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Girls dancing like women? Sort of like girls cooking like women? Taking care of their dolls like their mothers take care of the babies? Yea, this is just one of the MANY things girls do as a part of growing up as a female in this world. We have like an entire section of toys that are " be like Mommy toys" in our toy isles. Dancing is not more" unsuitable" than playing with baby dolls. Taking care of babies that are a result of sex is even more sexual than dancing. Good grief, girls walk around pretending they are pregnant and put the baby in their shirts too so they can have a " baby in their belly" just like their mommy did too.

Dancing =\= sex, You associating it with sex is on you, not them. My argument is that you are projecting your thoughts and beliefs onto the kids, not that those thoughts and beliefs are actually real. They are just your projection. The girls dancing isn't actually any of the things you are projecting it to be.
We can agree that it is not appropriate for children to imitate everything that their parents do, right?
If the parents smoke, should we give our children candy cigarettes?
If they drink alcohol, should we give them water with food coloring in a rocks glass?

In countries where sex workers are legal, how early should children be allowed to begin their preparation for this career, and what would such preparation include?
How should children of sex workers imitate their parents while playing?

Some things are adults only.
 
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Girls dancing like women? Sort of like girls cooking like women? Taking care of their dolls like their mothers take care of the babies? Yea, this is just one of the MANY things girls do as a part of growing up as a female in this world. We have like an entire section of toys that are " be like Mommy toys" in our toy isles. Dancing is not more" unsuitable" than playing with baby dolls. Taking care of babies that are a result of sex is even more sexual than dancing. Good grief, girls walk around pretending they are pregnant and put the baby in their shirts too so they can have a " baby in their belly" just like their mommy did too.

Dancing =\= sex, You associating it with sex is on you, not them. My argument is that you are projecting your thoughts and beliefs onto the kids, not that those thoughts and beliefs are actually real. They are just your projection. The girls dancing isn't actually any of the things you are projecting it to be.

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AND THAT IS ALSO CREEPY.

You pointing out that there are other creepy things that society does to girls does not mean that it's ok that those things were all normalized.

Giving little girls easy bake ovens and dolls that shit themselves so they can learn to cook and change diapers at the age of 4 IS ALSO FUCKED UP. The fact that children don't know know any better doesn't mean it's right.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Giving little girls easy bake ovens and dolls that shit themselves so they can learn to cook and change diapers at the age of 4 IS ALSO FUCKED UP. The fact that children don't know know any better doesn't mean it's right.
Well, you see girls have a very specific roll to play in society so they need to be trained for that roll from early childhood. Boys can be whatever they want and girls are there to take care of the boys and the children. *leave it to beaver theme plays*
 
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AND THAT IS ALSO CREEPY.

You pointing out that there are other creepy things that society does to girls does not mean that it's ok that those things were all normalized.

Giving little girls easy bake ovens and dolls that shit themselves so they can learn to cook and change diapers at the age of 4 IS ALSO FUCKED UP. The fact that children don't know know any better doesn't mean it's right.
NONE OF THAT IS CREEPY. You just think it is. And here is another thing, I was in gymnastics, ballet, dance team cheerleading.. None of that was sexual. It is all in your head. As a woman, I have a VERY high sex drive, much higher than most, however, dancing has ZERO to do with it. In fact, dancing doesn't make me want sex, it makes me want a shower afterwards to get the sweat off and then cool down a bit before I want anything to do with sex.

The reality is it is only men projecting that onto girls that is the problem. It is what men think about it so it is men's problem to solve, nothing to do with the actual girls here. There is nothing actually creepy about girls learning about how to live in this world and being women isn't messed up. I was cooking ACTUAL meals at 4 on a real stove. I changed REAL babies diapers as they were my younger brother's and sisters. There was nothing wrong with that either. Me learning how to live in this world gave me many skills, hobbies and a full life. I was never ignorant of how babies were made, I am one of ten children, my parents were always honest with me and I appreciated that. Some of the girls whose families didn't do that wound up pregnant at 14-17 because they had to find out the hard way. Children don't know any better to learn how to cook? DO you realize how ridiculous this sounds? You want to keep children ignorant of the world and incapable of doing anything for themselves? I would feel sorry for kids if you had any, the poor things would have to rely on others to navigate and survive this world.
 

