Sadly, all the other problems don't stop because of a global pandemic, and thus we still have to deal with them to some degree. Personally I think this is the time we need to be more vigilant so that things like this don't slip under the radar because of things like covid.
Trump Administration Seeks To Fast Track Executions and Bring Back Firing Squads Before Biden's Inauguration
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I post on a laptop mostly, so sometimes when I type my thumb accidently hits "Post Reply". I edited in my last feelings
My point is that this doesn't benefit the American people in anyway. We as a people will not benefit from a quicker execution rate or that we have firing squads.
To have any amount of these people who were executed but were likely innocent means that we need to take our time as long as possible to make damn sure we're right when we're taking a life.
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Or, you know... just not kill people.
I agree. As I said multiple times, I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I'm not a fan of real world violence in any capacity, and consider myself a fairly devout pacifist, as I've never had any situation in my life that was improved by inserting violence into it. And the times violence was done to me, escalating it wouldn't make anything better.My point is that this doesn't benefit the American people in anyway. We as a people will not benefit from a quicker execution rate or that we have firing squads.
To have any amount of these people who were executed but were likely innocent means that we need to take our time as long as possible to make damn sure we're right when we're taking a life.
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Or, you know... just not kill people.
So in my ideal world, we wouldn't have it at all, but we don't live in that world, and so we have to do what we can with what is going on around us. And I can't wave a wand and get the US to decide that killing people is a bad thing, and so it should stop entirely.
But that is a separate issue to my original point of how to execute in a way that isn't painful/torturous to the subject. Which was the point I initially quoted and replied to.
Understood. I'm still of the mind that there are more things in the world that we need our focus to be on. I might be showing my ignorance, but I don't even know what executions are even slated to happen in the next month, or how many have happened all year. I'm going to look it up.
So, apparently it was 15 prisoners.
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I don't wish them or for anyone to suffer. I do not think their lives are meaningless. But I want to see just as much effort from this administration to ease the lives of the suffering and currently dying that might reach up to 300,000 by the end of this year as they have the need to fast track executions via firing squads.
Which, if I may add, seems like the most tyrannical way to kill someone.
I mean, agreed, but if we’re gonna have executions then firing squad is safer, less abusive, and more reliable than basically any other method. It’s also more honest in how it operates and therefore makes it easier to argue against having executions at all. Executing people with absurd contraptions allows people to pretend it’s humane and good murder.
Yeah we're not in a disagreement on that point, but I do find it upsetting, on top of all the other shit going on with this admin, that they are trying to green light fucking firing squads in the last couple of months the orange dictator is in power. I think it's fairly sinister, and not a good sign. Again, yes, there are plenty of other bad signs, but it's still a bad thing in my opinion, and the way it's being done, and when, is suspect as fuck to me.Understood. I'm still of the mind that there are more things in the world that we need our focus to be on. I might be showing my ignorance, but I don't even know what executions are even slated to happen in the next month, or how many have happened all year. I'm going to look it up.
So, apparently it was 15 prisoners.
List of Defendants Executed in 2020 | Death Penalty Information Center
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I don't wish them or for anyone to suffer. I do not think their lives are meaningless. But I want to see just as much effort from this administration to ease the lives of the suffering and currently dying that might reach up to 300,000 by the end of this year as they have the need to fast track executions via firing squads.
Which, if I may add, seems like the most tyrannical way to kill someone.
But, eventually the covid issue will subside, and the US will still be executing people, so while it's not a short term issue, it is a long term one that I think deserves scrutiny.
Is it, really? Non-fatal gunshot wounds are extremely common; the shooter cannot actually see their ultimate target (the heart, the brain, etc). Bone can cause deflection or ricochet.
I'm sure there are painless, odourless gasses that could do the job while somebody is asleep, no?
It was incredibly common for the executioners (if there was multiple) to simply pretend to shot the prisoner. Pressing a button apparently feels like a step removed and easier for executioners to complete.
I recall hearing that only one round in all the guns actually is live, and it's randomly assigned, to allow the shooters the psychological cushion of not knowing if their shot was the actual killing shot.
I kinda hope that they learn to be a better person in prison. But I understand thad US prison are about as good as gulags so learning anything or rehabilitating isnt a priority
I did say "die of old age in prison" not "spend some time in prison".
Being a better person doesn't matter if you're never getting out.
This is pretty sinister and seems like a move anticipating Trump or someone like him getting back in power after Biden, and giving the fascist-worshipping cult that has flocked to Trump a spectacle to get their bloodlust up.
I can totally imagine the trump-rally goers following this like some follow The Grateful Dead or Phish on tour. Live executions of liberals, leftists, anti-fascists and BLM, state by state, bring the kids!
I can totally imagine the trump-rally goers following this like some follow The Grateful Dead or Phish on tour. Live executions of liberals, leftists, anti-fascists and BLM, state by state, bring the kids!
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I think that is giving him too much credit. This is probably more of just one of those things that he thinks will make him look tough on crime.
That might be a you thing. I would hope that being better would matter more
But then, if I did something really wrong, I would hope someone would put me in jail for a fair sentence. Apparently, this is not common
Okay...so @gorfias, I know you have said before that you are worried about a Biden presidency meaning harm coming to you and your family, yet you always seem to prefer Trump. Why? Especially here, with this new bit to add to the puzzle of Trump. He has constantly called those critical of him and his administration as traitors. His DOJ has toyed with the idea of labeling "violent" protests as seditious acts (and just to nip this one in the bud, I very much doubt you want to give the government unilateral power to declare when protests against it has become "violent" enough to justify rounding them up). And now here we have his administration not only trying to make it easier to execute people, but to do it by a goddamn firing squad ("Just like the old days").
The economy numbers went up with Trump in office tho so its all cool, bruh
Well, despite that there’s historically very few examples of failed executions by firing squad, particularly when compared to lethal injection. The concern with odorless gasses is that you’re very capable of hurting people who aren’t the intended victim, the victim can try to refuse to breath it (if you use a gas mask or something), and there’s a very large number of points of failure. With a firing squad there’s a lot of redundancy and the fact that most of the guns are loaded with blanks lowers the typical resistance to firing and makes each individual shooter fairly reliable.
You indirectly just made me think of the summer of my high school year, where my very drunk and stoned friend once said to me "Dude... if you survive an execution attempt, that should be commuted like time served".
I mean, really. The first try didn't take guys. Now it feels even more like straight murder than justice being sought out.