13-Year Old Girl, Strip Searched ; For what ?

[Marv21]

Didn't this happen aboutfive years ago? HOnestly, youare a little late to the party.

It's headed/has gone to the Supreme Court within recent memory. Honestly, you're missing the current party.

Schools absolutely need greater tools to safeguard children under their care. Zero tolerance in regards to drugs is absolutely necessary since you never know which drugs are going to have an adverse reaction with which child when they start sharing, and you can not trust children to think medically. Suing schools ultimately robs said schools of needed funds and is a horrible idea.

Having said all this, the girls family should have sued, and vigorously. They have a clear-cut case of over-reaction, unwarranted sexual humiliation (doesn't matter your intent, it matters how it affects the victim), abuse of authority, disregard for privacy, disregard for proper notification of the parents, etc. etc. etc.

If the Supreme Court rules in the schools favor I suggest we all move. To wherever Dr. Manhattan went.

Agreed! I am feeling quite detached from stupid human affairs too!

But a good point being made is if this what rights do students have, and why aren't we looking for the hard stuff at school....marijuna(illegal but not REALLY that bad), Cocaine, Meth, etc.

I think definitely that Drug Dogs should be able to come to the schools everyone and awhile so they can catch the real drugs! But the thing lacking to my ethos is this within the rights of the students to have drug dogs running around, a day or so out of a month!?!

 

[CAPPINJACK]

Why is the forum so screwed up tonight? Nothing's posting properly.

 

[CAPPINJACK]

well we all know that obama idolizes mussolini seeing as he's doing most of what he did. it wouldnt suprise me if the school won. this country is going down the shitter really fast.

Obvious troll is a dumbass, oh and obvious.

 

[CAPPINJACK]

blah - this is busted

 

[AbsoluteVirtue18]

If someone did that to my sister I would have to be taken into custody.

 

[dragonburner]

If you watched the video they had reason to believe she had drugs with her. The cavity search is a standard search which is done every day and I really don't see why it should be an exception. None of the people on the street complain! Why should a suburban white girl get different treatment? Drugs are a big problem in schools and I could see why they would want to solve their problem in the school.

It's because it wasn't done by cops and her parents weren't informed. Also, ibuprofen. Seriously.

Do the police call every 20 year old hookers mom when they pick her up on the streets. Honestly, if it was a boy with a knife or a black kid I would suspect a different reaction from people reading the story.

No, they don't call a 20 year old hooker's mother, but they don't have to because she isn't a minor. For the kid with a knife thing, yeah, we would look at it differently, since a knife can actually do damage. Ibuprofen can't, not really at least. Even then though, a strip search would still be completely excessive. As for the black kid thing, no, we would no look at it differently.

Well I am quite sure some of the media might *cough* Fox News *cough* and Ibuprofen could certainly do harm. In fact I have read a few articles and seen a few PSAs about more and more teens using prescription drugs.

 

[Lukeydoodly]

A pathetic excuse for sexual assault springs to mind...

 

[02cfranklin]

Go go America

 

[dragonburner]

If you watched the video they had reason to believe she had drugs with her. The cavity search is a standard search which is done every day and I really don't see why it should be an exception. None of the people on the street complain! Why should a suburban white girl get different treatment? Drugs are a big problem in schools and I could see why they would want to solve their problem in the school.

It's because it wasn't done by cops and her parents weren't informed. Also, ibuprofen. Seriously.

Do the police call every 20 year old hookers mom when they pick her up on the streets. Honestly, if it was a boy with a knife or a black kid I would suspect a different reaction from people reading the story.

I hope that's how you see other people as thinking, not how you think yourself.
Anyway what do the police have to do with this, they were never involved.

If I was in the place of the teachers I would put her and the kid who made the claim in seperate rooms. Then call the parents and search the bags/desk/locker of both the kids, if I found something I would call the police. If the school had more than somebodys word to go on it still doesn't give them the right to do what they did, even more so that the person never did anything wrong.
I would not strip search a young girl then ignore the event.

Call me a strange thinker but what with teachers getting arrested for child porn I don't think they are the kind of people to give the green light to strip naked kids whenever they want.

Oh yeah thats right somebody who did have drugs was saying it was her, and clearly that person wouldn't lie to get out of trouble.

Of course that person probably lied. However, try this. Imagine you are the principal at the school. There is a drug problem you have caught and could stop before these kids get older and try harder drugs. Not only did they do this for their job but because they care. The teachers aren't robots! They care what happens to their students and want to find the problem to help them. And anyway you can't automatically assume that someone is lying when they give someone up.

 

[mike1921]

Land of the Free baby

Yep, land of the free. Unless you're a minority. Or gay. Or (although this is getting better) a woman. Or, apparently, if you have a headache.

