Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"

[SilentPony]

The Tyler county DA is a former actor/model named Lucas Babin, and it looks like he's up for re-election this year, so this is probably a stunt to improve his numbers and give him ad talking points about protecting French Islamic immigrants or something.

 

[Houseman]

Yea, and " Our Values" are also to not impose your beliefs upon to others.

You're right, it's to impose "our" beliefs upon others and to make them conform, or else. It's a team effort.
That's why you can't walk around nude in the mall.

 

[lil devils x]

You're right, it's to impose "our" beliefs upon others and to make them conform, or else. It's a team effort.
That's why you can't walk around nude in the mall.

It Obviously isn't " out beliefs" when there are millions of people who are involved with this and generations of dancers and a huge support community. They wouldn't be able to have as many of these events if it wasn't popular. No one is nude here, and I was a swimsuit model AT THE MALL before I was even 18. The mall literally has in store teen and child swimsuit models..

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

WHO watches them? Are you serious? Talent scouts, their competition, girls learning from one another, current and former gymnasts and dancers, their millions of girl fans all across the world.. This is a die hard hobby just like your hobbies are. The fact you even think that in the first place is messed up tbh. The girls should not be policed because of what some messed up men think. Police the men doing that, not the girls. It is not the girl's problem to fix here, it is theirs. The girls shouldn't be punished and be told they suddenly have to take " their offensive material down" when it isn't offensive in the first place. We have had our competitions and performances televised forever, creeps can be the ones who are dealt with, not take this away from the girls who have worked hard to be able to do this in the first place. You have no idea how crushing it would be to these girls to know that people were even considering taking this away from them. They deserve to be given the credit they have earned for their hard work here, and not be told " to put that away, daddy has a dirty mind dear". What sort of BS is this? Seriously, that mindset can F right off.

You asking " who watches this" is like someone asking "Who watches" football, soccer or any other sport.. The girls who enjoy watching this and doing it are who watch this. For us, it was no different than people playing Football. Girls have their own sports they enjoy and suddenly guys want to take that away from us as well. You do realize how messed up it is that we are even having this discussion in the first place? Like what " girls are allowed and not allowed to do" is even up for debate here? Seriously?

Please point out I my post where I singled out "girls" as being the problem, or where I said that girls need to be covered up.

I said that children's competitions shouldn't be televised and I stand by that. I never said that girls competitions shouldn't be televised, nor did I say that girls should be covered up or prevented from participating in competitions at all.

Also, I really rather doubt that an 11 year old girl has or should have millions of fans all over the world, and if they do it's messed up for other reasons. No child should have that much pressure to perform put on them, it tends to lead to some pretty messed up lives and expectations. Most child stars and actors don't end up in great places mentally.

 

[Houseman]

The mall literally has in store teen and child swimsuit models..

Why?
Can't people just try on the swimsuits themselves to see how they look? Can't stores just use a mannequin?
Was this just one "fashion" event or an everyday thing?

Or was a this kind of "booth babe" thing where girls in swimsuits sell things other than what they're wearing?

 

[lil devils x]

Please point out I my post where I singled out "girls" as being the problem, or where I said that girls need to be covered up.

I said that children's competitions shouldn't be televised and I stand by that. I never said that girls competitions shouldn't be televised, nor did I say that girls should be covered up or prevented from participating in competitions at all.

Also, I really rather doubt that an 11 year old girl has or should have millions of fans all over the world, and if they do it's messed up for other reasons. No child should have that much pressure to perform put on them, it tends to lead to some pretty messed up lives and expectations. Most child stars and actors don't end up in great places mentally.

They need to be televised if they have any hope of being noticed. Kaycee, for example, wouldn't have been able to get that Music Video Gig, perform live on Ellen, World of Dance and the other many times she has appeared on television . By doing so she now teaches other girls how to dance as well, she would not have been able to do so otherwise. And yea, some of these kids actually do have millions of fans here, and why do you think it is your job or anyone else's to hold them back from what they want to do? Why clip their wings?..

https://forums.escapistmagazine.com...grand-jury-over-cuties.1068/page-2#post-48288

We should be giving these girls all the resources they need to flourish and succeed, not trying to hide them away and force them to be someone else. Taking away their ability to showcase their talent and share and learn from one another is wrong. They have done nothing wrong to be punished like that. You are punishing them when they haven't even done anything to be punished for. Whether or not you realize it, you are punishing them for no apparent reason and yes, they will see exactly that way. Saying they cannot be on TV or movies and they should be hidden, shouldn't that really be up to them? The girls certainly do not feel that way. You're not doing this for their benefit, you are doing it because you think you should be able to decide for them what it appropriate and what is not.

