House and Senate overwhelmingly pass atrocious relief bill. Trump slams it and says he'll veto.

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How is questioning the psychological motives of one man a conspiracy theory? Who is the conspiracy between? The voices in Trump's head?
"Conspiracy theory" in that it's a fringe theory made on assumption and guesswork, not that it's literally multiple people conspiring together.
 

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That seems like a conspiracy theory. I think it's more likely that Trump wants to help the American people.
"Conspiracy theory" in that it's a fringe theory made on assumption and guesswork, not that it's literally multiple people conspiring together.
That Trump wants to help the American people is a conspiracy theory. Trump's conduct across decades, and as attested by his clinical psychologist niece and many others who know him, would demonstrate his monstrous selfishness and self-regard. He is petty, cruel (as described by his sister), and vindictive. He does not give a shit about any of you.

Let's be clear here: that spending bill he's complaining about was negotiated by his own treasury secretary. If he didn't know what was in it to complain about it long ago, then he's lazy and incompetent. If he did, then this sudden ruckus is a sham. As for the $600, negotiations for how much Americans would get have been going on for long enough and again, he had plenty of time to throw his weight behind a larger amount. Instead, he just threatens to screw with it at the last moment.

He's basically just a prick who is in temperament and competence unfit to be president.
 
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That seems like a conspiracy theory. I think it's more likely that Trump wants to help the American people.
Wait you hold the belief that Trump secretly won the election but that everyone, including members of his party and his most devoted cronies conspired to crown Biden instead. You think the election was stolen and yet this seems like a conspiracy theory to you?
 

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That Trump wants to help the American people is a conspiracy theory. Trump's conduct across decades, and as attested by his clinical psychologist niece and many others who know him, would demonstrate his monstrous selfishness and self-regard. He is petty, cruel (as described by his sister), and vindictive. He does not give a shit about any of you.

Let's be clear here: that spending bill he's complaining about was negotiated by his own treasury secretary. If he didn't know what was in it to complain about it long ago, then he's lazy and incompetent. If he did, then this sudden ruckus is a sham. As for the $600, negotiations for how much Americans would get have been going on for long enough and again, he had plenty of time to throw his weight behind a larger amount. Instead, he just threatens to screw with it at the last moment.

He's basically just a prick who is in temperament and competence unfit to be president.
To be fair, Trump is trying to help the American people in his own way. Emphasis on HIS OWN WAY

I.e. not actually what Americans want. Just what Trump pretends they want... You know, like how slavers thought they were helping slaves by putting them in chains. Trump thinks if he just gives most (like 90%) of the money to rich people, and they will fix the problem. Because only rich people are smart and know how to use money. Poor people are poor because they are stupid.
 

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To be fair, Trump is trying to help the American people in his own way. Emphasis on HIS OWN WAY

I.e. not actually what Americans want. Just what Trump pretends they want... You know, like how slavers thought they were helping slaves by putting them in chains. Trump thinks if he just gives most (like 90%) of the money to rich people, and they will fix the problem. Because only rich people are smart and know how to use money. Poor people are poor because they are stupid.
I'd agree that he is capable of trying to help the American people, it's just that he has no inherent interest in doing so. His thinking does not get beyond "What's in it for me?" In that sense, him doing well by the American people essentially depends on how much his cripplingly pathological insecurity will be temporarily satisfied by immediate gratification of praise, love and admiration.
 

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More accurately, it's like if you were to claim most people didn't have two arms, and then accuse me of lacking compassion for disagreeing. That is you disregarding most people's realities just to dump on me.
You said I should just move when I said most people I graduated with had given up on owning our own home. That's what lacked compassion, not just your general statement about life.

And it did. It's that kind of dismissive & aloof "let them eat cake" rubbish that shows how little interest someone has in actually connecting or understanding somebody else's situation.

I didn't claim life is all roses. Life isnt all roses. People work hard and make their lives good. Yet the prevailing sentiment seems to be that life would be all roses if people didn't get in the way of each other, and that's opposite world.
Except nobody has actually said that, whereas you actually did say that most people are on a "march to prosperity as a rule". You actually made the statement I'm criticising.
 

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You said I should just move when I said most people I graduated with had given up on owning our own home. That's what lacked compassion, not just your general statement about life.

And it did. It's that kind of dismissive & aloof "let them eat cake" rubbish that shows how little interest someone has in actually connecting or understanding somebody else's situation.



Except nobody has actually said that, whereas you actually did say that most people are on a "march to prosperity as a rule". You actually made the statement I'm criticising.
Why are you even arguing this? His stance is that pointing out that a huge number of people are struggling is lacking compassion for people who aren't. How? By pointing that out? Are we inconveniencing the wealthy by saying there's inequality? We're not showing enough sympathy for people who have good lives by saying that others are struggling. It's like a parody of US libertarian bullshit. If someone in Black Mirror delivered that line I would think it was a bit on the nose and unrealistic.
 

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Except nobody has actually said that, whereas you actually did say that most people are on a "march to prosperity as a rule". You actually made the statement I'm criticising.
I made a true statement that you're criticizing with false statements and guilt trips.
 

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Why are you even arguing this? His stance is that pointing out that a huge number of people are struggling is lacking compassion for people who aren't. How? By pointing that out? Are we inconveniencing the wealthy by saying there's inequality? We're not showing enough sympathy for people who have good lives by saying that others are struggling. It's like a parody of US libertarian bullshit. If someone in Black Mirror delivered that line I would think it was a bit on the nose and unrealistic.
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Won't somebody PLEASE think of the rich!!!

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Wait you hold the belief that Trump secretly won the election but that everyone, including members of his party and his most devoted cronies conspired to crown Biden instead. You think the election was stolen and yet this seems like a conspiracy theory to you?
I mean...have you seen Trump? Him being compassionate towards his fellow man does sound incredibly ridiculous.
 
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He was paid for that and/or got free advertising out of it.
No I think he actually wanted it. The sort of wanting it where he said ''Put me in the movie or find another hotel for your film''
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I don't see anyone else helping this scared young boy to find the lobby.

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Trump had a deal where any movie that used one of his buildings had to give him a cameo.