House and Senate overwhelmingly pass atrocious relief bill. Trump slams it and says he'll veto.

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Shadyside

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The plandemic has shown me how great a career politician has it. They get so much paid vacations, inside trading, and you get to use other peoples money for your own gain. You don't have to even do your job, and you still get paid.
 

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A) Compassion goes both ways. Telling me everyone has a sucky life means you've got no compassion for most people who dont.
Wow that is the dumbest thing I've seen all day. It manages to both mean nothing and still be wrong. Like you would have been less incorrect if you just mashed the keyboard with your forehead but what you typed would have had just as much meaning.
 

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Our former Taoiseach said that 300k was "affordable" housing. 300k would mean you'd need about 30k deposit. You would also need a household income of 85K. The median household income here is 45k. The people who see owning a house as easily achievable are just demonstrably not living in the same world as the majority of people
They did something similar in the UK. "Affordable housing" was designated as something like 80% average local cost. Which is to say, completely unaffordable anywhere expensive, such as most of southeast England.

There were schemes where the idea was to build houses under £100k. It's just the rules were so loosely written that the construction companies built estates of vastly more expensive houses where the average price was multiple times that. I think what happened is that the companies made the argument that they had to build expensive houses to offset the cheap ones so they could make a profit, and then of course they lobbied for the minimum amount of the cheaper ones to be as low as possible (like, 10%) and duly built the bare minimum they were obliged to.
 

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A) Compassion goes both ways. Telling me everyone has a sucky life means you've got no compassion for most people who dont.
I have no idea how you even think that follows. What utter nonsense. If I say most people have two arms, does that mean I have "no compassion" for people who don't?

B) Compassion isnt going to change the economics of too many people living in small geographies.
OK, so you want to shift away from claiming life is all roses, and want to start arguing about why its not?
 

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I have no idea how you even think that follows. What utter nonsense. If I say most people have two arms, does that mean I have "no compassion" for people who don't?
More accurately, it's like if you were to claim most people didn't have two arms, and then accuse me of lacking compassion for disagreeing. That is you disregarding most people's realities just to dump on me.

OK, so you want to shift away from claiming life is all roses, and want to start arguing about why its not?
I didn't claim life is all roses. Life isnt all roses. People work hard and make their lives good. Yet the prevailing sentiment seems to be that life would be all roses if people didn't get in the way of each other, and that's opposite world.
 

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I wish the vaccine would have come out next year, since its presence is making lots of politicians go, "Here's the vaccine, now shut up about the stimulus and get back to work." But they don't understand that lots of small businesses and jobs aren't coming back. The plandemic is accelerating automation and companies are trying to cut down as much people as possible while still being operational. Even when the people find new employment, it will probably be subpar from what they were earning.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
The belief that nothing can be changed and they're all the same is exactly what they want you to think. After all, the more that the people are apathetic, the easier it is for the elites to control the government without those pesky public interfering by voting.
Exactly, its the reason I despise the "both sides" argument so much. All it does is lead to apathy which allows the worst to gain and stay in power. Its actually way easier then people realize to impact politics, but that is part of the "both sides" argument, to make it feel like anything you do won't impact things so you won't do anything.

Like Destiny or not, you have to give him credit for actually getting it together and using his community to canvas in Georgia to help flip the Senate.
 

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Exactly, its the reason I despise the "both sides" argument so much. All it does is lead to apathy which allows the worst to gain and stay in power. Its actually way easier then people realize to impact politics, but that is part of the "both sides" argument, to make it feel like anything you do won't impact things so you won't do anything.

Like Destiny or not, you have to give him credit for actually getting it together and using his community to canvas in Georgia to help flip the Senate.
Bull.

Example.
Join the Nazis! At least they aren't the Communists! Join the Communists! At least they aren't the Nazis!

Is it really so fucking hard to understand that this is not a binary choice?! Saying I don't like the democrats or the republicans is not me saying "Don't do anything" it's me saying "Let's make a third option!". Being forced into thinking there's only two options is the big lie.
 

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Bull.

Example.
Join the Nazis! At least they aren't the Communists! Join the Communists! At least they aren't the Nazis!

Is it really so fucking hard to understand that this is not a binary choice?! Saying I don't like the democrats or the republicans is not me saying "Don't do anything" it's me saying "Let's make a third option!". Being forced into thinking there's only two options is the big lie.
But it is a binary choice, those are the only 2 viable political parties here in the US, at least on the national level. Any third party you want to vote for would be splitting the vote between the party that really represents you and a major party that mostly represents you and gives a better chance of winning to the party that is sure not to represent you. The best way to change this is to organize a voting block for the big party that mostly represents you and guide them to better represent you or change the voting system to make 3rd parties more viable by getting ride of first past the post voting, which more and more states are starting to look at.
 

