Police Union Uses A Black Woman's Son In P.R. Photo After Attacking Her

[Revnak]

Except that isn't really true. There is still the underlying idea of cops and that crime in those communities will be punished by police, not to mention federal authorities. If you want to see areas here that really don't have police presence then look at tribal lands where you do see a good amount of crime that goes unpunished since people can go there, do something and then take off without the tribal authorities being able to catch them and the feds not caring much.

“Actually the ghettos should appreciate their cop overlords because they keep them from killing each other like the animals they are”

 

[Revnak]

What does capitalism have to do with the police?

Literally everything.

-Because the US couldn't invade the North without dragging China and/or Russia into the war.

-Because, ipso facto, the Vietnam War was an open-ended war. The North could never take the South, but the North could never be knocked out of the fight.

I mean, there's multiple reasons. I have no idea what the Vietnam War has to do with this though.

Man, I wonder if similar context exists regarding why the EZLN hasn’t been beaten if their enemies want their land.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The EZLN? Doesn't that have a militia? Isn't it one of a number of groups engaged in conflict against the Mexican government and other cartels? I'm not sure if that's really an argument for police abolition. If anything, it's more of an argument that Mexico's cohesiveness is fragmenting. Which is an argument that can seemingly be applied to the United States as well...

If you want to argue that a citizen's militia is preferable to a police force, then that's an argument I can at least understand, if definitely not agree with. But from what I can tell, the EZLN isn't some citizen's paradise, it's a separatist group.

Zapatistas: Lessons in community self-organisation in Mexico

As the first attempt to abolish police are under way in the US, meet the communities that have been experimenting with self-organisation, such as Zapatistas in Mexico.Español.

www.opendemocracy.net

...seriously?

I'm not trying to be some saviour figure, but how is any of what Lil Devils described funny?

For someone who claims to have a ton of personal experience directly helping others to look at the phrase "organize" and throw up an excuse to be lazy and not help her community, it's laughable. And by her own admission, I should laugh at the absurd.

Orgnaization is the foundation of any community improvement, even shitlibs will admit to that. What I've gathered here is that Devils isn't a person worth listening to, unless you just like a face full of hot air.

 

[Hawki]

Literally everything.

You'd need to elaborate. Police forces, or rough equivalents, have existed well before capitalism (if we defined capitalism as something at emerged around the 16th century from mercantilism). Police forces are operated by the state, while capitalism is an economic system.

Man, I wonder if similar context exists regarding why the EZLN hasn’t been beaten if their enemies want their land.

No. It's not similar.

The US could have crushed North Vietnam if it wanted to - the reason it didn't is because it would drag China and/or Russia into the conflict directly. The Mexican government, on the other hand, is fighting a multi-front war against various groups. The EZLN is just one of them. If, on the other hand, the EZLN was the only group, the government could no doubt crush it.

What I've gathered here is that Devils isn't a person worth listening to, unless you just like a face full of hot air.

I'm listening to a person talk about not wanting to abolish the police, due to having relied on the police, among people who, in Revnak's case, have admitted to never been in a situation to use the police.

I'm in no way suggesting that Devils and me are equivalent. But I've commented before that the people who want to abolish the police tend to be the people who have the least to lose from said abolition. So far, the thread seems to be proving me correct.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I'm listening to a person talk about not wanting to abolish the police, due to having relied on the police, among people who, in Revnak's case, have admitted to never been in a situation to use the police.

I'm in no way suggesting that Devils and me are equivalent. But I've commented before that the people who want to abolish the police tend to be the people who have the least to lose from said abolition.

I think you should be paying more attention, what was stated was that Revnak hasn't relied on the police out of choice, knowing that police makes things worse. Not that he hasn't been in a situation where you would call the police.

Also can't help but notice you skipped over the link to community self organization as a solution to overzealous police posted up there.

 

[Revnak]

You'd need to elaborate. Police forces, or rough equivalents, have existed well before capitalism (if we defined capitalism as something at emerged around the 16th century from mercantilism). Police forces are operated by the state, while capitalism is an economic system.

lol

No. It's not similar.