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Well, you see girls have a very specific roll to play in society so they need to be trained for that roll from early childhood. Boys can be whatever they want and girls are there to take care of the boys and the children. *leave it to beaver theme plays*
LOL Little princesses are precious and need to know nothing about life so they can ignorantly be taken advantage of because they have no clue how to survive at all right? I was cooking real meals at 4 and changing real babies diapers because that is what sisters do to help take care of their brothers and sisters. I also learned how to operate power tools a round the age of 7 so that by the time I was in middle school I was a master carpenter as well. Girls can and do a lot more than some seem to think here..
 
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Welp, my points aren't being responded to, and my arguments aren't being engaged with.
I'll take that to mean that I've proven my point, and that a rebuttal cannot be made against them. See you in the next thread!
 

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This is why we should require women to wear burkas, to protect the children from their evil corrupting sexual influence. Its for the children.
To be fair there is a significant difference between children aping sex acts, and forcing women to cover themselves. If Cuties was about a boy dance troupe pretending to jerk each other off we wouldn't be saying men need to wear hats to protect children.
Regardless of personal opinions of Cuties, there are several steps between wanting to protecting children and enslaving women.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
To be fair there is a significant difference between children aping sex acts, and forcing women to cover themselves. If Cuties was about a boy dance troupe pretending to jerk each other off we wouldn't be saying men need to wear hats to protect children.
Regardless of personal opinions of Cuties, there are several steps between wanting to protecting children and enslaving women.
To be fair, guys tend to sexualize literally everything about women.
 

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Welp, my points aren't being responded to, and my arguments aren't being engaged with.
I'll take that to mean that I've proven my point, and that a rebuttal cannot be made against them. See you in the next thread!
I was wondering if this how you thought
 

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We can agree that it is not appropriate for children to imitate everything that their parents do, right?
If the parents smoke, should we give our children candy cigarettes?
If they drink alcohol, should we give them water with food coloring in a rocks glass?

In countries where sex workers are legal, how early should children be allowed to begin their preparation for this career, and what would such preparation include?
How should children of sex workers imitate their parents while playing?

Some things are adults only.
No one should be smoking, my parents didn't do that either, as parents should understand that they are role models for their kids. My parents didn't drink either, but we all enjoyed virgin strawberry daiquiris, Virgin pina coladas, virgin Margaritas, and others. Being honest with your children about sex doesn't mean you train them to be prostitutes now quit being absurd.

I was always taught that sex was a beautiful and wonderful part of life, one of the most enjoyable things we can do. That we take care of our own sexual urges through self gratification and we are told how to do so and encouraged to do so to help keep us from making rash decisions that we may regret after. Sharing something so important in our life with another person is the biggest choice in our life that we can make, because it cannot be taken back afterwards. We need to be absolutely sure that we are making the right choice. We wait until we are deemed an adult to share this very important and special part of ourselves with another person because of how important this decision is for our life because anytime we have sex, there is a possibility of becoming pregnant and we want to be absolutely sure we are sharing this with the right person and that we are ready to take on this responsibility. Not just for ourselves, but for the new life we bring into this world. When a child is born, we have the greatest love in the world for our child and that child will depend on us for everything in this life, that child will forever be a part of us. If we do not have the answers ourselves, how can we provide them to our child? We must put the child first before all things once our child is in this world so before we decide to take on such a enormous responsibility we most prepare ourselves and that takes time. When our elders have deemed us fully prepared, we can then choose to make this decision, but not before then. Doing this before then only means that we will cut short our time to enjoy life without such difficult responsibilities. Before you have a child, you can put yourself and others first, but you will no longer have that freedom once you have a child to care for, when a child comes, this part of your life is gone forever and you begin a new path with your child always coming first, as they will always be a part of your soul.