Maybe it's just in my county, but where I live there's no problem if you're a minority (well, lots of jokes if it's Islam but really, that's not a lack of freedom), and women have pretty much equal rights.

Officially, there's no problem in America for minorities or women. However, there's still De Facto racism, and we still can't get an Equal Pay for Equal Work (between the genders) bill or the Equal Rights Amendment passed (although it's only short by 3 states). And gays have the whole "Proposition 8" thing.

No, I see no sizable racism, either real or government related. I said women have PRETTY MUCH equal rights, I said pretty much because of the equal pay. I already agreed on the gay thing.

 

[mike1921]

Of course that person probably lied. However, try this. Imagine you are the principal at the school. There is a drug problem you have caught and could stop before these kids get older and try harder drugs. Not only did they do this for their job but because they care. The teachers aren't robots! They care what happens to their students and want to find the problem to help them. And anyway you can't automatically assume that someone is lying when they give someone up.

Hmm, if I had a drug problem in my school the last thing I'd ever do is trust one of the kids, enough to strip search someone.

No, you have no idea if they care, some do and some are dicks. Also, while you can't assume someone is lying, you can't take it as anymore than watch her for suspicious activity.

 

[Avatar Roku]

If you watched the video they had reason to believe she had drugs with her. The cavity search is a standard search which is done every day and I really don't see why it should be an exception. None of the people on the street complain! Why should a suburban white girl get different treatment? Drugs are a big problem in schools and I could see why they would want to solve their problem in the school.

It's because it wasn't done by cops and her parents weren't informed. Also, ibuprofen. Seriously.

Do the police call every 20 year old hookers mom when they pick her up on the streets. Honestly, if it was a boy with a knife or a black kid I would suspect a different reaction from people reading the story.

No, they don't call a 20 year old hooker's mother, but they don't have to because she isn't a minor. For the kid with a knife thing, yeah, we would look at it differently, since a knife can actually do damage. Ibuprofen can't, not really at least. Even then though, a strip search would still be completely excessive. As for the black kid thing, no, we would no look at it differently.

Well I am quite sure some of the media might *cough* Fox News *cough* and Ibuprofen could certainly do harm. In fact I have read a few articles and seen a few PSAs about more and more teens using prescription drugs.

Thing is, you can't get high on ibuprofen.

er...um...not that I would know, or anything

 

[Knight Templar]

If you watched the video they had reason to believe she had drugs with her. The cavity search is a standard search which is done every day and I really don't see why it should be an exception. None of the people on the street complain! Why should a suburban white girl get different treatment? Drugs are a big problem in schools and I could see why they would want to solve their problem in the school.

It's because it wasn't done by cops and her parents weren't informed. Also, ibuprofen. Seriously.

Do the police call every 20 year old hookers mom when they pick her up on the streets. Honestly, if it was a boy with a knife or a black kid I would suspect a different reaction from people reading the story.

I hope that's how you see other people as thinking, not how you think yourself.
Anyway what do the police have to do with this, they were never involved.

If I was in the place of the teachers I would put her and the kid who made the claim in seperate rooms. Then call the parents and search the bags/desk/locker of both the kids, if I found something I would call the police. If the school had more than somebodys word to go on it still doesn't give them the right to do what they did, even more so that the person never did anything wrong.
I would not strip search a young girl then ignore the event.

Call me a strange thinker but what with teachers getting arrested for child porn I don't think they are the kind of people to give the green light to strip naked kids whenever they want.

Oh yeah thats right somebody who did have drugs was saying it was her, and clearly that person wouldn't lie to get out of trouble.

Of course that person probably lied. However, try this. Imagine you are the principal at the school. There is a drug problem you have caught and could stop before these kids get older and try harder drugs. Not only did they do this for their job but because they care. The teachers aren't robots! They care what happens to their students and want to find the problem to help them. And anyway you can't automatically assume that someone is lying when they give someone up.

I don't have to strip search somebody eather.

They went too far with very little guiding them, if I was in their place, I would not deal with the drug proplem by giving them diffrent mental proplems through illegal strip searches.

I know a teacher who saw a kid bleeding who was asking to have something to stop it (nose bleed). He said the kid made himself bleed so he could go get a drink.

Most teachers see kids as liers and problems, rather than people.

 

[Captain Blackout]

If the Supreme Court rules in the schools favor I suggest we all move. To wherever Dr. Manhattan went.

Agreed! I am feeling quite detached from stupid human affairs too!

But a good point being made is if this what rights do students have, and why aren't we looking for the hard stuff at school....marijuna(illegal but not REALLY that bad), Cocaine, Meth, etc.

