Biden revolving door picks being grossly unethical even before getting in

[Worgen]

Fuck it, I'm going the opposite direction. This will be a much more transparent administration and there will be much less corruption. Depending on how the election in georga goes we will see many more progressive policies that are able to be passed but if republicans win then those will have to be watered down or fought for tooth and nail since republicans love to be obstructionist.

Considering how some people in this thread were sure that Biden would lose the nomination then the election. I think I have a better track record.

Holy fuck, he's not even in office and you people are already trying to throw him in jail. Let the man actually do something corrupt in office.

 

[Agema]

At least Biden's corruption is factual and obvious, meanwhile they had to make up a bunch of shit about Trump to make him seem just as much of a piece of shit.

"Make up"? What alternative universe do you live in that it needed to be made up?

Directing government business and encouraging foreign officials to book into his own properties thus allowing him millions in profit wasn't corrupt? Encouraging foreign governments to launch investigations into his political opponents wasn't corrupt? Squashing legal investigations of foreign banks at the behest of their country's leaders wasn't corrupt? Pardoning people on the basis of them donating to his political party or writing books about how awesome his wasn't corrupt? Handing state jobs to his otherwise inexperienced and unqualified family members wasn't corrupt? Trying to encourage state governments to overrule their voters on no substantial evidence of fraud wasn't corrupt? That thing where lobbyists and major donors to campaigns get favours in return, like subsidies for their firms, and beneficial changes to regulations, and state jobs for themselves and associates that everyone does - Trump did that too, and more than his predecessor. Add to that Trump associates who ended up convicted (Manafort, Stone, etc.), and what are we supposed to say about the ex-Trump staffers caught for all manner of dodgy dealings e.g. Pruitt, Zinke, Price? And finally, we can also actually note Trump stated desire (if largely unfulfilled) to scrap a load of laws and regulations designed to clamp down on potential corruption, such as checks on foreign financing.

I suspect when the final accounting is made, Trump is going to rank amongst the most corrupt presidents postwar.

 

[Generals]

Color me shocked that getting a real politician back into the white house reveals that politicians are corrupt pretty much 99.9% of the time.

At least Biden's corruption is factual and obvious, meanwhile they had to make up a bunch of shit about Trump to make him seem just as much of a piece of shit.

(not that Trump didn't have his own problems, he is a selfish jackass, but you know whatever)

Though if the rumors of Biden actually canceling the federal student loan debt, he'll become my favorite president ever.

I think you have got things upside down. A well oiled politician knows how to keep things grey enough so corruption is not obvious. Donald Trump's corruption was way too obvious. Using his office to fill his golf resorts, blocking the sale of an FBI building out of fear the buyer might compete with one of his hotels, putting his unqualified daughter and son in law in the white house, surrounding himself with obvious crooks and so on. At best you could say with Trump the corruption was just much more transparent and obvious at worse that he was simply that much more corrupt and horrible than other politicians.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Let the man actually do something corrupt in office.

Because corruption only counts when the president does it? So all the shady shit his son has done that funneled cash into his pockets doesn't count because he was only vice-president when it happened?

I mean I just wish once we could have a guy or girl in office, who become president after working on a fucking farm or something mundane for 30 years. Just a normal president who wants to watch football and drink Bud Light on Sundays. Without a bunch of dogshit influence from outside forces fighting each other to line his pocket.

Man wouldn't the world be grand if our leaders were competent? Fucking crazy idea.

 

[CriticalGaming]

At best you could say with Trump the corruption was just much more transparent and obvious at worse that he was simply that much more corrupt and horrible than other politicians.

Wouldn't you rather see the corruption plain in your face, rather that shady shit done other the table and dug up years after the damage has been done.

If everyone is a corrupt piece of shit anyway, at least let me see the slap in the face coming.

 

[Agema]

Because corruption only counts when the president does it? So all the shady shit his son has done that funneled cash into his pockets doesn't count because he was only vice-president when it happened?

Ivanka's Chinese patents (pre trade war)? Kushner's shady financing (Chinese involvement again rumoured) for a bad property deal some say may blow a huge hole in his asset base? To give Don Jr. and Eric their dues, neither has ever accomplished anything of any note they'd be able to extract money from.