This is what we were all taught from the beginning, and never told anything negative. It was never weird or bad or something to be ashamed of. We all learned from the beginning, if we wanted to be able to have fun, play with friends and do what we wanted to do, we take care of our own sexual urges as needed and save that heavy responsibility stuff for when we are too old to play and have fun anymore. Women in my culture didn't generally start having kids until they were 22+ years of age. The girls who did at a younger ages usually regretted it because they could no longer have the freedom and fun they had before.

There is nothing dirty or shameful about sex, and we were never taught that there was in the first place. However, we are not even talking about sex here, we are talking about dance, which is completely not related. Children shouldn't be made ignorant of and kept in the dark about life, they should just be informed properly and accurately and be given options.
 
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To be fair there is a significant difference between children aping sex acts, and forcing women to cover themselves. If Cuties was about a boy dance troupe pretending to jerk each other off we wouldn't be saying men need to wear hats to protect children.
Regardless of personal opinions of Cuties, there are several steps between wanting to protecting children and enslaving women.
But the girls weren't doing that either. People keep projecting their own twisted thoughts onto them, not that the girls were actually doing that. Dance and sex are separate.
 

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Not at all. It is 100% there. They literally stripped the girl down to her underwear and throw cold water on her chanting at her making her shiver. THAT is both physical and psychological abuse and grounds to have a child removed from a family. Then they called in an EXORCIST. Oh no, I watched it, it was there and that was beyond wrong in so many ways. The exorcist told them there was nothing wrong with her, but the fact that a parent would humiliate a child like that is unforgivable.
This isn't about bias, that was flat out abusive. I don't even see how anyone could attempt to spin that any other way. It was extremely difficult to watch them do that to a child, even if only acting. That was the most disturbing part of this film and the part that is not suitable for children,
Sorry but you're wrong. Go and read the interviews, the director says it how it is. How it makes you feel is whatever, but this isn't an opinion because there wasn't anything abusive there. The argument over dancing is a ride I'm not taking, but I had to correct you on this. I have spoken.
 

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Sorry but you're wrong. Go and read the interviews, the director says it how it is. How it makes you feel is whatever, but this isn't an opinion because there wasn't anything abusive there. The argument over dancing is a ride I'm not taking, but I had to correct you on this. I have spoken.
Wrong? Watch the movie. It wasn't an opinion. The girl was stripped to her underwear and had cold water thrown on her while she was shivering while they were chanting in some sort of humiliating ritual. That isn't an opinion, it was a fact. There is no " if " it happened It DID happen. ANYONE who has seen the movie has seen that happen. I watched the movie, I don't need to see the interviews because it was there and both me and my man beast here both thought it was seriously messed up to have that in there.

Yea, if a child reported something like that to me as a medical provider, I would be required by law to report it to the state BTW. That isn't an opinion either. CPS would be paying them a visit for sure. The people at the school tying me to the chair and making me read the bible aloud to " get the devil out of me" didn't think that was abuse either. That doesn't change that it definitely was.
 
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You're saying that this is something subconscious, and we can't directly perceive why "representation" matters?
But you are assured that there IS an effect and that it DOES matter, despite not being able to perceive it? Why?

Are you sure you're just not speaking for yourself?
Do you have any evidence that shows why representation is important, other than anecdotes?



How so? What's invalid about my point?
I'm saying that you're, apparently, the only person in the world who can selectively decide what influences you. I'm saying that you are the only one able to determine, with perfect clarity, the exact effect exposure to something will have on you. I'm saying that you're making the mistake of assuming that you are in charge when you are, in fact, nothing but a hodgepodge of cultural messaging and media impressions. That's what I'm saying.


And the point about Mario is invalid because it is made as pure entertainment, with little to no cultural baggage and no subtext. Unlike cuties which was supposed to be a commentary on children and how society encourages them to sexualize themselves.

