(In case the timestamp doesn't work, relevant part is at 5:06:45).
The same man appears to be seen from another angle a little later in this video, motionless in a pool of what looks like blood.
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(In case the timestamp doesn't work, relevant part is at 5:06:45).
The same man appears to be seen from another angle a little later in this video, motionless in a pool of what looks like blood.
"We are going to liberate the city from the leadership it voted for" is even better than "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people".
I think that ad hominem merely indicates that you've lost this point and you know it.
1) Well, I kind of do contradict it, just in point 2.
2) Who cares if it's the minority or majority? There's simply no benefit deporting productive members of society, it's spending money to make the country worse off. By all means, kick out the criminals though.
3) Yes, the idea that we should care about more than the GDP is an interesting one. However, this also needs to be part of a much larger rethink about society. In practice, GDP not increasing is very rarely a happy situation: quite the opposite, it's likely to involve a great deal of public discontent.
Thinking about public discontent, we might consider social cohesion, relevant to your point about language. Language is something, but not everything. There are plenty of examples of polyglot nations with decent cohesion, because those countries are still bound together by other things. (And besides, it's not necessarily an argument against immigration, it could be an argument for effective education.) If your concern is social cohesion, I think you've got a much, much bigger problem than immigration going on, which the current administration seems intent on exacerbating.
We can play-by-play this, but 5:06:45 is the wrong starting point.
5:05:55: It shows the mounted police on a largely emptied section of street.
5:06:32: As the camera pans back to them, a stream of flame bursts out from the side of the building. It looks like they laid a trail of gas from the street back to the building and lit it as the horses approached.
5:06:43: 3 people on foot run out from where the flames appear. Two dodge around the corner, someone throws something into the street.
5:06:45: The third who tried to escape across the street is tackled.
A brief discussion of tactics here. The front line of the police isn't stopping to arrest people. They push forwards, the second wave behind them detains people.
5:06:50: The officer that took him to the ground moves on, the other police keep him surrounded, nobody touches him for a moment.
5:06:58: A firework explodes like 20 feet away, the fire behind them from before flares up, two horses jump, one kicking the backpack of the man on the ground, the other bucking over him. I don't think he got actually stepped on by a horse, but it's hard to tell. Either way, it was clearly not the intention of the riders, who were immediately trying to pull the horses back when they jumped.
5:07:05: The riders get their horses under control, one hits the ground hard with his stick in front of his horse and gets it to pull back away.
5:07:10: The man on the ground, seemingly started by the stick hitting the ground and certainly terrified of being trampled by horses, tries to get up and walk away.
5:07:13: The officer on foot to detain him pulls him back over to the ground and ties his hands behind his back. This lasts a bit, and the camera pans away.
5:10:35: The camera zooms back into that area, and he is now detained, sitting upright on the curb with his hands behind his back and an officer standing by with him.
Your other video is of the same event from a different angle. In both videos, you can see there isn't a puddle after the horses leave, it appears after the last takedown when he is thrown down onto his backpack. It doesn't look particularly like blood, and if he dropped that quantity of blood that quickly, he probably wouldn't be sitting up very soon. It's much more likely, especially at a day long protest, than the pack he landed on had a water bottle in it.
So, your understanding of events is that
He aimed a freaking 30 foot fireball at the police. Nobody beat him with anything. He was pushed to the ground a grand total of twice, once to prevent fleeing and a second to detain him. He is seen sitting up fine shortly after. The horses jumping I'm sure was terrifying, but clearly not deliberate by the police, and he came out of it largely unscathed. That is the most justified and reasonable use of force I've ever seen in my life.
Hold up, hold up, hold the eff up. I just wanna address one thing here.
Never figured I'd hear the most concise and eloquent argument for reversing the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and returning stolen Mexican land to its original country on here. Let alone from the furthest right-wing donkey on the forum.
Well done indeed, my newfound brother in anti-imperialism! I eagerly await your posts in the Israel/Palestine thread in support of Palestinian statehood!
Never figured I'd hear the most concise and eloquent argument for reversing the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and returning stolen Mexican land to its original country on here. Let alone from the furthest right-wing donkey on the forum.
Well done indeed, my newfound brother in anti-imperialism! I eagerly await your posts in the Israel/Palestine thread in support of Palestinian statehood!
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Well to be fair, the six million figure has been around a lot longer than the Holocaust itself.Who can really be surprised that Grok engaged in Holocaust denial?
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Of course Musk's AI is promoting the sort of views Musk does, he's controlling its output and it's there to parrot what he wants. This waffle about "unauthorised modification" and circumventing procedure is probably bullshit. They over-tuned the Nazi-ness a bit too much, so had to dial it back a little. It needs to hit a sweet spot where it can sound as reasonable as possible whilst favouring the far right.
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Merely skimming though the Palestine thread would suggest there is a low level of trust let alone approval towards recent Zionist actions. But then one also should consider their past actions, which don’t exactly suggest a much higher level of trust yet have the benefit of spanning a far greater amount of time.
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Is that article trying to argue that because there was believed to be an estimated 6 million Jews around for the Nazis to murder that the Nazis therefore couldn't have murdered an estimated 6 million Jews?
And with that, you have my opinion on how useful that article is.
You have no good reason whatsoever to assume this. The video shows fire nearby where he is, that's all, which you've extrapolated into a definite accusation of an enormous and deadly attack.
