Poland Bans Abortions (Yes, all of them)

[Iron]

Here are some top google searches

Poland abortion: Top court bans almost all terminations

Poland has some of Europe's strictest laws, but the constitutional court tightens them still further.

www.bbc.com

Pro-choice protesters march in Polish cities amid abortion ban anger

Crowd confronts police outside home of Jarosław Kaczyński, leader of Poland’s ruling party

www.theguardian.com

Poland moves to near-total ban on abortion, sparking protests

Poland's highest court ruled Thursday that abortions due to fetal defects are unconstitutional, moving the country towards a near-total ban on terminations and sparking angry protests in the capital Warsaw.

edition.cnn.com

Protests by feminists (tonight)

 

[MrCalavera]

No it doesn't. Atleast not yet.

To paint a picture, without getting into confusing legalities - in the 90s an act, commonly known as "abortion compromise" was passed in Poland.
The strict law basicly allows for three clauses in which the abortion is legal:

1.When the life or health of the mother can be endangered due to complications.

2.When the fetus is diagnosed with probability of heavy, irreversible dysfunctions.

3.When the pregnancy is a result of rape.

Today, the Constitutional Tribunal passed a verdict that challenges 2nd clause as unconstitutional. In practice it opens a clear path for proceedings in the Sejm, that could make the abortion law even stricter.

Will such law be passed? Honestly, i don't know. They already tried few years ago, which mobilised couple hundred of thousand people(mostly women, obv) to the streets, and no changes were made.
Here's fingers crossed the ruling party will BTFO again.

 

[happyninja42]

BTFO

Bugger the Fuck Off? That's honestly the first time I can recall seeing that acronym, and we don't use bugger much in the US so it's just a guess.

 

[Houseman]

Bugger the Fuck Off? That's honestly the first time I can recall seeing that acronym, and we don't use bugger much in the US so it's just a guess.

I think it's supposed to mean "Blown the **** out", as in being "destroyed" in a competition or argument

 

[MrCalavera]

Bugger the Fuck Off? That's honestly the first time I can recall seeing that acronym, and we don't use bugger much in the US so it's just a guess.

Back The Fuck Out in this case.

 

[Revnak]

Well that’s not great

 

[Agema]

Here's fingers crossed the ruling party will BTFO again.

Quite possibly not.

PiS is a bit like Fidesz in Hungary. Every election they win, the more they rig the game in their favour, and the more they gain confidence and believe they can do what they like.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

No it doesn't. Atleast not yet.

To paint a picture, without getting into confusing legalities - in the 90s an act, commonly known as "abortion compromise" was passed in Poland.
The strict law basicly allows for three clauses in which the abortion is legal:

1.When the life or health of the mother can be endangered due to complications.

2.When the fetus is diagnosed with probability of heavy, irreversible dysfunctions.

3.When the pregnancy is a result of rape.

Today, the Constitutional Tribunal passed a verdict that challenges 2nd clause as unconstitutional. In practice it opens a clear path for proceedings in the Sejm, that could make the abortion law even stricter.

Will such law be passed? Honestly, i don't know. They already tried few years ago, which mobilised couple hundred of thousand people(mostly women, obv) to the streets, and no changes were made.
Here's fingers crossed the ruling party will BTFO again.

How easy is it for them to get it on clause 3 tho? Like how much do they need to do to prove that?

 

[Trunkage]

No it doesn't. Atleast not yet.

To paint a picture, without getting into confusing legalities - in the 90s an act, commonly known as "abortion compromise" was passed in Poland.
The strict law basicly allows for three clauses in which the abortion is legal:

1.When the life or health of the mother can be endangered due to complications.

2.When the fetus is diagnosed with probability of heavy, irreversible dysfunctions.

3.When the pregnancy is a result of rape.

Today, the Constitutional Tribunal passed a verdict that challenges 2nd clause as unconstitutional. In practice it opens a clear path for proceedings in the Sejm, that could make the abortion law even stricter.

Will such law be passed? Honestly, i don't know. They already tried few years ago, which mobilised couple hundred of thousand people(mostly women, obv) to the streets, and no changes were made.
Here's fingers crossed the ruling party will BTFO again.

Didn't Poland just recriminalise Homosexuals in public?

 

[MrCalavera]

Quite possibly not.

PiS is a bit like Fidesz in Hungary. Every election they win, the more they rig the game in their favour, and the more they gain confidence and believe they can do what they like.

I'm not so sure about that.
Yes, they're ideologically similar to Fidesz, but Kaczynski isn't Orban. He doesn't have loyal oligarchs and mostly depends on stacking administration with PiS loyalists.
The ruling coalition recently went through a serious crisis, due to animal rights bill, which was ultimately shelved i think. Furthermore, it's now becoming obvious they wasted time and didn't prepare at all for the 2nd wave of pandemic.
This goverment has a history of acting chaotically, and changing the discourse by throwing in media bombs like this one into lawmaking.
While it does seem like a good time(everyone's preoccupied with The Plague, 3 years til next elections)for a quiet push for more draconian laws... it didn't went quietly at all - protests in every larger town tonight.

How easy is it for them to get it on clause 3 tho? Like how much do they need to do to prove that?

I don't think they'll jump on that anytime soon. Otherwise they'd just do that now. I think the "plan" fundies have is slowly pushing in more and more restrictions. You know, slow cooking the frog etc.

Didn't Poland just recriminalise Homosexuals in public?

No? The ruling party pandered to homophobic orgs, and ran a scaremongering campaign against the "gender ideology"(whatever that means), but i don't know about any laws criminalizing homosexuality as it is.
The problems polish LGBT community is facing are ostracization, and the vulnerability that comes with it, and lack of any progress towards legal protection of queer folk. We don't even have an act covering basic same gender partnerships - the parliamentaryattempts were meek and quickly shot down.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I don't think they'll jump on that anytime soon. Otherwise they'd just do that now. I think the "plan" fundies have is slowly pushing in more and more restrictions. You know, slow cooking the frog etc.

Ah I meant like, how plausible is it for people to actually get an abortion using clause 3

 

[MrCalavera]

Ah I meant like, how plausible is it for people to actually get an abortion using clause 3

Not sure, i'm not a law person, and thankfully no one i know had to deal with that. I think if if a rape was reported, there's a free access to abortion if needed. Of course it might look different in practice.

 

[CM156]

How difficult is it to get a work/residency permit for Poland if you're an American?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Shadyside]

How difficult is it to get a work/residency permit for Poland if you're an American?

Asking for a friend.

Your so called "friend" would just want to be in Poland for not allowing any abortion?

 

[CM156]

Your so called "friend" would just want to be in Poland for not allowing any abortion?

For a variety of reasons, according to this friend.