Why is it " messed up" for people to appreciate her talents? I don't hear people clamoring to silence and hide away other child prodigy's. You are assuming adults are the one's pressuring them, that was the point of the movie was to show it was the adults pressuring them NOT to do it, The girls themselves want to dance, they aren't being forced to here. The abuse is from those trying to stop them.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Is it reasonable to assume that despite good, or atleast unharmful intentions, the director failed, and made a movie that can be as attractive to creeps as those little beauty pageant contests?

Apparently not.

Of all the hills for Lil to die on, it's little girls being directed to act like they're giving blowjobs and handjobs.

 

[lil devils x]

Apparently not.

Of all the hills for Lil to die on, it's little girls being directed to act like they're giving blowjobs and handjobs.

Did you even watch the film? That didn't even happen. WTH? What are you even on about? No one who has watched it has even suggested such, so I have no idea why you would even suggest that. It is like you accidently watched some Porn instead of the actual movie being discussed here. Nothing even happened there than what happens here in person when they have these events here every other weekend in the Bible Belt (Pre-Pandemic of course)

You really should check out Kaycee rice's work on YouTube, she is one of the best there is, the other girls are really trying to be her at this point.

 

[Houseman]

They need to be televised if they have any hope of being noticed. Kaycee, for example, wouldn't have been able to get that Music Video Gig, perform live on Ellen, World of Dance and the other many times she has appeared on television . By doing so she now teaches other girls how to dance as well, she would not have been able to do so otherwise. And yea, some of these kids actually do have millions of fans here, and why do you think it is your job or anyone else's to hold them back from what they want to do? Why clip their wings?..

https://forums.escapistmagazine.com...grand-jury-over-cuties.1068/page-2#post-48288

We should be giving these girls all the resources they need to flourish and succeed, not trying to hide them away and force them to be someone else. Taking away their ability to showcase their talent and share and learn from one another is wrong. They have done nothing wrong to be punished like that. You are punishing them when they haven't even done anything to be punished for. Whether or not you realize it, you are punishing them for no apparent reason and yes, they will see exactly that way. Saying they cannot be on TV or movies and they should be hidden, shouldn't that really be up to them? The girls certainly do not feel that way. Your not doing this for their benefit, you are doing it because you think you should be able to decide for them what it appropriate and what is not.

Why is it " messed up" for people to appreciate her talents? I don't hear people clamoring to silence and hide away other child prodigy's.

You might agree that we would be right to forbid Kaycee, or anyone else, from dancing naked, or rather, if they want to do that, they have to do that in private and not record it.

We already set rules. We, as a society, have drawn a line. We DO decide what is appropriate and what is not, but "we'll know it when we see it".

How little can she wear before it goes over that line? Pasties? Underwear?
How provocative can a dance move be before it is banned?

I'd say that a society would do well to keep a close eye on these things so that the line isn't crossed.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

They need to be televised if they have any hope of being noticed. Kaycee, for example, wouldn't have been able to get that Music Video Gig, perform live on Ellen, World of Dance and the other many times she has appeared on television . By doing so she now teaches other girls how to dance as well, she would not have been able to do so otherwise. And yea, some of these kids actually do have millions of fans here, and why do you think it is your job or anyone else's to hold them back from what they want to do? Why clip their wings?..

https://forums.escapistmagazine.com...grand-jury-over-cuties.1068/page-2#post-48288

We should be giving these girls all the resources they need to flourish and succeed, not trying to hide them away and force them to be someone else. Taking away their ability to showcase their talent and share and learn from one another is wrong. They have done nothing wrong to be punished like that. You are punishing them when they haven't even done anything to be punished for. Whether or not you realize it, you are punishing them for no apparent reason and yes, they will see exactly that way. Saying they cannot be on TV or movies and they should be hidden, shouldn't that really be up to them? The girls certainly do not feel that way. You're not doing this for their benefit, you are doing it because you think you should be able to decide for them what it appropriate and what is not.

Why is it " messed up" for people to appreciate her talents? I don't hear people clamoring to silence and hide away other child prodigy's. You are assuming adults are the one's pressuring them, that was the point of the movie was to show it was the adults pressuring them NOT to do it, The girls themselves want to dance, they aren't being forced to here. The abuse is from those trying to stop them.

