Children were separated from their parents at the border, US unable to find their parents, are they among those killed who were deported from the US?

[Worgen]

I’d point to Obamacare website. What was the Trump website that failed too? Technology and the US government don’t mix well.

You can't blame them for bad websites. I know its tempting to just say the aca website was garbage but you know what. No one from that time could handle big online rollouts well. MMO companies could barely deal with launch day without massive problems and their life depends on people being able to play. Now we can handle things better but no one could back in the day. I mean we can't even do it with nopn-mmo games that well, remember the diablo 3 launch?

Back to topic, this isn't incompetence, this is deliberate trying to fuck over brown people.

 

[lil devils x]

And people wonder what I've lost all hope that the system can achieve anything remotely good, these people are destroying families, they're violating human rights and what for, exactly?
What exactly is the crime in immigration?
Just looking for a better life because people are losing their jobs and houses because Capitalism is literally leaving them without fucking water to drink, leaving their land unliveable, then they go to another country looking for a better life, but they are treated like second class citizens specifically so that they can be paid less, allowing for negotiating lower wages for all citizens, not just the illegal immigrants, and then the immigrants get blamed for it even though the ones that are screwing over the people are the corporations and the government that helped them criminalise those people, what a joke.

Anyways, fuck Trump making ICE even worse than it already was, I know Obama & Biden are also responsible for this mess, so fuck them too, I hear some of the libs claim to want the same thing as socialists, if that's true I expect you to not remain quiet about the undoubtedly shitty half-measure Biden is most definitely going to try to take if he wins and protest his shitty policies, if you don't stop claiming you actually want to solve the problems, because it's clear that you don't.

Like sorry if I seem like an ass, but this is literally about my people being locked up in literal concentration camps, I have 0 tolerance for this bullshit.

Biden has claimed Obama was wrong on immigration and said that it was a mistake. If Biden wins, I do hope everyone holds him to that. We have to keep in mind though that for Biden to set actual laws in place that cannot be changed at the whim of the next president, he has to get them passed through congress. We need to put an end to this " executive order" BS that allowed for Trump to skirt the laws, though what he was actually doing was against US law and illegal. We need to expect democrats if they take both houses to put measures in place that will prevent that from happening in the future. The " concentration camp" BS needs to end once and for all. It is disgusting that it has gone on as long as it has.

 

[Agema]

Biden has claimed Obama was wrong on immigration and said that it was a mistake. If Biden wins, I do hope everyone holds him to that. We have to keep in mind though that for Biden to set actual laws in place that cannot be changed at the whim of the next president, he has to get them passed through congress. We need to put an end to this " executive order" BS that allowed for Trump to skirt the laws, though what he was actually doing was against US law and illegal. We need to expect democrats if they take both houses to put measures in place that will prevent that from happening in the future. The " concentration camp" BS needs to end once and for all. It is disgusting that it has gone on as long as it has.

First off, disband ICE and reconstitute a brand new service.

The institutional attitude and reputation of the agency is by now almost certainly so hopelessly toxic that it's easier to start again from scratch than try to repair it. The gleeful malevolence of the Trump administration will have utterly compromised it in its outlook from top to bottom, never mind that it probably also staffed with a high proportion of employees who share the administration's hatred of immigrants and joined precisely with that anti-immigrant fervour.

 

[Trunkage]

First off, disband ICE and reconstitute a brand new service.

The institutional attitude and reputation of the agency is by now almost certainly so hopelessly toxic that it's easier to start again from scratch than try to repair it. The gleeful malevolence of the Trump administration will have utterly compromised it in its outlook from top to bottom, never mind that it probably also staffed with a high proportion of employees who share the administration's hatred of immigrants and joined precisely with that anti-immigrant fervour.

I think their current reputation is a feature, not a bug.

Remember the best way to convince people not to immigrate to the US is to show how dangerous it is. Cages, kidnapping, murder, rape. All pluses to achieve this goal

 

[Worgen]

I think their current reputation is a feature, not a bug.

Remember the best way to convince people not to immigrate to the US is to show how dangerous it is. Cages, kidnapping, murder, rape. All pluses to achieve this goal

Thats why we have no crime, once they started cutting off hands no one ever did a crime again.

 

[Iron]

Poor Mexico. It has all of the possibility of being the best and brightest latin american country, yet the CIA persists on fucking it.

 

[lil devils x]

First off, disband ICE and reconstitute a brand new service.

The institutional attitude and reputation of the agency is by now almost certainly so hopelessly toxic that it's easier to start again from scratch than try to repair it. The gleeful malevolence of the Trump administration will have utterly compromised it in its outlook from top to bottom, never mind that it probably also staffed with a high proportion of employees who share the administration's hatred of immigrants and joined precisely with that anti-immigrant fervour.

