Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"

[Dwarvenhobble]

Do you think it was different in the time of Ford, Carnegie, Morgan or Hearst? Because I distinctly remember them successfully banning protest and sending troops in. Anyone who disagreed was jailed. Or vilified in the press. You legit have way more freedom to talk now.

Lastly, it's quite clear you don't understand what Free speech is - it is only about the government. No one else has to listen to you or give you a platform. Google and Facebook don't have to give you any free speech whatsoever. Go to Gab - bastion of ’Free Speech’... But make sure anyone who disagrees with the Right Consesus is harrassed, vilified and threatened right off the platform. What beautiful free speech it is

If you want this to apply to companies who have to totally change Free Speech laws. Because what you are suggesting completely breaks them

I dunno I think we're at a tipping point now on the precipice of a future like Continuum where people don't realise how much is truly lost until it is becoming too late


In the show the downfall truly starts in 2030 -2031 but is implied to have been in the making slowly for years. Considering it was made in 2012 it's worryingly predicted a number of developments over the years.

Anyone for a Halo health Monitor?


Which is a little more advanced than Apple currently does but Apply has got it far enough to get the real life version to be able to detect if you've have a bad fall and I think blood pressure too.

Edit:

Also adding in this.

Your phone provider is a private company should they be allowed to stop you talking to your friend if they set up an algorithm and hear you say a no no word?

Are companies allowed to compel a person to speak? Free speech and other laws applying to the public don't apply to private entities right?

How far do we go with this "Well it only applies to the government doing it". So if Amazon wanted they could drag you into the back room and torture you because it's only governments who aren't allowed to use torture?

Plenty of things do apply to private companies one of which being freedom of religion to greater or lesser extents. They can't fire you based on your religious belief. Free speech should be one of those things that applied unless it's some egregious edge case where some-one is just being a total asshole to customers to try and harm the company or something.

 

[lil devils x]

I dunno I think we're at a tipping point now on the precipice of a future like Continuum where people don't realise how much is truly lost until it is becoming too late


In the show the downfall truly starts in 2030 -2031 but is implied to have been in the making slowly for years. Considering it was made in 2012 it's worryingly predicted a number of developments over the years.

Anyone for a Halo health Monitor?


Which is a little more advanced than Apple currently does but Apply has got it far enough to get the real life version to be able to detect if you've have a bad fall and I think blood pressure too.

Edit:

Also adding in this.

Your phone provider is a private company should they be allowed to stop you talking to your friend if they set up an algorithm and hear you say a no no word?

Are companies allowed to compel a person to speak? Free speech and other laws applying to the public don't apply to private entities right?

How far do we go with this "Well it only applies to the government doing it". So if Amazon wanted they could drag you into the back room and torture you because it's only governments who aren't allowed to use torture?

Plenty of things do apply to private companies one of which being freedom of religion to greater or lesser extents. They can't fire you based on your religious belief. Free speech should be one of those things that applied unless it's some egregious edge case where some-one is just being a total asshole to customers to try and harm the company or something.

You do understand the difference in laws that apply to a public utility don't you? ISP, telephone, electric, water, gas, cable are all utilities and they have different rules and laws apply.

" How far are we going with this?" isn't far at all. Social media, you tube, forums ect, are more like your local pub. They can refuse service and toss you to the curb at will. You don't have free speech inside the pub. Government websites however, are public spaces and they cannot toss you to the curb there. They can legally hold you accountable for any illegal actions but there you should be able to exercise any speech that is covered by freedom of speech.

 

[Trunkage]

It's quite clear that I am talking about the idea of free speech, not the first amendment.

I don't know why, whenever someone mentions free speech, there are always several people waiting in the wings who lunge out and say "THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THE GOVERNMENT, PRIVATE COMPANIES CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT!" while missing the point completely. It gets old after the 68th time.

Becuase your not getting it?

The first amendment means that Google and Facebook are allowed to do what they are doing. Any less is a break of Free Speech

Edit: Also, Free Speech doesnt mean you get a Free Platform. You can go make your own Platform. No one can stop you. It doesnt mean someone else Platform is yours

 

[Gergar12]

Netflix's CEO Reed Hastings is a Communist lemming.

Netflix has a China strategy — but it doesn't involve launching there soon

Netflix is launching a spate of Mandarin-language original shows to tap the millions of people outside of China that speak the language.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Houseman]

The first amendment means that Google and Facebook are allowed to do what they are doing.

When did I argue against that?

Edit: Also, Free Speech doesnt mean you get a Free Platform. You can go make your own Platform. No one can stop you. It doesnt mean someone else Platform is yours

Yeah that has worked out great.

Or you get people maliciously uploading CP and then using that as evidence to get it taken down, like what happened to 8chan.

But yeah, other than people resorting to illegal methods and every support structure you rely on decides they disagree with your speech and drops you, you're totally free to make your own. Just like how Russia is totally a democracy and Putin would gladly relinquish power if only his political opponents can stop getting poisoned.

 

[lil devils x]

Netflix's CEO Reed Hastings is a Communist lemming.