We should help children publicly debase themselves so that they can get the attention of Hollywood elites and have a shot of getting into Hollywood productions, which are well known for exploiting children and where pedophilia is an open secret.

That's your argument for why this is ok and should be supported.

 

[lil devils x]

You might agree that we would be right to forbid Kaycee, or anyone else, from dancing naked, or rather, if they want to do that, they have to do that in private and not record it.

We already set rules. We, as a society, have drawn a line. We DO decide what is appropriate and what is not, but "we'll know it when we see it".

How little can she wear before it goes over that line? Pasties? Underwear?
How provocative can a dance move be before it is banned?

I'd say that a society would do well to keep a close eye on these things so that the line isn't crossed.

No one is naked. We already set the rules, that is why this is rated G and no reason for it not to be. "Society" should worry more about policing the creeps that target children, like especially in their churches and schools and let these girls be. They are not the one's hurting anyone here. The modesty police can mind their own business.

 

[McElroy]

There's also the issue of these girls now living in a world where this movie exists and people knowing they are in it, and the effect it'll have on them. And that's not regarding the heavy negatives reactions, but just the exposure in general. Even movies that are received very positively can have a very negative effect on the child that stars in it. Like Linda Blair in The Exorcist. And should kids be put in a situation where they run that risk?

I think that's too much reaching and too many hypotheticals. Moreover the reactions are overblown in a way they couldn't have predicted in advance.

The parts that children shouldn't be watching is the physical and emotional religious abuse by her family

Amy's mother and Aunt do no such thing. That's not even an opinion - they simply don't abuse her in the movie. You too have watched the movie with bias just as strong as the ones out to "cancel" Netflix.

Is it reasonable to assume that despite good, or atleast unharmful intentions, the director failed, and made a movie that can be as attractive to creeps as those little beauty pageant contests?

I don't think so. The "hot" dance scene in the end is 3 minutes and the training scene early in the movie has only a few shots you could call creepy if you really wanted. Amy also wears revealing fashion briefly to school and maybe a few shots scattered through the movie. I just don't think there is enough material to really get anyone excited.

Of all the hills for Lil to die on, it's little girls being directed to act like they're giving blowjobs and handjobs.

Oh yes. Imma go watch that scene again RIGHT NOW!
ah crap it's actually not there

 

[lil devils x]

We should help children publicly debase themselves so that they can get the attention of Hollywood elites and have a shot of getting into Hollywood productions, which are well known for exploiting children and where pedophilia is an open secret.

That's your argument for why this is ok and should be supported.

Oh wow, you really went there didn't you? These girls are not degrading themselves, and why would you even make such a disgusting accusation in the first place? That isn't my argument at all. My argument is that this is no way degrading to them and you're pretty screwed up for suggesting it is. People generally think they are bad asses for their amazing talent and applaud them for their hard work.

You seeing the girls working hard to perform amazing routines as " debasing" is on you, not them. Why is it YOU view these girls in this way? Don't put your twisted view upon them as there is NOTHING degrading about what these girls are choosing to do here. IF the girls CHOOSE to go into film they can. They can also CHOOSE to go into teaching and other areas as well, like Kaycee has done thus far. It is up to the girls to choose what they want, not you.

 

[lil devils x]

Amy's mother and Aunt do no such thing. That's not even an opinion - they simply don't abuse her in the movie. You too have watched the movie with bias just as strong as the ones out to "cancel" Netflix.

Not at all. It is 100% there. They literally stripped the girl down to her underwear and throw cold water on her chanting at her making her shiver. THAT is both physical and psychological abuse and grounds to have a child removed from a family. Then they called in an EXORCIST. Oh no, I watched it, it was there and that was beyond wrong in so many ways. The exorcist told them there was nothing wrong with her, but the fact that a parent would humiliate a child like that is unforgivable.
This isn't about bias, that was flat out abusive. I don't even see how anyone could attempt to spin that any other way. It was extremely difficult to watch them do that to a child, even if only acting. That was the most disturbing part of this film and the part that is not suitable for children,

 

[Houseman]

No one is naked. We already set the rules, that is why this is rated G and no reason for it not to be. "Society" should worry more about policing the creeps that target children, like especially in their churches and schools and let these girls be. They are not the one's hurting anyone here. The modesty police can mind their own business.

I feel like you're not engaging with the argument that the line between "okay" and "obscene" is being approached.

