Shooting in Boulder, CO Leaves 10 Dead, Including One Police Officer

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I dont know all your experiences with cops, but you are clearly angry towards them so maybe body language? I dunno, i dunno you.
You mean my body language of sitting perfectly still in my car with hands on the wheel and license and registration visible?

Again, you spoke so certainly before. Now you're waffling. Why?

There are documents in which investigations of the LAPD which did find excess bruality and abuse throughout the department and police then underwent reform, training, policy changes, new regulations, and all sorts of shit to try and clean it up. Police in the 90's were fucking wack.
The cops who did the beating got away with it.

However I believe the institution overall has changed for the better. Shit still happens and we have to try and stop it, but each event leads to more accountability and less future events.
That's very naive.

What do you mean?
Law enforcement is so unaccountable in this country they're actually making us less safe.
 

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I dont know all your experiences with cops, but you are clearly angry towards them so maybe body language? I dunno, i dunno you.



There are documents in which investigations of the LAPD which did find excess bruality and abuse throughout the department and police then underwent reform, training, policy changes, new regulations, and all sorts of shit to try and clean it up. Police in the 90's were fucking wack.

However I believe the institution overall has changed for the better. Shit still happens and we have to try and stop it, but each event leads to more accountability and less future events.



What do you mean?
LA has multiple white supremacist gangs made up of LA County Sherrif’s Deputies. Still.
 

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They ID'd the guy https://wbng.com/2021/03/23/colorado-marks-latest-mass-tragedy-after-10-killed-2/


Looks like a mental health case who didn't receive the obvious care that they needed.
So are you going to tell me why I deserve to be harassed by the cops or are you finally going to admit you spoke about things you didn't understand?
 

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So I'm confused, I've seen some outlets report that the shooter was white, and others than he's middle eastern. I know his name is Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, or at least that's what reported, but that's just a name and no indication of nationality.
And he seems to have been born in the States.
 

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So I'm confused, I've seen some outlets report that the shooter was white, and others than he's middle eastern. I know his name is Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, or at least that's what reported, but that's just a name and no indication of nationality.
And he seems to have been born in the States.
Apparently there are instagram posts with him preaching Allah and that the heathens will burn and shit like that. The account has his exact name, but isn't confirmed to be his yet.
 

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So I'm confused, I've seen some outlets report that the shooter was white, and others than he's middle eastern. I know his name is Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, or at least that's what reported, but that's just a name and no indication of nationality.
And he seems to have been born in the States.
Jumping in early to try and establish a narrative and or just taking twitter idiots at their word and not doing proper reporting because being first with the identity of the shooter gives more clicks than taking the time to be right sometimes.

Gotta try to justify those biases and appease the Chinese shareholders who very much would like you to know how oppressive and racist America is unlike the glorious paradise of the Peoples Republic of China, free from such inequalities and oppression.
 

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The problem is we aren't asking why that's the case IMO. I have more faith in people than thinking that police just go black dude hunting everyday. So I'd like to know the reason why this appears to be the case. Especially since the consequences for abuse of power are becoming more and more prevalent with more and more cameras out in the world.
We are asking why. And a very obvious and likely explanation is right in front of our faces.
 

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Oh well, I guess my white ass brain can never understand. Buh bye.
Let's not condescend, patronize or feign dying on a sword of self-righteousness. If you want to know, then listen to the people who've been raised to anticipate and face the problem.

We don't need to ask "why," because the reason has been clear to US for centuries. It was barely 60 years ago that being black was criminal enough; police enforcing laws that forbid blacks from using certain entrances, drinking from certain water fountains, interacting with whites a certain way, etc. Barely 60 years ago, blacks were subhuman at best having come from being property only a half century earlier. The problem? The legal status of blacks becoming finally equal human beings (Civil Rights) did nothing to change the mindset of the countless thousands who signed up to uphold a law that previously said we were otherwise. Those same people raised their kids to feel the same way, and they their kids.

The problem? I'd be curious to know how many sign up to become a cop to truly uphold the law versus those chasing a power trip, the feeling of being above the law they'd pretend to uphold. I'm reminded of the Stanford Prison experiment. In a nutshell, a psychological experiment wherein students were assigned roles as either prison guards or inmates, and even in the clear simulation, the perception of power by the pseudo-guards led to the abuse of said power to the point the experiment had to be abruptly ended. Goes to show how easily manipulated, malleable and corruptible a human can be, particularly when they stand to gain de facto dominance over another person or group. Now we have these people out there whose literal, actual JOB it is to wield such power, and those same people come from a society that has traditionally marginalized minorities, those whose basest crime will always be not being white.

You want to ask "why?" Nobody wants to know more than us, people of color, people whose first challenge is to legitimize our existence before ever committing any actual, punishable offense. The shrinking violets of decent white people who aren't one of the "bad ones," but don't understand "the problem" don't help. Not by any fault of their own, but by virtue of simply being the silent, relenting voices that green flag the activities of those who would abuse the system and their power to retain some semblance of entitled alpha-ness by not asking "why" while in the same breath defaulting to the authority. "The killed another black guy." "Oh, dear, what did the black guy do?" "Jaywalked." "Well, that IS technically a crime..."