Netflix has a China strategy — but it doesn't involve launching there soon

Netflix is launching a spate of Mandarin-language original shows to tap the millions of people outside of China that speak the language.

www.cnbc.com

What? That says Netflix Isn't going to China, they are just selling them some content. How is this any different than everything else the US sells to China? Still better than Trump and his family having their crap made in China while hurting American businesses and farms through his actions.

I thought the entire premise of Trump's trade was was for China to buy more stuff?

 

[Gergar12]

"Instead, it partnered with iQiyi, a streaming service which is majority-owned by Chinese search giant Baidu. iQiyi is one of China’s largest streaming platforms. In 2017, Netflix agreed to license some of its original content to iQiyi to access the Chinese market"

Baidu is an arm of the CCP.

I am in favor of containment.

 

[lil devils x]

"Instead, it partnered with iQiyi, a streaming service which is majority-owned by Chinese search giant Baidu. iQiyi is one of China’s largest streaming platforms. In 2017, Netflix agreed to license some of its original content to iQiyi to access the Chinese market"

Baidu is an arm of the CCP.

I am in favor of containment.

Still, that is just selling some stuff to China. US sells transportation equipment, Computers, oil and gas and soybeans to them as well. How is this any different? This is just adding Television and movies to the list.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

You do understand the difference in laws that apply to a public utility don't you? ISP, telephone, electric, water, gas, cable are all utilities and they have different rules and laws apply.

" How far are we going with this?" isn't far at all. Social media, you tube, forums ect, are more like your local pub. They can refuse service and toss you to the curb at will. You don't have free speech inside the pub. Government websites however, are public spaces and they cannot toss you to the curb there. They can legally hold you accountable for any illegal actions but there you should be able to exercise any speech that is covered by freedom of speech.

And what's to say internet firms couldn't become part of that utility?

My local pub won't bar me for what I happened two pubs over when some-one tried to start a fight with me though. It won't try to bar you because it's analysis AI hard you say certain words and ignore the context and decided to throw you out.

It isn't also one of the only pubs around nor does it have theoretically unlimited capacity.

It's a dangerous road to walk down to give corporations more power. It's how for a while Walmart was able to deny staff contraceptives on health insurance and fire those who talked about it or used it. They lost in the ends I can't remember if it fully went through court or they backed down beforehand but the argument was religious freedom applied to corporations would include the freedom for individuals to not subscribe to certain religious thus use contraceptives should they wish to.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Still, that is just selling some stuff to China. US sells transportation equipment, Computers, oil and gas and soybeans to them as well. How is this any different? This is just adding Television and movies to the list.

Let's just say Netflix may start tailoring content to be easier to sell to China.

 

[lil devils x]

And what's to say internet firms couldn't become part of that utility?

My local pub won't bar me for what I happened two pubs over when some-one tried to start a fight with me though. It won't try to bar you because it's analysis AI hard you say certain words and ignore the context and decided to throw you out.

It isn't also one of the only pubs around nor does it have theoretically unlimited capacity.

It's a dangerous road to walk down to give corporations more power. It's how for a while Walmart was able to deny staff contraceptives on health insurance and fire those who talked about it or used it. They lost in the ends I can't remember if it fully went through court or they backed down beforehand but the argument was religious freedom applied to corporations would include the freedom for individuals to not subscribe to certain religious thus use contraceptives should they wish to.

Our local pubs WILL bar you from what happened two pubs over. We do in fact have a local business network where we blacklist troublemakers and send them your photo/ ID copy and tell them what happened or send them the video footage. LOL

Sorta like all the casinos banning troublemakers as well. This is quite common in the US.

You act like you are somehow entitled to use someone else's website, you are not. You can make your own if you like but don't expect private businesses to provide you with a platform, you are not more entitled to do that than some drunk guy is to walk into your home and help himself to your fridge without your permission. It works like that. It is not considered a necessity to be able to access their private sites. They can even shut them down whenever they feel like it and you are not entitled to stop them from doing that either.

See as a private property owner, I can invite everyone in the neighborhood to a party at my house except for you. I can even charge them a cover and pay for a band and still not invite you and there is nothing illegal about that either.

 

[lil devils x]

Let's just say Netflix may start tailoring content to be easier to sell to China.

And? I thought others have been doing this already? We made transport specifically to be used in China as well, this is bad how?

 

[Houseman]

Our local pubs WILL bar you from what happened two pubs over. We do in fact have a local business network where we blacklist troublemakers and send them your photo/ ID copy and tell them what happened or send them the video footage. LOL

Sorta like all the casinos banning troublemakers as well. This is quite common in the US.

You act like you are somehow entitled to use someone else's website, you are not. You can make your own if you like but don't expect private businesses to provide you with a platform, you are not more entitled to do that than some drunk guy is to walk into your home and help himself to your fridge without your permission. It works like that. It is not considered a necessity to be able to access their private sites. They can even shut them down whenever they feel like it and you are not entitled to stop them from doing that either.

You're talking about what people "can" do and are "entitled" to do and whether or not it is "legal".
Most of the things you complain about are legal too, you know that right?

Why should one be entitled to healthcare? Or a roof over their head? Or food and water? Or not to be hated because of the color of their skin?
It's legal for Trump to block a stimulus bill. Democrats are not entitled to a timely negotiation. See?