Let's all have some leeway: the child of a senior politician has a much better than average chance of being expensively educated, mixing with the social, political and economic elites from a formative age, and that privilege is understandably is going to give them a lot of options that the average citizen doesn't have. And you can absolutely guarantee that there will also be people who will approach these family members with offers and assistance in the full hope that it's going to give them an inroad to get contact with the senior politician. It's a tough ask to make an individual be forced to forgo options because a relative is a politician, as it flies in the face of what we believe in for individual rights and responsibilities.

The other things to bear in mind is that the elites - social, political and economic - are basically all the same bunch of people. They tend to know each other from school, university, golf clubs, black tie charity dos, etc. In practice, it's incredibly hard to separate them because of how much their lives will intersect.

 

[Worgen]

Because corruption only counts when the president does it? So all the shady shit his son has done that funneled cash into his pockets doesn't count because he was only vice-president when it happened?

I mean I just wish once we could have a guy or girl in office, who become president after working on a fucking farm or something mundane for 30 years. Just a normal president who wants to watch football and drink Bud Light on Sundays. Without a bunch of dogshit influence from outside forces fighting each other to line his pocket.

Man wouldn't the world be grand if our leaders were competent? Fucking crazy idea.

So now its guilt by association? Why wouldn't his son try to use his name if he could?

You also just contradicted yourself there. You wanted competence and someone who had just worked on a farm and was just "normal." You know what happens when we get a good honest man in politics, at best you get Carter, who got reamed by Reagan so much so that republicans actively got to see them as having god literally on their side. Its also funny you mention down on the farm and imply rancher since both Reagan and Bush Jr liked to portray themselves as 'cowboys', good hardworking men who do what men do. If you find a candidate that portrays themselves in the way you want, its probably going to be a republican and its certainly going to be a lie.

 

[Eacaraxe]

At best you could say with Trump the corruption was just much more transparent and obvious at worse that he was simply that much more corrupt and horrible than other politicians.

I look at it this way. An arsonist is coming to burn down your house. Who would you rather do it?

An idiot who drives up in a windowless van with their name, home address, social security number, and "ARSONIST" spray painted on the side, who runs around your yard in broad daylight doing some weirdo arsonist ritual war dance and screaming they're going to burn down the house, livestreams it on Facebook, and at the end of the day has absolutely no idea how to burn down a house and stands a 50/50 shot of accidentally setting themselves on fire and burning to death in your front yard, or...

A trained and experienced professional, who knows how to get in, start the fire, get out without leaving evidence or tipping off neighbors, and make it look like an accident to even the most perceptive and ardent investigators and insurance adjusters?

The answer really depends on if the arsonist is there for the purpose of committing insurance fraud, doesn't it?

 

[Generals]

I look at it this way. An arsonist is coming to burn down your house. Who would you rather do it?

An idiot who drives up in a windowless van with their name, home address, social security number, and "ARSONIST" spray painted on the side, who runs around your yard in broad daylight doing some weirdo arsonist ritual war dance and screaming they're going to burn down the house, livestreams it on Facebook, and at the end of the day has absolutely no idea how to burn down a house and stands a 50/50 shot of accidentally setting themselves on fire and burning to death in your front yard, or...

A trained and experienced professional, who knows how to get in, start the fire, get out without leaving evidence or tipping off neighbors, and make it look like an accident to even the most perceptive and ardent investigators and insurance adjusters?

The answer really depends on if the arsonist is there for the purpose of committing insurance fraud, doesn't it?

It depends, here you're assuming Trump is just more obvious about it while there is a very real chance he's also more corrupt. So would I go for the idiot who basically tells me he's going to burn my entire house or the other one who says he's not and who may very well not burn it or burn only a part of it instead of burning it all down?

 

[Eacaraxe]

It depends, here you're assuming Trump is just more obvious about it while there is a very real chance he's also more corrupt.

I'm not assuming anything, I'm going off Trump and his administration's proven track record for being a pack of idiots barely capable of tying their shoes in the morning, whose idiocy has effectively served as a limiting factor on the long-term havoc they can wreak on the country. As compared to Biden's and his incoming administration's decades-long proven history of being competently on the wrong side of every major policy issue to face the country.

Which is what brought us Trump in the first place.

So would I go for the idiot who basically tells me he's going to burn my entire house or the other one who says he's not and who may very well not burn it or burn only a part of it instead of burning it all down?

Biden and his surrogates told you he's not going to burn the country down. As for the people who matter, the donor class...well, this current WestExec ethics controversy and "nothing will fundamentally change" speak for themselves, and are entirely in line with the track records of Biden and other involved parties.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I mean I just wish once we could have a guy or girl in office, who become president after working on a fucking farm or something mundane for 30 years. Just a normal president who wants to watch football and drink Bud Light on Sundays. Without a bunch of dogshit influence from outside forces fighting each other to line his pocket.

