Red State and Blue States

[Shadyside]

Can someone explain to me who is actually responsible for the mass exodus of refugees and companies from blue states who are coming down to Texas and Florida? Is it voters, complacent Dems, or neo liberals who are causing the unbearable high taxes and bad policies against working class families? If the trend continues, then we might see blue states turn red in a decade or two.

 

[Revnak]

Can someone explain to me who is actually responsible for the mass exodus of refugees and companies from blue states who are coming down to Texas and Florida? Is it voters, complacent Dems, or neo liberals who are causing the unbearable high taxes and bad policies against working class families? If the trend continues, then we might see blue states turn red in a decade or two.

Statistically the people moving to Texas are more conservative if memory serves, the shift in Texas is mostly due to Latino families being larger than those of whites.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

"Red States" and "Blue States" are a mythology perpetuated by the electoral college. There are more conservatives living in California than live in Texas.

The main problem with California is that it's
A) run by neoliberals who think private industry can just build an app to solve whatever ails they have at a state level, which is why they solved every problem with 4 tech startups and 7 apps that are missing vowels in their names
and
B) it has way too many fucking people, due in part to A
and
C) because they're almost a caricature of neoliberalism, the only thing they invest money in is private enterprise and cops. Which is why they have to rely so much on prison labor: their budget can't actually handle hiring non-slave labor and it interferes with their ideology

California's just a little ahead of the curve

 

[meiam]

When country/state get locked in by one party/ideology then decision making tend to become more extreme. The classic example is the case where US politician are more worried about challenge in the primary election than the actual election. This drive politician toward the extreme which generally makes for bad policies. So for example California has massive issues with housing and homelessness, these are fairly easy to fix (make it easier to build high density housing and crack down on homeless in popular area) but because those solutions run counter to the ideology of the party that dominate it those solution aren't implemented and the problem gets worse.

Texas, specifically austin, is more competitive electorally (a blue city in a red state) which means there's less clown policy being adopted.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

"Red States" and "Blue States" are a mythology perpetuated by the electoral college. There are more conservatives living in California than live in Texas.

The main problem with California is that it's
A) run by neoliberals who think private industry can just build an app to solve whatever ails they have at a state level, which is why they solved every problem with 4 tech startups and 7 apps that are missing vowels in their names
and
B) it has way too many fucking people, due in part to A
and
C) because they're almost a caricature of neoliberalism, the only thing they invest money in is private enterprise and cops. Which is why they have to rely so much on prison labor: their budget can't actually handle hiring non-slave labor and it interferes with their ideology

California's just a little ahead of the curve

But...but... Reagan was a Neoliberal and conservatives love him.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

But...but... Reagan was a Neoliberal and conservatives love him.

And now you know the sham that is US politics

 

[Baffle]

All I can think of is the Milky Way advert. 'The red state and the blue state had a race ....'

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

But...but... Reagan was a Neoliberal and conservatives love him.

Hypocrisy is the American conservative's stock-in-trade. Do you think Paul Ryan would love Ayn Rand so much if he let himself recognize that she wanted abortion to be legal and despised Ronald Reagan?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

And now you know the sham that is US politics

I'm fully aware, I don't know why people vote for either party. Or why certain people are feel the election was "stolen" because it didn't matter who you voted for.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I'm fully aware, I don't know why people vote for either party. Or why certain people are feel the election was "stolen" because it didn't matter who you voted for.

As long as you know that both sides care most about not making the money sad, there are some distinct differences between the two.

The reason people don't vote third party is due to lack of game at the lower echelons of government, rules that make funding third parties difficult, and the shear math of how our voting works.

Like, the Libertarian Party doesn't go for state reps or mayors or ombudsman, or dogcatcher or whatever. They only throw shots at the big show with zero institutional support, where even if they won they'd get nothing done because they have zero backup in any other part of government (which is good in this particular instance, because US Libertarians are fucking batshit)

The biggest sea change in American politics since I've been voting was the Tea Party, and they ran for every office and did't hesitate to primary incumbents. It was also backed by multiple billionaires, so they had the finances to do that, while progressives tend to share the same $20

 

[Trunkage]

Statistically the people moving to Texas are more conservative if memory serves, the shift in Texas is mostly due to Latino families being larger than those of whites.

No, Latinos are far more likely to be conservative. It's usually white college students who move to Texas that are flipping it to the Dems.

LA usually only holds onto its tech people for a few years before the employees move on. The original tax structure (still in effect in most states) was easily rorted by tech companies who had low levels of employees. The Cali governors had to change the tax laws to be less about income tax and more on corporate to counteract this... which makes companies want to move.

Until Cali gets a more diverse (less tech focused) economy, these taxes will have to stay the way it is

 

[Trunkage]

Also, I've heard local services have been very lax during the pandemic. Eg. Garbage not being picked up

 

[Revnak]

No, Latinos are far more likely to be conservative. It's usually white college students who move to Texas that are flipping it to the Dems.

LA usually only holds onto its tech people for a few years before the employees move on. The original tax structure (still in effect in most states) was easily rorted by tech companies who had low levels of employees. The Cali governors had to change the tax laws to be less about income tax and more on corporate to counteract this... which makes companies want to move.

Until Cali gets a more diverse (less tech focused) economy, these taxes will have to stay the way it is

I believe in the most recent election and with Beto Dems won the “born in Texas” vote, so that’s pretty untrue. We’re only talking blue vs red.