The US could have crushed North Vietnam if it wanted to - the reason it didn't is because it would drag China and/or Russia into the conflict directly. The Mexican government, on the other hand, is fighting a multi-front war against various groups. The EZLN is just one of them. If, on the other hand, the EZLN was the only group, the government could no doubt crush it.

Have you considered that you might be very wrong?

I'm listening to a person talk about not wanting to abolish the police, due to having relied on the police, among people who, in Revnak's case, have admitted to never been in a situation to use the police.

I have never used the police, I have been in many situations where I could’ve used the police but did not because I hate the police.

 

[lil devils x]

If the US really opposed N. Vietnam why’d they lose?

"America “lost” South Vietnam because it was an artificial construct created in the wake of the French loss of Indochina. Because there never was an “organic” nation of South Vietnam, when the U.S. discontinued to invest military assets into that construct, it eventually ceased to exist.

Had the United States continued to prop up South Vietnamese government with military forces, it is conceivable that the entity could have continued into the 1980s, thus bringing it closer to when the Soviet Union collapsed and most communist nations in the world (China being a notable exception) ceased to exist. However, the American public had grown tired of the loss of American lives and of the war itself, meaning that there’s was no way that U.S. military involvement in the region could continue.

Also, had the United States launched a full-scale military invasion of North Vietnam instead of confining the war to the southern half of the country, the war would have largely ended in the mid- to late 1960s. There would have been some guerrilla actions for years and perhaps some incursions from Laos or Cambodia, but there would have been a unified Vietnam that was noncommunist."

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1) The US really didn't support the war in the first place.
2) They were not trying to occupy and develop the area long term.
3)Lack of resources.
4)Ignorant, stupid strategic failures in terms of addressing style of warfare and tactics used.

This has Nothing to do with how Zeta's crushed most of Mexico, or how easy it would be for gangs/ cartels, militias to be extremely effective taking US cities.
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[lil devils x]

lol


Have you considered that you might be very wrong?


I have never used the police, I have been in many situations where I could’ve used the police but did not because I hate the police.

Yea, so like if a group of men come to your house and rape you, you just dust yourself off and say "oh well, I am fine until they come back tomorrow and go on about your day."

 

[Kae]

No, I really didn't. He stated that zetas took a town they wanted. Politicians " talking" but not exterminating the people there shows they don't care as much as you think they do. When they really want something, they just take it and dig another mass grave like Zetas did for like 12 states in Mexico. Talking =\= doing. When they want to actually do it, the locals get crushed.

Maybe you're just really dumb, because it's not just talking Lil' there's a war going on, there has been for all 26 years of EZLN existence, there wouldn't be a war if the territory was unimportant, the cartels would have no reason to engage in combat with EZLN if the territory was unimportant, rather than making a good point you're just arguing that this example doesn't work because it's not important, what a load of bullshit.

And to address your other point, EZLN is a very small faction with very little outside support, the Mexican government has a lot of allies and power and the Zetas are being funded by the US army or at least they appear to be since they have mostly American weaponry, this is why I advocate in their favour, they have somehow with very little resources managed to defend their territory as well as feed and provide essential needs for the people within it, with more resources and support they might achieve something worthwhile, as I've said their structure has proven to be successful.

Most countries in the world have capitalism. By that logic, the problems you're describing above should be found worldwide. I'm not going to tell you what the causes are of Mexico's decline, but "capitalism" strikes me as hardly the answer.

It would be if we had ever wanted Capitalism, the Mexican Revolution of 1910 was helmed by Emiliano Zapata & Francisco Villa both of which wanted a stateless society very similar to what EZLN is fighting for right now, in fact EZLN is a combination of Marxist Leninism with the ideals of Emiliano Zapata, so yeah of course we resent this system that was forced upon us by foreign intervention in our revolutionary war.
And Capitalism is the reason for the decline of the entire world, not just México.

Are you living in the EZLN right now?

I'm not, I'm living in the North of the country which coincidentally resembles what Capitalists call "Anarchy" a lot more than the actual anarchic region of the country, tell me Hawki when you were in school did you ever see a girl get kidnapped in the parking lot?
Did you see so many corpses in the street that you became indifferent to the violence?
Have you been in so many shootouts that you are completely indifferent to them and in fact just walk through hoping a stray bullet would kill you?
Have you ever passed out from hunger despite working at a restaurant that is throwing shit-loads of food per day?