From my understanding much of our immigration was infiltrated by KKK and other nationalist groups, so I too, think they should replace most everyone tbh. Not just ICE, just throughout the entire process. Trump made the issue so bad, I do not think you can just repair it by replacing a few people here and there. Every departments is likely screwed at this point with a horrific mindset. It is going to take a LOT to sort through that to find people worth keeping. We have had whistleblowers and leaks, so I am not saying they are all irredeemable, but if they agreed to take part in any of this unethical behavior, they should no longer be able to work there at all. They need to hire people who are willing to speak up and refuse unethical orders and refuse to remain silent as a job requirement. From ICE to the people agreeing to deport the people, to the people agreeing to separate the children or allowing them to sleep on the floors to the people processing them.. This was at every level of immigration that now has to be addressed. They all should be held accountable to their conduct under the Trump administration.

I don't think it will all gets sorted out under Biden, as they certainly have their plates full right now, but They need to at least get working on removing these people. Abolishing ICE needs to be just the first step though.

 

[Trunkage]

Poor Mexico. It has all of the possibility of being the best and brightest latin american country, yet the CIA persists on fucking it.

Is this Trump’s version of Mexico? As in he says Mexico but means northern South America?

Just a general f u to all CIA missions everywhere. Stop making things worse

 

[Iron]

Is this Trump’s version of Mexico? As in he says Mexico but means northern South America?

Just a general f u to all CIA missions everywhere. Stop making things worse

I didn't understand you. CIA had operated and is in contact with cartels and drug-runners from central and south America. Mexico is unable to govern some of its provinces because the cartels are too autonomous and dangerous, and supported by US agents. Instead of growing as a nation, people are forced to flee because they can't fit into the corrupt system in Mexico. In some areas you are forced to pay protection, and you can advance socially only through criminal syndicates or petty thievery. Honduras and Guatemala are worse off, at least Mexico has a good core for a successful country.

 

[Trunkage]

I didn't understand you. CIA had operated and is in contact with cartels and drug-runners from central and south America. Mexico is unable to govern some of its provinces because the cartels are too autonomous and dangerous, and supported by US agents. Instead of growing as a nation, people are forced to flee because they can't fit into the corrupt system in Mexico. In some areas you are forced to pay protection, and you can advance socially only through criminal syndicates or petty thievery. Honduras and Guatemala are worse off, at least Mexico has a good core for a successful country.

I was commenting how Trump uses the word Mexicans when he actually means people from the Honduras etc.

 

[Iron]

I was commenting how Trump uses the word Mexicans when he actually means people from the Honduras etc.

Those people are worse off than Mexicans by far. There is next to nothing viable in those countries besides fruit plantations and nice beaches. Yet they don't stop at Mexico and continue to the US, thus nulling their status as refugees as per the UN convention on refugees.

 

[Kae]

Apparently all that's needed are reforms and the system can work as intended.

We can only hope they reform it out of existence.

Indeed.

Biden has claimed Obama was wrong on immigration and said that it was a mistake. If Biden wins, I do hope everyone holds him to that. We have to keep in mind though that for Biden to set actual laws in place that cannot be changed at the whim of the next president, he has to get them passed through congress. We need to put an end to this " executive order" BS that allowed for Trump to skirt the laws, though what he was actually doing was against US law and illegal. We need to expect democrats if they take both houses to put measures in place that will prevent that from happening in the future. The " concentration camp" BS needs to end once and for all. It is disgusting that it has gone on as long as it has.

How very progressive of him to oppose his own policies just when polarisation over how horrible they are is at an all time high, it's almost as if he's doing it more out of political opportunism than actually caring about the issue, but no, he's a Democrat so he must be a good guy.

In order to find a true solution to this problem it's not only ICE and Border Patrol (An organisation that likes to kill Mexicans that didn't even cross the border by the way) that need to be abolished, but also immigrants need to be decriminalised as well as actually taking action over the many crimes, crimes of genocide through starvation and thirst that corporations engage in all the time, because you know killing people to sell coca-cola and beer is definitely perfectly fine, and there's no way the USA will stop this or it's interference of politics in foreign nations, especially not under Biden, and unless these issues are all addressed the problem won't be fixed, it's as you say, laws could be rolled back by future administrations and the problem could get as bad as it currently is again.

Unfortunately it all ties back to the same thing, Capitalism is a shit system that perpetuates these problems, it's a system that requires inequality ,injustice and murder to work, that's why it can't be fixed, ugh just thinking about it makes me wish I was dead, at least that way I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

 

[Iron]

Indeed.

How very progressive of him to oppose his own policies just when polarisation over how horrible they are is at an all time high, it's almost as if he's doing it more out of political opportunism than actually caring about the issue, but no, he's a Democrat so he must be a good guy.