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The belief that nothing can be changed and they're all the same is exactly what they want you to think. After all, the more that the people are apathetic, the easier it is for the elites to control the government without those pesky public interfering by voting.
And if the public isn't apathetic and votes, they're simply contributing to the exact same system, burying their heads in the sand and pretending they're actually doing something.

The entire U.S. political system is hopelessly beyond broken. Vote Republican? You get screwed. Vote Democrat? You get screwed. Vote Third Party? Your choice has zero chance of actually getting into office so you might as well not vote at all. Be smart enough not to vote? Everybody says you don't have any right to complain.

They have already won. At this point we couldn't even rebel, they'd just carpet bomb a city or two and we'd all just shut up and take it all over again. It's not a belief that nothing can be changed, it's a fact.
 
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They have already won. At this point we couldn't even rebel, they'd just carpet bomb a city or two and we'd all just shut up and take it all over again. It's not a belief that nothing can be changed, it's a fact.
...then why are you even talking about it? To convince us to join your pity party, sit in a circle and chant "woe is me"?
 
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And if the public isn't apathetic and votes, they're simply contributing to the exact same system, burying their heads in the sand and pretending they're actually doing something.

The entire U.S. political system is hopelessly beyond broken. Vote Republican? You get screwed. Vote Democrat? You get screwed. Vote Third Party? Your choice has zero chance of actually getting into office so you might as well not vote at all. Be smart enough not to vote? Everybody says you don't have any right to complain.

They have already won. At this point we couldn't even rebel, they'd just carpet bomb a city or two and we'd all just shut up and take it all over again. It's not a belief that nothing can be changed, it's a fact.
Uhh... "Then perish" i guess?
 

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And if the public isn't apathetic and votes, they're simply contributing to the exact same system, burying their heads in the sand and pretending they're actually doing something.

The entire U.S. political system is hopelessly beyond broken. Vote Republican? You get screwed. Vote Democrat? You get screwed. Vote Third Party? Your choice has zero chance of actually getting into office so you might as well not vote at all. Be smart enough not to vote? Everybody says you don't have any right to complain.

They have already won. At this point we couldn't even rebel, they'd just carpet bomb a city or two and we'd all just shut up and take it all over again. It's not a belief that nothing can be changed, it's a fact.
And that's where I stop. Voting for either of the two parties is a waste, but what isn't is direct action. Organization, mutual aid, making demands and taking action. That's where you go from here.
 
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And if the public isn't apathetic and votes, they're simply contributing to the exact same system, burying their heads in the sand and pretending they're actually doing something.

The entire U.S. political system is hopelessly beyond broken. Vote Republican? You get screwed. Vote Democrat? You get screwed. Vote Third Party? Your choice has zero chance of actually getting into office so you might as well not vote at all. Be smart enough not to vote? Everybody says you don't have any right to complain.

They have already won. At this point we couldn't even rebel, they'd just carpet bomb a city or two and we'd all just shut up and take it all over again. It's not a belief that nothing can be changed, it's a fact.
That's crap. They haven't already won we just need a return to radical thinking and class struggle. They cannot function without us. The fact is capital needs us. We're the ones that actually do the producing. The challenge is that it's going to start with a very small number of people and it's going to seem utterly pointless because what can such a tiny group do? But no successful movement started totally ready to go with all the supporters it needed and got shit done in an afternoon. We tend to forget that things like Indian Independence, Civil Rights, Irish Independence and ending Apartheid in South Africa were not the popular position at the time and we pretend that they were successful because everyone really wanted equality and freedom for all people when really what they wanted was those trouble makers to quiet down. It took very small groups of people a lot of effort and sacrifice to force these changes to be made despite the will of the "silent majority".
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
And if the public isn't apathetic and votes, they're simply contributing to the exact same system, burying their heads in the sand and pretending they're actually doing something.

The entire U.S. political system is hopelessly beyond broken. Vote Republican? You get screwed. Vote Democrat? You get screwed. Vote Third Party? Your choice has zero chance of actually getting into office so you might as well not vote at all. Be smart enough not to vote? Everybody says you don't have any right to complain.

They have already won. At this point we couldn't even rebel, they'd just carpet bomb a city or two and we'd all just shut up and take it all over again. It's not a belief that nothing can be changed, it's a fact.
Thats so doomer that Doom guy tells you to quite dooming.

Here, I found an icon for you.
 

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This bill is more disgusting and outrageous than the 1.8 trillion bill. I have no idea why they reduced the check to 600 dollars. I guess the cronies saw the vaccine is already here so they figured they wouldn't need to pay much to muricans.