I think definitely that Drug Dogs should be able to come to the schools everyone and awhile so they can catch the real drugs! But the thing lacking to my ethos is this within the rights of the students to have drug dogs running around, a day or so out of a month!?!

Pot should be legal. That being said, students should not have pot, and certainly not at school. So, I wouldn't have a problem with a drug dog being at the school a few days a week. Hell, when I was still in k-12 I would've made friends with the dog. Would've made my school day better. If schools can have metal detectors at the doors, there's nothing wrong with the dog.

Although, here's one of the bigger problems: There are schools with metal detectors, some with barb wire fencing. The drug dog could be added as a companion to the students but the rest of what we're doing with our schools is scary. They are looking more and more like prisons. What message are we sending children when we assume that's the environment they need to be in from the word go? I would love to see what this girl's school looks like. Strip searches in prison, strip searches in school. This from a country that jails more of it's population than most developed nations, often for frivolous crap. Dr. Manhattan take me now!

 

[SyphonX]

If the Supreme Court rules in the schools favor I suggest we all move. To wherever Dr. Manhattan went.

Agreed! I am feeling quite detached from stupid human affairs too!

But a good point being made is if this what rights do students have, and why aren't we looking for the hard stuff at school....marijuna(illegal but not REALLY that bad), Cocaine, Meth, etc.

I think definitely that Drug Dogs should be able to come to the schools everyone and awhile so they can catch the real drugs! But the thing lacking to my ethos is this within the rights of the students to have drug dogs running around, a day or so out of a month!?!

Pot should be legal. That being said, students should not have pot, and certainly not at school. So, I wouldn't have a problem with a drug dog being at the school a few days a week. Hell, when I was still in k-12 I would've made friends with the dog. Would've made my school day better. If schools can have metal detectors at the doors, there's nothing wrong with the dog.

Although, here's one of the bigger problems: There are schools with metal detectors, some with barb wire fencing. The drug dog could be added as a companion to the students but the rest of what we're doing with our schools is scary. They are looking more and more like prisons. What message are we sending children when we assume that's the environment they need to be in from the word go? I would love to see what this girl's school looks like. Strip searches in prison, strip searches in school. This from a country that jails more of it's population than most developed nations, often for frivolous crap. Dr. Manhattan take me now!

America accounts for about equal to or less than 5% of the world's population. America also accounts for 25% of the world's inmates. Try to chew and swallow that one.

 

[nathan-dts]

Doesn't suprise in the slightest; America puts the most retarded people in power.

 

[nathan-dts]

If the Supreme Court rules in the schools favor I suggest we all move. To wherever Dr. Manhattan went.

Agreed! I am feeling quite detached from stupid human affairs too!

But a good point being made is if this what rights do students have, and why aren't we looking for the hard stuff at school....marijuna(illegal but not REALLY that bad), Cocaine, Meth, etc.

I think definitely that Drug Dogs should be able to come to the schools everyone and awhile so they can catch the real drugs! But the thing lacking to my ethos is this within the rights of the students to have drug dogs running around, a day or so out of a month!?!

Pot should be legal. That being said, students should not have pot, and certainly not at school. So, I wouldn't have a problem with a drug dog being at the school a few days a week. Hell, when I was still in k-12 I would've made friends with the dog. Would've made my school day better. If schools can have metal detectors at the doors, there's nothing wrong with the dog.

Although, here's one of the bigger problems: There are schools with metal detectors, some with barb wire fencing. The drug dog could be added as a companion to the students but the rest of what we're doing with our schools is scary. They are looking more and more like prisons. What message are we sending children when we assume that's the environment they need to be in from the word go? I would love to see what this girl's school looks like. Strip searches in prison, strip searches in school. This from a country that jails more of it's population than most developed nations, often for frivolous crap. Dr. Manhattan take me now!

America accounts for about equal to or less than 5% of the world's population. America also accounts for 25% of the world's inmates. Try to chew and swallow that one.

That is actually quite disturbing to think that America has 25% of the worlds inmates. On the other hand, there are countries around the world that are corrupt and don't have proper law enforcement.

 

[luckshot]

so they heard what amounts to a rumor that this girl had prescription strength headache medication.

logical steps:
1. question the people who gave you the info (when/where/how...)
2. contact the in school officer(s) -most if not all schools have a token police officer- or contact the local law enforcement agency and get an officer
3. contact parents/guardians and inform them of impending search
4. get student to open suspected areas (locker/backpack/pockets/folders...)in front of officers and school officials.
5. have police double check
6. review search and reasons with parents
7. if nothing has been found end the search and apologize to student and parents

what they decided to do:
1. find focus of rumors
2. -im guessing at this step- strongly encourage student to go through with a strip search
3. strip search
4. ???
5. profit

 

[Neosage]

Fuck, I would piss in the searchers face.