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tstorm823 said:
It's not at all about deserving violence. The only violence was pushing him down and cuffing him. Those actions aren't a matter of deserving, they aren't enacting punishment, they are the course of holding someone trying to evade arrest. He was not beaten, not a single hit.
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A horse is ridden over the man. You are being deeply unserious.

And you may say "it's not about deserving violence" now, but a single post ago you made a definite accusation that he launched a lethal attack against the police as a direct justification for why he is put in a situation where he could have died. You didn't deny the potential lethality; you acknowledged it was potentially lethal and you chose to focus on his supposed crime to justify it.

It's incredible that you can make all these assumptions to explain or excuse the actions of the police, while you have no problem assuming the civilian is definitely guilty of something you don't see at all. The double standard is staggering.
 
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tstorm823 said:
You realize that'd be just supporting a different empire, right?

You're saying things that are true and then laughing at them. I think you may be suffering from mania.

It shows there isn't fire there, and then a large column of fire appears, and three people run from where the fire appeared. It is not impossible that he didn't cause that fire, but that is the most probable cause for arrest you'll ever see. I'm sure he'll get his day in court, but the standards for arrest and detainment aren't innocent until proven guilty, and the police saw a wall of fire emerge from where he was on an otherwise cleared street and then him try to flee the scene.

I'm telling you what is there. The rider leans over to the left and swings in front of the horse and hits the ground. Why did he lean so far over as to be able to see the ground in front of the horse if he was aiming at something straight to his left? If his intention was to beat the man on the ground, why did he quit after a single miss? If he was being taken down to get trampled by horses, why did the horses leave the moment he was back on the ground and subdued? Your interpretation of events doesn't make any sense at all.

Open your eyes and see the actual events. You want to see police brutality because you see the police in the US (and anyone you can rationalize as a right wing force) as the bad guy, and that helps you be the good guy in your own mind, and it's preventing you from actually using your own two eyes. He was not trampled by horses and he was not beaten with sticks by police that had sticks and horses surrounding him. Why are you convinced it was their intention to trample him with horses and beat him with sticks?
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I fucking hate you so much.
 
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You said they ain't.
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The only person worried about Snow White not being White was you. YOU said they weren't. No one else here is concerned

THEN you brought in a totally different definition of White with the Census graph and pretended it was the same definition

I provided four different definitions of White. Because I know that there are differences in opinions and I'm not trying to pass one definition of White as another to score political points like you
 
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Every single one of China's allies, minus North Korea, is being checkmated by the US, and Co. Russia is fighting Ukraine, and despite having a larger economy and military at the start, is stalemating. Iran is getting bombed daily by Israel, Pakistan is getting an India armed with F-35s and had Indian airstrikes hit its bases with Rafales, and even South Africa is suffering. Brazil is a US ally, as they are against Venezuela.

If Israel can do that to Iran, the second-best drone user in the Middle East before Turkey, imagine what the US could do. Trump despite saying he wants peace doesn't want peace in the same way a bear will always poop in the woods. To have peace would mean time for US rivals to arm and equip themselves with conventional long-range ballistic missiles, and hit US cities like Israel was hit by Iran. No country that wants to be a superpower will ever achieve peace in this globalized world, save for the superpower being a world government, which the US doesn't want right now.
 
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Gergar12 said:
Every single one of China's allies, minus North Korea, is being checkmated by the US, and Co. Russia is fighting Ukraine, and despite having a larger economy and military at the start, is stalemating. Iran is getting bombed daily by Israel, Pakistan is getting an India armed with F-35s and had Indian airstrikes hit its bases with Rafales, and even South Africa is suffering. Brazil is a US ally, as they are against Venezuela.

If Israel can do that to Iran, the second-best drone user in the Middle East before Turkey, imagine what the US could do. Trump despite saying he wants peace doesn't want peace in the same way a bear will always poop in the woods. To have peace would mean time for US rivals to arm and equip themselves with conventional long-range ballistic missiles, and hit US cities like Israel was hit by Iran. No country that wants to be a superpower will ever achieve peace in this globalized world, save for the superpower being a world government, which the US doesn't want right now.
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Peace for Trump is like peace for Israel. Everyone is either dead or subservient so they can't fight back
 
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Peace for Trump is like peace for Israel. Everyone is either dead or subservient so they can't fight back
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No elected US president wants peace, that's the point of being the head of a superpower, you initially wish to peace to surpass the existing superpower, then you want to have allies fight your enemies so they are too distracted to do an arms build-up against you.
 
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Silvanus said:
A horse is ridden over the man. You are being deeply unserious.

And you may say "it's not about deserving violence" now, but a single post ago you made a definite accusation that he launched a lethal attack against the police as a direct justification for why he is put in a situation where he could have died. You didn't deny the potential lethality; you acknowledged it was potentially lethal and you chose to focus on his supposed crime to justify it.
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If you went to a farm and tried to light horses on fire, you could get trampled to death there too. It's not about the police at that point at all. Frankly, if you're lighting puddles of gas on fire, you might die doing it. It's not a matter of deservedness if you accidentally kill yourself in the course of doing something stupid, but it's not anyone's fault but your own if you do.

The thing he deserved from the police is to be arrested, as he was committing crimes that are meant to be prevented by police. He was pushed down not as a punishment, but to prevent him from running away and repeating his actions.
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I fucking hate you so much.
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You really have no other recourse. I say the truth, you don't like it, but you can't dispute it, so all you can do is lash out in anger.
 