I have Hawki, this is what Capitalism gets you, you people just don't realise it because you live in the country that exploits the poor countries, not in the exploited one.

Anyway, fuck this, I'm done for today.

 

[lil devils x]

“Actually the ghettos should appreciate their cop overlords because they keep them from killing each other like the animals they are”

Many of the cops don't come to the ghettos until morning just to collect the bodies. It sucks. My cousin was shot there. I could not go outside without a body guards, and even then I have been thrown to the ground when a van rolls by slow. You hear shooting all night long and just hope a stray bullet doesn't come your way. My other cousin blew up a gang house and went to prison. What a way to live! And you wonder why I do not endorse this BS.

 

[Revnak]

Many of the cops don't come to the ghettos until morning just to collect the bodies. It sucks. My cousin was shot there. I could not go outside without a body guards, and even then I have been thrown to the ground when a van rolls by slow. You hear shooting all night long and just hope a stray bullet doesn't come your way. My other cousin blew up a gang house and went to prison. What a way to live! And you wonder why I do not endorse this BS.

I wanna let you in on a secret, Devils. I don’t have faith in any of your stories at this point and none of the other socialist posters do either.

 

[lil devils x]

Maybe you're just really dumb, because it's not just talking Lil' there's a war going on, there has been for all 26 years of EZLN existence, there wouldn't be a war if the territory was unimportant, the cartels would have no reason to engage in combat with EZLN if the territory was unimportant, rather than making a good point you're just arguing that this example doesn't work because it's not important, what a load of bullshit.

And to address your other point, EZLN is a very small faction with very little outside support, the Mexican government has a lot of allies and power and the Zetas are being funded by the US army or at least they appear to be since they have mostly American weaponry, this is why I advocate in their favour, they have somehow with very little resources managed to defend their territory as well as feed and provide essential needs for the people within it, with more resources and support they might achieve something worthwhile, as I've said their structure has proven to be successful.

It would be if we had ever wanted Capitalism, the Mexican Revolution of 1910 was helmed by Emiliano Zapata & Francisco Villa both of which wanted a stateless society very similar to what EZLN is fighting for right now, in fact EZLN is a combination of Marxist Leninism with the ideals of Emiliano Zapata, so yeah of course we resent this system that was forced upon us by foreign intervention in our revolutionary war.
And Capitalism is the reason for the decline of the entire world, not just México.

I'm not, I'm living in the North of the country which coincidentally resembles what Capitalists call "Anarchy" a lot more than the actual anarchic region of the country, tell me Hawki when you were in school did you ever see a girl get kidnapped in the parking lot?
Did you see so many corpses in the street that you became indifferent to the violence?
Have you been in so many shootouts that you are completely indifferent to them and in fact just walk through hoping a stray bullet would kill you?
Have you ever passed out from hunger despite working at a restaurant that is throwing shit-loads of food per day?

I have Hawki, this is what Capitalism gets you, you people just don't realise it because you live in the country that exploits the poor countries, not in the exploited one.

Anyway, fuck this, I'm done for today.

You said there is a war going on, why haven't they dropped bombs on them yet, like they did Black wall street? I am saying that the people with the power to do so have not chosen to use that sort of force. When they change their minds, it is over. I also have no desire to live in a war zone. When I was in the grove it was shooting all night, you couldn't sleep, it was shooting during the day, it is just all the time and you do not feel safe anywhere, not in your home, or anywhere else. Living like that SUCKS and is no way to live at all. That is dumb here.

 

[lil devils x]

I wanna let you in on a secret, Devils. I have zero faith in any of your stories at this point and none of the other socialist posters do either.

Of course you don't and I don't care if you do or not. Just go hang out in the grove for a while. How about near where the leader of the Zetas lived and then get back to me on how much you like living where cops wont show up.

Scroll down to 2nd definition, not the one the politicians want you to see.

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You talk all this BS and have no idea what you are asking for here.