In order to find a true solution to this problem it's not only ICE and Border Patrol (An organisation that likes to kill Mexicans that didn't even cross the border by the way) that need to be abolished, but also immigrants need to be decriminalised as well as actually taking action over the many crimes, crimes of genocide through starvation and thirst that corporations engage in all the time, because you know killing people to sell coca-cola and beer is definitely perfectly fine, and there's no way the USA will stop this or it's interference of politics in foreign nations, especially not under Biden, and unless these issues are all addressed the problem won't be fixed, it's as you say, laws could be rolled back by future administrations and the problem could get as bad as it currently is again.

Unfortunately it all ties back to the same thing, Capitalism is a shit system that perpetuates these problems, it's a system that requires inequality ,injustice and murder to work, that's why it can't be fixed, ugh just thinking about it makes me wish I was dead, at least that way I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

*Capitalism bad*
Get the Mexican President to the US, receive a formal invitation to combat terrorism in Mexico as sanctioned by the UN, move US soldiers in and exterminate organized crime. Mexicans will return home after that. They don't really want to live in the US, they just can't stay in Mexico.

 

[lil devils x]

Indeed.

How very progressive of him to oppose his own policies just when polarization over how horrible they are is at an all time high, it's almost as if he's doing it more out of political opportunism than actually caring about the issue, but no, he's a Democrat so he must be a good guy.

In order to find a true solution to this problem it's not only ICE and Border Patrol (An organization that likes to kill Mexicans that didn't even cross the border by the way) that need to be abolished, but also immigrants need to be decriminalized as well as actually taking action over the many crimes, crimes of genocide through starvation and thirst that corporations engage in all the time, because you know killing people to sell coca-cola and beer is definitely perfectly fine, and there's no way the USA will stop this or it's interference of politics in foreign nations, especially not under Biden, and unless these issues are all addressed the problem won't be fixed, it's as you say, laws could be rolled back by future administrations and the problem could get as bad as it currently is again.

Unfortunately it all ties back to the same thing, Capitalism is a shit system that perpetuates these problems, it's a system that requires inequality ,injustice and murder to work, that's why it can't be fixed, ugh just thinking about it makes me wish I was dead, at least that way I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Here is the problem with calling Obama's policies " Biden's". Obama policy =\= Biden policy. People seem to have a weird idea that the VP and President have the same policies. They often don't all. VP doesn't really get to implement their policies as VP, they are pretty much there as a silent partner that takes over if the other one dies.

I agree about the decriminalization of immigrants 100% and hopefully the taskforce he puts together will do that. I doubt it will happen under Biden, but what he does have planned right now is a hell of a lot better than either Obama or Trump.

While yes much of his plan reverses Trump damage, he also has some new things being brought to the table:

"Biden additionally has pledged to work to make the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, permanent on his first day as president.

His immigration plan notably pushes for further oversight, regulation and instruction of Immigration and Customs Enforcement as well as Customs and Border Protection, saying the agencies must "abide by professional standards" as well as be "held accountable for inhumane treatment," given a series of reported abuses.

As for new policy implementation, Biden says he will "modernize" the nation's immigration infrastructure, vowing, on Day 1, to send legislation to Congress that would offer a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented people in the country. He's also called for a moratorium on deportations during the first 100 days of his administration.

On obtaining visas, Biden says he wants to make both permanent and temporary work visas more accessible.

Biden is additionally proposing several initiatives through the federal government's Task Force on New Americans, aimed at supporting immigrants living in the United States. This task force would create local offices of immigrant affairs and informational hubs throughout the country that would provide resources on accessible health care and education systems as well as employment opportunities."

Trump's And Biden's Plans On Immigration

Compare the presidential candidates' immigration policies, from the border wall to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

www.npr.org

Stopping the current deportations and giving people a path to citizenship is a big start as it is. By focusing his efforts on giving people who are here " illegally" a path to citizenship, he is essentially decriminalizing immigration without flat out saying so.

 

[Agema]

I didn't understand you. CIA had operated and is in contact with cartels and drug-runners from central and south America. Mexico is unable to govern some of its provinces because the cartels are too autonomous and dangerous, and supported by US agents. Instead of growing as a nation, people are forced to flee because they can't fit into the corrupt system in Mexico. In some areas you are forced to pay protection, and you can advance socially only through criminal syndicates or petty thievery. Honduras and Guatemala are worse off, at least Mexico has a good core for a successful country.

Mexico is one of the primary victims of the USA's drug problem. The illegal drugs trade in the USA is estimated to be worth $50 billion, and a huge chunk of that directly pays for organised crime in Mexico, undermining its communities and the state.