Given a spectrum of increasingly small upper-body outfits, where should we stop?
- T-shirts
- Crop tops
- Tube Tops
- Bikini tops (string)
- Even smaller bikini tops (micro)
- see-through tops with or without pasties.
- Pasties
- Nothing

Where should the line be drawn?
Participating in this exercise should make my point clear.

 

[lil devils x]

I feel like you're not engaging with the argument that the line between "okay" and "obscene" is being approached.

Given a spectrum of increasingly small upper-body outfits, where should we stop?
- T-shirts
- Crop tops
- Tube Tops
- Bikini tops
- Even smaller bikini tops
- see-through tops with or without pasties.
- Pasties
- Nothing

Where should the line be drawn?
Participating in this exercise should make my point clear.

We already drew the line, we don't need a new one drawn by the modesty police.

 

[Houseman]

We already drew the line, we don't need a new one drawn by the modesty police.

Where did we draw the line?
You aren't participating in the exercise unless you point out where the line is drawn.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Oh wow, you really went there didn't you? These girls are not degrading themselves, and why would you even make such a disgusting accusation in the first place? That isn't my argument at all. My argument is that this is no way degrading to them and your pretty screwed up for suggesting it is. People generally think they are bad asses for their amazing talent and applaud them for their hard work.

You seeing the girls working hard to perform amazing routines as " debasing" is on you, not them. Why is it YOU view these girls in this way? Don't put your twisted view upon them as there is NOTHING degrading about what these girls are choosing to do here. IF the girls CHOOSE to go into film they can. they can also CHOOSE to go into teaching and other areas as well, like Kaycee has done thus far. It is up to the girls to choose what they want, not you.

You refusing to see children aping the sexuality of adult women dancing as creepy and wrong is in itself a problem.

The reason that these children are dancing like that is because that's how adult women dance, but the way that adult women dance is specifically sexual in nature. Children imitating that is bad and harmful.

Just because children don't understand the sexual nature of their dancing doesn't mean that it's ok to show it off, or that it's ok for adults to enjoy watching children dance in provocative ways in revealing outfits.

Your argument that you did worse things as a child, and that worse things were done to you does not make your argument better, it just means that you had a fucked up childhood and perhaps it has colored your view of how little girls are or should be treated, and why a bunch of adult perverts learing at children in skimpy cloths is wrong.

 

[lil devils x]

You refusing to see children aping the sexuality of adult women dancing as creepy and wrong is in itself a problem.

The reason that these children are dancing like that is because that's how adult women dance, but the way that adult women dance is specifically sexual in nature. Children imitating that is bad and harmful.

Just because children don't understand the sexual nature of their dancing doesn't mean that it's ok to show it off, or that it's ok for adults to enjoy watching children dance in provocative ways in revealing outfits.

Your argument that you did worse things as a child, and that worse things were done to you does not make your argument better, it just means that you had a fucked up childhood and perhaps it has colored your view of how little girls are or should be treated, and why a bunch of adult perverts learing at children in skimpy cloths is wrong.

Girls dancing like women? Sort of like girls cooking like women? Taking care of their dolls like their mothers take care of the babies? Yea, this is just one of the MANY things girls do as a part of growing up as a female in this world. We have like an entire section of toys that are " be like Mommy toys" in our toy isles. Dancing is not more" unsuitable" than playing with baby dolls. Taking care of babies that are a result of sex is even more sexual than dancing. Good grief, girls walk around pretending they are pregnant and put the baby in their shirts too so they can have a " baby in their belly" just like their mommy did too.

Dancing =\= sex, You associating it with sex is on you, not them. My argument is that you are projecting your thoughts and beliefs onto the kids, not that those thoughts and beliefs are actually real. They are just your projection. The girls dancing isn't actually any of the things you are projecting it to be.

Remember these?
Pregnant Barbies

 

[Worgen]

You refusing to see children aping the sexuality of adult women dancing as creepy and wrong is in itself a problem.

The reason that these children are dancing like that is because that's how adult women dance, but the way that adult women dance is specifically sexual in nature. Children imitating that is bad and harmful.

Just because children don't understand the sexual nature of their dancing doesn't mean that it's ok to show it off, or that it's ok for adults to enjoy watching children dance in provocative ways in revealing outfits.

Your argument that you did worse things as a child, and that worse things were done to you does not make your argument better, it just means that you had a fucked up childhood and perhaps it has colored your view of how little girls are or should be treated, and why a bunch of adult perverts learing at children in skimpy cloths is wrong.

This is why we should require women to wear burkas, to protect the children from their evil corrupting sexual influence. Its for the children.