 

[Revnak]

Of course you don't and I don't care if you do or not. Just go hang out in the grove for a while. How about near where the leader of the Zetas lived and then get back to me on how much you like living where cops wont show up.

To my knowledge, statistically, the cops do show up around the “Zetas” (assuming you are accurately talking about the same entity everyone else is), the Zetas just own them.

 

[lil devils x]

To my knowledge, statistically, the cops do show up around the “Zetas” (assuming you are accurately talking about the same entity everyone else is), the Zetas just own them.

HAHAA! ( laughing about you saying the cops show up) My uncle called the cops all time, that was why they shot my cousin. They were actually trying to shoot my uncle. The gang the leader of the Zetas was involved here before he went to the Zetas attached bull dozer fronts to semis and used it as moving shield to shield them from the bullets when they attacked other gangs and the cops. Yes, they outgun the cops so the cops stopped responding until they felt it was safe to do so. I don't blame them though why would anyone be crazy to go into that?
The cops didn't even show up for hours when my cousin was shot. My uncle drove him to the hospital himself.
Yes I am talking about the same entity. One of their leaders grew up here and calls this home. His family still lives here.

Notorious Zetas leader launched criminal career in Dallas area

Miguel Trevino Morales is the leader of the Zetas, world's most violent gang, accused of ordering or personally carrying out some 2,000 murders. He was arrested Monday by Mexican marines in Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from Texas.

www.wfaa.com

When the criminals outgun the cops, the criminals control the area. It is useless to call the cops at that point and it SUCKS to live in places like that.

 

[Revnak]

HAHAA! My uncle called the cops all time, that was why they shot my cousin. They were actually trying to shoot my uncle. The gang the leader of the Zetas was involved here before he went to the Zetas attached bull dozer fronts to semis and used it as moving shield to shield them from the bullets when they attacked other gangs and the cops. Yes, they outgun the cops so the cops stopped responding until they felt it was safe to do so. I don't blame them though why would anyone be crazy to go into that?
The cops didn't even show up for hours when my cousin was shot. My uncle drove him to the hospital himself.

Yeah I really believe you.
Edit - lol, you searched “narco tanks Dallas” too and that’s how you got that article.

 

[Houseman]

HAHAA! My uncle called the cops all time

I thought your uncle WAS the sheriff, the same uncle that wouldn't do anything after your parents broke your fingers, or was this another uncle?

It is true. My uncle was a Rockwall sheriff remember?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I thought your uncle WAS the sheriff, the same uncle that wouldn't do anything after your parents broke your fingers, or was this another uncle?

Clearly that's a different uncle since Rockwall is nowhere near where Devils (supposedly) lives.

 

[Kae]

You said there is a war going on, why haven't they dropped bombs on them yet, like they did Black wall street? I am saying that the people with the power to do so have not chosen to use that sort of force. When they change their minds, it is over. I also have no desire to live in a war zone. When I was in the grove it was shooting all night, you couldn't sleep, it was shooting during the day, it is just all the time and you do not feel safe anywhere, not in your home, or anywhere else. Living like that SUCKS and is no way to live at all. That is dumb here.

That's how I live now, under capitalism, afraid from the fucking cops, afraid that they'll just stop me and plant a weapon or dope on me, because that's what they do to people in my neighborhood

And let me explain why no bombs, it's pretty simple, there are actually, it'd mean large scale war, most of the people under EZLN control are nothing but farmers, there's no way the Mexican people would stand for that and would likely escalate into another revolution, likely one where the people are more open to cooperation with the cartels to get rid of this regime that we already hate,

I'll leave you with some food for thought, if there was no money to be earned and drugs weren't illegal, what reason would there be for the Cartels to exist?

 

[Houseman]

Clearly that's a different uncle since Rockwall is nowhere near where Devils (supposedly) lives.

Okay then she had at least 2 uncles that were both sheriffs, one is the "rockwall" one, and the other is the "local sheriff"

FYI I ran away to a neighbors home when I was 12 and called the police on my parents when they broke my fingers. I learned real quick to never do that again. The cops brought me home and told my dad to " put bars on the window next time so she doesn't climb out" and he left. My uncle WAS the local sheriff FYI