 

[Iron]

Mexico is one of the primary victims of the USA's drug problem. The illegal drugs trade in the USA is estimated to be worth $50 billion, and a huge chunk of that directly pays for organised crime in Mexico, undermining its communities and the state.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Kae]

*Capitalism bad*
Get the Mexican President to the US, receive a formal invitation to combat terrorism in Mexico as sanctioned by the UN, move US soldiers in and exterminate organized crime. Mexicans will return home after that. They don't really want to live in the US, they just can't stay in Mexico.

Yes, I am one of the Capitalism = Bad people, I've been pretty public about that

Here is the problem with calling Obama's policies " Biden's". Obama policy =\= Biden policy. People seem to have a weird idea that the VP and President have the same policies. They often don't all. VP doesn't really get to implement their policies as VP, they are pretty much there as a silent partner that takes over if the other one dies.

I agree about the decriminalization of immigrants 100% and hopefully the taskforce he puts together will do that. I doubt it will happen under Biden, but what he does have planned right now is a hell of a lot better than either Obama or Trump.

While yes much of his plan reverses Trump damage, he also has some new things being brought to the table:

"Biden additionally has pledged to work to make the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, permanent on his first day as president.

His immigration plan notably pushes for further oversight, regulation and instruction of Immigration and Customs Enforcement as well as Customs and Border Protection, saying the agencies must "abide by professional standards" as well as be "held accountable for inhumane treatment," given a series of reported abuses.

As for new policy implementation, Biden says he will "modernize" the nation's immigration infrastructure, vowing, on Day 1, to send legislation to Congress that would offer a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented people in the country. He's also called for a moratorium on deportations during the first 100 days of his administration.

On obtaining visas, Biden says he wants to make both permanent and temporary work visas more accessible.

Biden is additionally proposing several initiatives through the federal government's Task Force on New Americans, aimed at supporting immigrants living in the United States. This task force would create local offices of immigrant affairs and informational hubs throughout the country that would provide resources on accessible health care and education systems as well as employment opportunities."

Trump's And Biden's Plans On Immigration

Compare the presidential candidates' immigration policies, from the border wall to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

www.npr.org

Stopping the current deportations and giving people a path to citizenship is a big start as it is. By focusing his efforts on giving people who are here " illegally" a path to citizenship, he is essentially decriminalizing immigration without flat out saying so.

Look I'm not disagreeing, I'm aware that his policies aren't the same but in the end he's just another member of the Elite and therefore can't be trusted, also this solution operates under the assumption that he will win, let's not forget about all the gerrymandering and possible tampering of the postal service that Trump's administration is engaging in, and even then let's say he wins, what will happen if he wins but the majority of the senate and the Supreme Court is Republican, what will happen if he's just straight up lying, what will happen if he actually does succeed but the next president (Which could happen regardless of if they're Democrat or Republican) disagrees and rolls back his policies?

While I do hope he wins and I do hope that he does manage to execute his asylum policies, it doesn't change the fact that this isn't a solution to the problem, and I'm just fucking tired of this charade, this pretending that things are alright, maybe it's easier for you to have faith in the system because you are on the other side of the border, but I've seen enough to know that these people don't give a shit about us, they'd rather make money and amass power than actually serve the people, I don't understand how anyone can still have faith in people, both your government and mine work hand in hand with the cartels, like I've said it's not really in the interest of the system for these problems to actually be fixed.

 

[Gergar12]

I would rather have refugees from Central America than those Russian, and CCP Oligarchs that buy up all the property, and spike propriety prices. Fuck those people.

That said I think the republicans are nuts when it comes to immigration. We need 1 billion Americans to counter China. We should be attracting the best, and brightest, as well as those that can be turned into the best, and brightest as well as their families who will create support systems for their emotional, physical, and mental health.

While China will be relying more upon, whatever artificial means to boost its population, we should be importing other countries' cultures and innovation.

 

[Iron]

I would rather have refugees from Central America than those Russian, and CCP Oligarchs that buy up all the property, and spike propriety prices. Fuck those people.

That said I think the republicans are nuts when it comes to immigration. We need 1 billion Americans to counter China. We should be attracting the best, and brightest, as well as those that can be turned into the best, and brightest as well as their families who will create support systems for their emotional, physical, and mental health.

While China will be relying more upon, whatever artificial means to boost its population, we should be importing other countries' cultures and innovation.

Dude sometimes I can't believe what you're writing.
CCP is poisoning the US with fentanyl the same way it was poisoned with Opium. They're playing the long-game. A larger population is a hinderance when you can't even feed it.

 

[Buyetyen]

*Capitalism bad*
Get the Mexican President to the US, receive a formal invitation to combat terrorism in Mexico as sanctioned by the UN, move US soldiers in and exterminate organized crime. Mexicans will return home after that. They don't really want to live in the US, they just can't stay in Mexico.

So do what the CIA does in other countries but with less subtlety?