in my fucking state?! Rather some own peoples warped view morality and their own unique, but epicly wrong meaning of what's "liberal" or "conservative". Except for you @lil devils x at pointing their inconsistencies and bullshit. All I have to say is what little respect I had for certain people on this forum has dropped in the negative infinity zone. I hope you are proud of that.
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Plans to kidnap Whitmer, overthrow government spoiled, officials say
The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer
www.detroitnews.com
FBI busts militia 'plot' to abduct Michigan Gov Gretchen Whitmer
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer has become a target of coronavirus lockdown sceptics.
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Bill Clinton was a neoliberal. So was Obama. So is Biden. So is almost any member of the democratic party with any real influence today.
Again, liberalism is not actually a left wing position. You don't get to kick people out of liberalism because you don't like their right wing policies. It's not an accident that they have those policies and ended up leading a "liberal" party.
I never posted for your respect.Can we all get back to the subject about militant assholes that tried to kidnap the governor in my fucking state?! Rather some own peoples warped view morality and their own unique, but epicly wrong meaning of what's "liberal" or "conservative". Except for you @lil devils x at pointing their inconsistencies and bullshit. All I have to say is what little respect I had for certain people on this forum has dropped in the negative infinity zone. I hope you are proud of that.
Plans to kidnap Whitmer, overthrow government spoiled, officials say
The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmerwww.detroitnews.comFBI busts militia 'plot' to abduct Michigan Gov Gretchen Whitmer
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer has become a target of coronavirus lockdown sceptics.
I didn't kick them out. There were no liberals in Arkansas politics at the time.. LOL Being a democrat doesn't make you a Liberal, ESPECIALLY in the south. I am not aware of anyone here in Texas that was under that delusion of him being anywhere near being a liberal and I am not sure why anyone would tbh. Southern Democrat's found liberals extremely distasteful.