Are all cops bad? No. Proper policing is necessary by most civilized standards; I feel most would agree. Does the institution require much greater and a higher standard of accountability within its policing? Abso-fucking-lutely. We live in a world where active shooters, murderers of dozens of people, are taken into custody and allowed due process while a guy passing off a fake $20 has his neck knelt on for almost 9 MINUTES while he suffocates and inexorably dies. What's the problem? You tell me.
 

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So I'm confused, I've seen some outlets report that the shooter was white, and others than he's middle eastern.
I do not have a confirmed answer to this question, but I might speculate that if I was a witness to a shooting, I might not be able to immediately distinguish between an overweight white guy who works in the fields and an overweight middle eastern guy who sits inside all day.
 
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I do not have a confirmed answer to this question, but I might speculate that if I was a witness to a shooting, I might not be able to immediately distinguish between an overweight white guy who works in the fields and an overweight middle eastern guy who sits inside all day.
And I think there is a problem with assuming identity based entirely on the name. He's clearly Islamic, but that's a religion, not a nation, and maybe some outlets confuse Islamic with Middle Eastern. I watched a CNN video where they said he's a Syrian refugee who came over I think it was 2011 they said, and lived with his older brother. But who knows, even with trusted news outlets which I hold CNN better than most, the story is changing almost by the hour with who and what and why.
 

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I live in Parker, my aunt lives near that King Soopers in Boulder. Man Idk what it is about Colorado, but we are like ground zero for these shootings. A couple years ago a dude in the apartment building next to mine was a Iraq medic that lost his mind. Immolated 5 cops with a full machine gun hed gotten a hold of.

I went and saw Joker on opening day and thought nothing of it, then some creepy dude next to me started laughing at parts that weren't meant to be funny, I actually realized where I am and thought like "oh fuck am I gonna die today?", almost left. When I walked outside there were cops everywhere apparently there was alot of fear that Denver was gonna have another massacre, but nothing came of it. Instead its a king soopers this year.

I don't think people in Colorado have more gun access than most places, but man we got a lot of nutters out here.
 
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I don't think people in Colorado have more gun access than most places, but man we got a lot of nutters out here.
Wasn't Colorado one of the first places to legalize the weed? Maybe that attracted a disproportionate number of people with bad motivations?

Also you guys misspell Supers.
 

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Wasn't Colorado one of the first places to legalize the weed? Maybe that attracted a disproportionate number of people with bad motivations?

Also you guys misspell Supers.
Columbine was because of weed. Sure. The 4/20 date was totally because of weed and not the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday. Ignore all statements made by the killers celebrating Hitler or referencing McVeigh.
 

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Wasn't Colorado one of the first places to legalize the weed? Maybe that attracted a disproportionate number of people with bad motivations?

Also you guys misspell Supers.
By and large, Marijuana is not known to make people crazy violent. Unless you try and take their Doritos away anyway. It can make people already at risk of psychological imbalance develop issues and really make worse existing mental issues like schizophrenia or bipolar. Most stoned people though, will be in their beanbag chairs and have exactly enough motivation and energy to go to the toilet or the fridge.

As for this walking cheese doodle, well, I’m sure he’s got some manifesto somewhere to put an explanation to his actions but it’s hardly likely to be much more than less articulate Twitter rage.
 

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And I think there is a problem with assuming identity based entirely on the name. He's clearly Islamic, but that's a religion, not a nation, and maybe some outlets confuse Islamic with Middle Eastern. I watched a CNN video where they said he's a Syrian refugee who came over I think it was 2011 they said, and lived with his older brother. But who knows, even with trusted news outlets which I hold CNN better than most, the story is changing almost by the hour with who and what and why.
He could perhaps be a convert. It's common for people converting to Islam to adopt an Arabic name (for example, Muhammad Ali famously did). Nor is it unusual for converts to be rather more fervent in their zeal compared to the average believer. Or he is Middle Eastern (descended). Wait and see which.

He killed a bunch of people. Whatever else he is, he is a PoS for sure.
 

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Wasn't Colorado one of the first places to legalize the weed? Maybe that attracted a disproportionate number of people with bad motivations?

Also you guys misspell Supers.
When i think of substances that make people aggresive, i think of the dreaded Devil's Lettuce.

OTOH Colorado(was it Colorado?) did depenalize ALL drugs recently, but i don't think that was the reason here.
 
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By and large, Marijuana is not known to make people crazy violent.
Weed makes people crazy lazy, because it makes you realise how just fucking nice it is to sit there and think about dumb stuff that makes you happy for a bit. To just take a brief moment in time to enjoy peace in a world in which the first thing anyone says after another mass shooting is it's too early to politicise this, you're dishonouring the dead. We need our guns to defend ourselves from mass shooters, it'll definitely work next time.

Violent offenders should be given mandatory weed. Smoke it 'til you're happy, criminal scum!
 
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