What is "legal" and what is "moral" are often two different things.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Our local pubs WILL bar you from what happened two pubs over. We do in fact have a local business network where we blacklist troublemakers and send them your photo/ ID copy and tell them what happened or send them the video footage. LOL

Sorta like all the casinos banning troublemakers as well. This is quite common in the US.

You act like you are somehow entitled to use someone else's website, you are not. You can make your own if you like but don't expect private businesses to provide you with a platform, you are not more entitled to do that than some drunk guy is to walk into your home and help himself to your fridge without your permission. It works like that. It is not considered a necessity to be able to access their private sites. They can even shut them down whenever they feel like it and you are not entitled to stop them from doing that either.

Problem with the "Well go make your own" argument is when people do those get targeted various ways too. You know the outside areas of some Apple stores and the around round them is private too now? Not just the store itself so even in what was a public open space that the public can still use because it's privately owned they can just deny you your right to protest outside the store if they wanted?

What happens when it extend further than just a bit round the store and they own the complex? When they offer to take over maintenance of the local town paths?

As I said dangerous precedent.

Especially when you need private server hosting.

When payment processors are becoming private.

When banks are private. (Good luck storing your cash).

I don't feel entitled to use their platform. I do feel entitled to be treated fairly on said platform though if I use it and for other platforms to be allowed to exist for me to choose from rather than people running round with sledgehammers going "Oh go use another platform then if you don't like it" as they try to smash every other platform apart and threaten the technicians who maintain the platforms.

 

[lil devils x]

You're talking about what people "can" do and are "entitled" to do and whether or not it is "legal".
Most of the things you complain about are legal too, you know that right?

Why should one be entitled to healthcare? Or a roof over their head? Or food and water? Or not to be hated because of the color of their skin?
It's legal for Trump to block a stimulus bill. Democrats are not entitled to a timely negotiation. See?

What is "legal" and what is "moral" are often two different things.

Necessary for survival =\= just cause I feel like it. Not hard to figure out.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; "

Necessary for survival is providing for the general welfare of the people. Your welfare is not being provided for if you are dead without it. You are not dead by being kicked off private social media platform or kicked from the local pub, thus not part of your welfare.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

And? I thought others have been doing this already? We made transport specifically to be used in China as well, this is bad how?

How bad could catering to China get?

Well you know how Netflix is known to be "progressive", like very overly "progressive". Yeh no say goodbye to all that.

Acknowledging certain countries exist? Not anymore.

There's been versions of films censored and released in China but few have gone full in yet

 

[lil devils x]

Problem with the "Well go make your own" argument is when people do those get targeted various ways too. You know the outside areas of some Apple stores and the around round them is private too now? Not just the store itself so even in what was a public open space that the public can still use because it's privately owned they can just deny you your right to protest outside the store if they wanted?

What happens when it extend further than just a bit round the store and they own the complex? When they offer to take over maintenance of the local town paths?

As I said dangerous precedent.

Especially when you need private server hosting.

When payment processors are becoming private.

When banks are private. (Good luck storing your cash).

I don't feel entitled to use their platform. I do feel entitled to be treated fairly on said platform though if I use it and for other platforms to be allowed to exist for me to choose from rather than people running round with sledgehammers going "Oh go use another platform then if you don't like it" as they try to smash every other platform apart and threaten the technicians who maintain the platforms.

Not a bad precedent, that precedent was set a long time ago when they allowed people to be tossed from pubs and blacklisted too. You can create your own private server hosting. you can receive checks and money orders without payment processing. You can get checks cashed at check cashing places all over, even some stores these days. You're not making a very good case here. Lots of people create their own websites, I have in the past as well, it is pretty easy tbh. You can host your own private servers as well, we do that all the time for voice servers for MMORPGS,. You act like there is some reason you have to have access to someone else's site when there isn't. It is like the guy getting pissed he was tossed from the pub because he thinks he is entitled to put his business cards on the board, they are not entitled to that either. Freedom of speech =\= freedom from consequence.

 

[lil devils x]

How bad could catering to China get?

Well you know how Netflix is known to be "progressive", like very overly "progressive". Yeh no say goodbye to all that.

Acknowledging certain countries exist? Not anymore.

There's been versions of films censored and released in China but few have gone full in yet

Are they under US sanctions? IS they US trading with them already? Then there isn't a problem here. BTW, I thought selling them stuff is supposed to be better than buying stuff from them like Trump does.
Trump= giving them money.
Netflix = taking their money.
Who is winning here?

 

[Gergar12]

Still, that is just selling some stuff to China. US sells transportation equipment, Computers, oil and gas and soybeans to them as well. How is this any different? This is just adding Television and movies to the list.

Which we shouldn't sell as that just fuels their manufacturing industry.

 

[lil devils x]

Which we shouldn't sell as that just fuels their manufacturing industry.

We sell them oil and gas as well as transportation, machinery, computers and all sorts of things, but we buy much more from them instead. STILL Netflix is doing this right.

Trump= giving them money.
Netflix = taking their money.
Who is winning here?