Edit: And I'm implying that you're a fool who makes unfounded assumptions based on your own personal experiences and misjudges the world because of that foolish worldview.
 

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Did you even watch the film? That didn't even happen. WTH? What are you even on about? No one who has watched it has even suggested such, so I have no idea why you would even suggest that. It is like you accidently watched some Porn instead of the actual movie being discussed here. Nothing even happened there than what happens here in person when they have these events here every other weekend in the Bible Belt (Pre-Pandemic of course)

You really should check out Kaycee rice's work on YouTube, she is one of the best there is, the other girls are really trying to be her at this point.
You mean like the final dance scene where they get on the floor and hump it will moving an arm in an up and down motion? You don't call that a hand job motion?


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Why does that scene go on for so long by the way? Why does it zoom in on their crotches? Why did they direct them to stroke their crotches? Is the whole "Don't objectify women" thing only relevant to adult women? Does that rule suddenly stop working when it's 11 year olds? Also, Lil, you showing me a video of another girl doing this DOESN'T MAKE IT GOOD!

So what? Do you support the whole Sarkeesian shit where "Men saving women is damaging to society because it makes women out to be helpless and Mario is an example of that." But having little girls do sexual dances WON'T cause anything harmful to society? Excuse me?!

Or how bout this scene? You talking about how this scene isn't sexually suggestive?


Pelvic thrusts, zoom ins of their butts and crotches and having them smack each other's asses isn't sexually suggestive? You think encouraging prepubescent girls to do this crap isn't going to lead to problems?
 

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Well, you see girls have a very specific roll to play in society so they need to be trained for that roll from early childhood. Boys can be whatever they want and girls are there to take care of the boys and the children. *leave it to beaver theme plays*
The roll of men is to provide for women in whatever way possible so that the women can have children and nurse them. Then it is the job of both parents to care for those children till they are of age to go out on their own. That is how our species works. We have reached a point where we have advanced past needing to strictly follow these things but they exist for a reason.
 

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You mean like the final dance scene where they get on the floor and hump it will moving an arm in an up and down motion? You don't call that a hand job motion?


1:22

Why does that scene go on for so long by the way? Why does it zoom in on their crotches? Why did they direct them to stroke their crotches? Is the whole "Don't objectify women" thing only relevant to adult women? Does that rule suddenly stop working when it's 11 year olds? Also, Lil, you showing me a video of another girl doing this DOESN'T MAKE IT GOOD!

So what? Do you support the whole Sarkeesian shit where "Men saving women is damaging to society because it makes women out to be helpless and Mario is an example of that." But having little girls do sexual dances WON'T cause anything harmful to society? Excuse me?!

Or how bout this scene? You talking about how this scene isn't sexually suggestive?


Pelvic thrusts, zoom ins of their butts and crotches and having them smack each other's asses isn't sexually suggestive? You think encouraging prepubescent girls to do this crap isn't going to lead to problems?
No, that was not a hand job motion, what Penis is small enough to fit into a closed Fist? ROFL. They were pounding their fists on the floor. You know that is a well known move that both males and females do in dance right? LMAO you thought that was a hand job. Too funny.

The other video DOES MAKE it good, she is one of the best hip hop dancers in existence BTW. OMG girls have body parts, is that news to you or something? Hurry go put a burka on them before you go blind right?

I already stated I didn't agree with the way it was filmed in that they are intentionally trying to make it look "sinful" in order to justify their religious persecution of dancing here. What the girls are actually doing isn't any different than most other hip hop groups. Girls have no reason to be ashamed of their bodies or for being girls. Using camera shots to attempt to demonize dancing doesn't suddenly make dancing wrong. LOL

I also do not see anything wrong with how any of these girls are dancing either:
In fact checking out Kaycee's work may help you understand what this is actually about for these girls. They don't need you to police how they choose express themselves for them, they seem to be just fine without your input.
 
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