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tstorm823 said:
If you went to a farm and tried to light horses on fire, you could get trampled to death there too. It's not about the police at that point at all. Frankly, if you're lighting puddles of gas on fire, you might die doing it. It's not a matter of deservedness if you accidentally kill yourself in the course of doing something stupid, but it's not anyone's fault but your own if you do.

The thing he deserved from the police is to be arrested, as he was committing crimes that are meant to be prevented by police. He was pushed down not as a punishment, but to prevent him from running away and repeating his actions.
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Horse is ridden over the man on video, in a way that could easily have killed him = assumption the rider had lost control, and that an unseen action by the man must have directly brought it on himself.

Man is near some fire on the video = assumption the man definitely set it.

All of this is unseen, presumption, yet presented by yourself with such absolute certainty. What we actually see is fire near him, and then a horse ridden directly over him. Can you not see how your standards are wildly inconsistent here? How every assumption about something offscreen is crafted to exonerate the police in whatever you see happen, and accuse the man of whatever convenient? One could do this with any video evidence of brutality: oh, he definitely did something offscreen to bring it on himself, the police didn't mean to put him in a lethal situation, etc.

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Take note: the people arguing with me are lying about events and defending literally incendiary attacks.
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This is an outright lie.
 
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Silvanus said:

(In case the timestamp doesn't work, relevant part is at 5:06:45).

The same man appears to be seen from another angle a little later in this video, motionless in a pool of what looks like blood.
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What I am curious about is what he was wearing on his head that warranted the removal of, since it was clearly kicked away upon removal. (5:06:51-5:06:53)
 
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Silvanus said:
All of this is unseen, presumption, yet presented by yourself with such absolute certainty. What we actually see is fire near him, and then a horse ridden directly over him. Can you not see how your standards are wildly inconsistent here? How every assumption about something offscreen is crafted to exonerate the police in whatever you see happen, and accuse the man of whatever convenient? One could do this with any video evidence of brutality: oh, he definitely did something offscreen to bring it on himself, the police didn't mean to put him in a lethal situation, etc.
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Let's consider your assumptions: This person just happened to be nearby when people were attacking the police, it's coincidence that he ran away from the area the fire appeared just after it appeared. Then the police captured him for no reason at all. Then they tried to trample him with horses and missed. Then they tried to beat him with a stick and missed. And we should all be outraged at the ways they failed to seriously injure this man because they were obviously trying to and just incompetent.

And no, you can't do this with any video evidence of brutality. There are situations in the world where peaceful people have been hurt by police. Innocent people have been shot to death in traffic stops, that's not going to have the same circumstances as someone safely detained after trying to light the cops on fire. We're not at the edge of a slippery slope with this one.
 
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tstorm823 said:
Let's consider your assumptions: This person just happened to be nearby when people were attacking the police, it's coincidence that he ran away from the area the fire appeared just after it appeared.
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The first requires no leap at all: it's a public street. Any incident that happens on any public street will inevitably happen near numerous innocent people.

The second... is fucking obvious. I'd run if I saw a fire break out near me. It's amazing you'd try to insinuate that wanting to get away from fire is evidence of arson.

Then the police captured him for no reason at all. Then they tried to trample him with horses and missed. Then they tried to beat him with a stick and missed. And we should all be outraged at the ways they failed to seriously injure this man because they were obviously trying to and just incompetent.
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They didn't "capture him for no reason". When policing a protest, overzealous police will often react to anyone present with violent suppression to try to assert control. I've seen it happen personally.

And they didn't fail. They rode right over him, he's clearly visibly impacted.

And no, you can't do this with any video evidence of brutality. There are situations in the world where peaceful people have been hurt by police. Innocent people have been shot to death in traffic stops, that's not going to have the same circumstances as someone safely detained* after trying to light the cops on fire**. We're not at the edge of a slippery slope with this one.
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* not safely detained, clearly ridden over by a fucking horse;
** You assume he did this solely because he was near some fire.

You would make a series of similar assumptions regardless, if you were politically sympathetic to whomever was in power, or politically unsympathetic to the protest. You've needed nothing substantial to make the assumptions and accusations here, so why would you need special circumstances elsewhere?
 
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kstp.com

Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, husband shot and killed; Sen. John Hoffman and wife also shot

Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband have died after they were shot at their home in Brooklyn Park.
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4 ppl attacked
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Democratic state politician Melissa Hortman and husband shot dead in targeted attack, Minnesota officials say - live updates

A manhunt is under way after two attacks in which another local Democratic politician and his wife were shot and injured, Governor Tim Walz says.
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  • Democratic state politician Melissa Hortman and her husband have been killed in what appears to be a ""politically motivated assassination," Minnesota Governor Tim Walz says
  • Democratic state lawmaker John Hoffman and his wife were also shot, and Walz says he is "cautiously optimistic" of their recovery
  • US President Donald Trump says the shootings appear to be a "targeted attack against state lawmakers," adding such "horrific violence will not be tolerated"
  • The suspect in the Hortman shooting is believed to have impersonated a police officer and escaped after engaging fire with officers, police say
  • The shootings took place in Champlin and Brooklyn Park, two neighbouring cities near Minneapolis - a shelter-in-place order has been issued by Brooklyn Park police
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was inevitable tbh


vpn adjacent stuff probably needed for UK peeps but otherwise, Richard Ayoade!

 
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