Man wouldn't the world be grand if our leaders were competent? Fucking crazy idea.

Your normal person is going to know very little about politics if they've never been in politics before. You might avoid corruption that way, you won't get competence.

Of course, someone not competent and not corrupt is a step up from someone who is not competent but is corrupt ,which we've seen examples of recently.

 

[Trunkage]

I mean I just wish once we could have a guy or girl in office, who become president after working on a fucking farm or something mundane for 30 years. Just a normal president who wants to watch football and drink Bud Light on Sundays. Without a bunch of dogshit influence from outside forces fighting each other to line his pocket.

Man wouldn't the world be grand if our leaders were competent? Fucking crazy idea.

I couldn’t agree more
Also don’t think it’s a possibility, especially for the US. Money talks

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I couldn’t agree more
Also don’t think it’s a possibility, especially for the US. Money talks

Oh hey, how goes your white, European derived society that pollutes the nature around it and subjugates the indigenous population while chasing the almighty dollar? Or do you just want to continue to ***** and moan about America so you don't have to do anything to improve your own country?

 

[Trunkage]

Oh hey, how goes your white, European derived society that pollutes the nature around it and subjugates the indigenous population while chasing the almighty dollar? Or do you just want to continue to ***** and moan about America so you don't have to do anything to improve your own country?

I’m pretty sure I can do both. I’m pretty sure I’ve also criticizes India, China, Britain, France and a Russia in the last month alone. The US gets a special place though because it keeps pretending to be the Leader of the Free World.

 

[SupahEwok]

Oh hey, how goes your white, European derived society that pollutes the nature around it and subjugates the indigenous population while chasing the almighty dollar?

could be better

 

[Trunkage]

could be better

For starters, it would be really cool if my country stopped inspiringTrump on immigration. Also, copied by Bojo.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I’m pretty sure I can do both. I’m pretty sure I’ve also criticizes India, China, Britain, France and a Russia in the last month alone. The US gets a special place though because it keeps pretending to be the Leader of the Free World.

Oh yes, your scathing critique of China from saying, "Man this sucks that they do this, but at leeeeaaaast they aren't America, who are way worse, am I right guys?"

 

[Trunkage]

Oh yes, your scathing critique of China from saying, "Man this sucks that they do this, but at leeeeaaaast they aren't America, who are way worse, am I right guys?"

When the US stops doing rendtions, war crimes and invasions I might change my tune. You beat China on Free Speech. Confuckingratulations. Hasn't stopped a despot trying to steal a presidency

 

[Gordon_4]

Oh hey, how goes your white, European derived society that pollutes the nature around it and subjugates the indigenous population while chasing the almighty dollar? Or do you just want to continue to ***** and moan about America so you don't have to do anything to improve your own country?

Voice from the Heart needs to be in Parliament, the Greens need to go away and let actual scientists direct our environmental policy instead of them or the stupid denial camp currently in government and maybe get some traction on nuclear power, and those are just off the top of my head. Wouldn’t mind someone looking into giving East Timor membership in the Commonwealth and getting some Southern Hemisphere cooperation going too.

Mind you I’d love to see how you and yours would handle Westminster style government. After all the fucking fuss in this election I get the feeling your heads would explode if you experienced the occasional revolving door of Prime Ministers we had. 5 different PMs in seven years with an election only ever being the cause of the change once.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Voice from the Heart needs to be in Parliament, the Greens need to go away and let actual scientists direct our environmental policy instead of them or the stupid denial camp currently in government and maybe get some traction on nuclear power, and those are just off the top of my head. Wouldn’t mind someone looking into giving East Timor membership in the Commonwealth and getting some Southern Hemisphere cooperation going too.

Mind you I’d love to see how you and yours would handle Westminster style government. After all the fucking fuss in this election I get the feeling your heads would explode if you experienced the occasional revolving door of Prime Ministers we had. 5 different PMs in seven years with an election only ever being the cause of the change once.

Oh I have no beef with you. I'm just sick of Trunkage bitching and moaning about America like it's his own personal boogeyman when the track record of his (And your) own country isn't exactly stellar either. Oh yes, YES, feel free to talk about the shit we do, just can the holier than thou 24/7 complaint train.