Good lord, man, this is ridiculous. Horses twice go right over him, and you've just speculated that they momentarily lost control right into the protester. The baton is bloody obviously aimed at him, not the empty ground. And he's pulled back down right to the spot he was just nearly trampled, to where the horses are still walking.
It beggars belief that anyone can watch that and come out with such a mess of assumptions and reality-bending suggestions to justify what they've seen.
You realize that'd be just supporting a different empire, right?
You're saying things that are true and then laughing at them. I think you may be suffering from mania.
It shows there isn't fire there, and then a large column of fire appears, and three people run from where the fire appeared. It is not impossible that he didn't cause that fire, but that is the most probable cause for arrest you'll ever see. I'm sure he'll get his day in court, but the standards for arrest and detainment aren't innocent until proven guilty, and the police saw a wall of fire emerge from where he was on an otherwise cleared street and then him try to flee the scene.
I'm telling you what is there. The rider leans over to the left and swings in front of the horse and hits the ground. Why did he lean so far over as to be able to see the ground in front of the horse if he was aiming at something straight to his left? If his intention was to beat the man on the ground, why did he quit after a single miss? If he was being taken down to get trampled by horses, why did the horses leave the moment he was back on the ground and subdued? Your interpretation of events doesn't make any sense at all.
Open your eyes and see the actual events. You want to see police brutality because you see the police in the US (and anyone you can rationalize as a right wing force) as the bad guy, and that helps you be the good guy in your own mind, and it's preventing you from actually using your own two eyes. He was not trampled by horses and he was not beaten with sticks by police that had sticks and horses surrounding him. Why are you convinced it was their intention to trample him with horses and beat him with sticks?
The standards for detainment and arrest, ok. But that's not what we're discussing; we're discussing potentially lethal force and beating. You introduced a definite assumption of guilt to justify the severity of the approach.
Because that's what they're on fucking video doing. The horses go right over him, twice, in ways that could easily have killed him; you have offered nothing but a presumption this was accidental.
The rider doesn't visibly lean to avoid hitting him at all; he swings at him. And we've seen video after video of similar incidents, swinging batons directly at people who pose no threat. I have been targeted in this way myself. I've seen people carried away streaming with blood after being beaten with batons, when they posed no threat to anyone.
Use your eyes.
Well, here's a snip from the moment it happens. The line is from his helmet down to his butt. The rider is in the foreground of the horse's head, and the horse is facing left and away, so if he were sitting in line with the horse, the rider would be to the right of the horses head, not in line with it from our perspective. He's definitely leaning to the left. The circle is around where he hit the ground, and I know two dimensionally it looks very close to the guy's head, 3 dimensionally he missed him by a couple feet.
Are you done gaslighting yet? You have to know that's not going to have any effect on me.
Absolute bollocks. The horse carrying the rider turns immediately prior to the baton swing, and the man is to the horse's left when the baton is swung. The rider then leans in his direction to swing. It's dark and quick but that's visible.
This isn't even addressing the most egregious moment, when the other horse goes fucking over him, unmistakably.
There are several moments there where he could have been killed.
Ah yes, I'm employing a tactic of domestic abuse on you by disagreeing on an Internet forum. Get a grip.
No, indeed.
The standards for arrest and detainment (whether during major police action or not) are the whim of the police officer. And consider yourself lucky if you don't get some unnecessary force, too. Hey, maybe they'll just deploy some unnecessary force without bothering without the arrest and detainment. Variety is the spice of life.
The lean you previously said didn't happen... And the swing that was forward, not to the side.
Yes, that tends to be a possible outcome when shooting fireballs at mounted police. That he came out largely unscathed in that situation demonstrates the professionalism of the police.
I said he didn't lean to avoid hitting him. These petty deceptions never do your argument any good, so I wonder why you bother.
Back to the assumption that he did something outside of the footage to deserve violence then. It's flimsy, but it's at least more tenable than sheer denial of what's on video.
If you always assume there's an unseen justification, then any and all brutality can be excused. Neat.
You mean the constitutional monarchy that served as the Mexican government from the time it achieved independence from Spain...in 1821? That one?
Doesn't change the fact the land was stolen from Mexico in an imperialist war in the first place. Kind of the whole reason the entire region has those cities with the Spanish names, savvy?
You can go back to soiling your nappy over a little trail of fire nowhere near the cops, and trying to claim it was a wall of hellfire summoned direct from the lower planes by Antifor, the 7th level invoker wizard. Not our faults the cops failed their Animal Handling (Wisdom) checks, maybe if they'd equipped and attuned the Donuts of Destiny to gain advantage on skill checks and saving throws versus black and brown people we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
Jesus, we see better action around here every year after the UK/UofL ball game. What would you support next, a SEAL deployment to act as personal escort for Mark Pope?
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It's not at all about deserving violence. The only violence was pushing him down and cuffing him. Those actions aren't a matter of deserving, they aren't enacting punishment, they are the course of holding someone trying to evade arrest. He was not beaten, not a single hit.
I mean an almost perfectly parallel form of government to the one being called imperial, yes. If the US controlling land is empire, Mexico controlling land is also empire.
Personally not a fan of either, though I don't think it's an accident that when someone decides to race swap a Norse god (or character very overtly based on one) to black it seems to tend to be the one that has "the white god" among his titles.
Also true. They'll make literally anything into a cute girl - men, animals, tanks, sentient AI meant to dissolve the border between reality and the internet, whatevs.
Butbutbut, how could you use footage from a peaceful protest in 2020 to make another peaceful protest in 2025 look like a violent riot?
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