15 year old girl kills herself after persistent bullying

Recommended Videos

RedDeadFred

Illusions, Michael!
May 13, 2009
4,896
0
0
Spartan Altego said:
And of course this all results from a stupid decision made when she was 12 involving nudity. Why am I not surprised?

Honestly, I can't be bothered to care about some random teenager killing themselves anymore. You hear this shit everyday to the point where you'd have to have a hell of a lot more sympathy in you than me to not become deadened to it. And I can't wait for the next wave of anti-bullying bullshit to rear it's head because let's be honest, it's coming.

Don't get me wrong, this shit is on the shoulders of the pathetic school system as much as the actions of an idiot girl. It's just that we've all known for years that the system is garbage, yet people keep bringing up teenage suicides and bullying like it's the newest thing since 9/11.

...

You know what? This is 88% her fault. She realizes an explicit photo of her has been released (First mistake was sending it in the first place when middle school pounds into your head that you DO NOT DO THAT): reacts so badly that she becomes depressed(Understandable), has anxiety attacks(Extreme, but ok, it was fresh bad news at the time)and starts "experimenting with drugs and alcohol." (...Wait what?)

And this is where I being losing empathy.

A year passes and she notices a Facebook page has been made with her photo and loses her friends (Which just proves that her friends either were not really friends to begin with or there's more to this shit than meets the eye). So she changes schools... then contacts a former male friend, who I'll assume is apart of the group that left her in the first place? Again, why? And this somehow transcends into a fight at school: Why? Because something tells me there's more to this, again, and it;'s just not being noted because "boohoo, suicide." In fact, how did they even fight to begin with? Weren't they at different schools?

She then tries to kill herself(Pathetic) after "torment on Facebook." (Pathetic)

Then it hits me.

What.

She's STILL USING FACEBOOK. This was HOW THE PROBLEM STARTED TO BEGIN WITH. Did she even make a new one?! Was she regularly checking the account with the photo everyday or something? It's stupidity like this that makes me sneer. Because of course, she just couldn't live without a Facebook account or didn't bother having the false account taken down? She couldn't get a Twitter account instead or, I don't know, not use a social networking site? Because how else could it still follow her around after moving cities?

Maybe I'm uninformed, maybe I'm not. I couldn't care less about this girl or the circumstances surrounding her death anyways. Kudos to all of you who do. This is obviously looking like a clear case of "blaming the victim."

It isn't. This is a massive fail on the part of the kid, the schools, and evidently law enforcement. Shared blame is shared.

But like I said, everybody knows the law system and school system is shit. They don;t bother making widespread news stories about them to make us feel sorry.
She was a kid. Kids make mistakes. In many schools right now, kids are not taught about Cyber Citizenship at an early enough age. She obviously wasn't truly aware that once something of you is on the internet, it's up there forever.

So yes she made a mistake but really, the majority of the blame should fall on the person who exploited her and some of the blame should fall on her school for not teaching her about proper cyber safety.

I don't think you are blaming the victim but I do think you are being way too harsh on someone who was just a kid.

Rather than focus on her mistakes, why not focus on the piece of shit who did this to her?

Also, you don't know what was going on in her head. So instead of saying this like this: "She then tries to kill herself(Pathetic) after "torment on Facebook." (Pathetic)", maybe show a little fucking respect.
 

Caverat

New member
Jun 11, 2010
204
0
0
The decision for someone to take their own life is one that the individual making it is 100 percent responsible for. Yes the bullies are dicks, are they responsible for her death? No, she is. She decided to kill herself. People get bullied all the time, and the ones tormenting them are assholes. The few that decide to off themselves are not victims of anything that countless thousands of other people haven't dealt with and gotten past.

I have sympathy for her family, they are now dealing with the loss of a loved one, and are searching for someone to blame. Sucks that the person that deserves the blame is dead.

For the girl, I have nothing but scorn. Women are having their hands cut off and their babies smashed on the ground before them in the Congo, yet many still make the struggle to survive after such horrors. Having people make fun of you and pass nude pictures of you around (Pictures you willingly took yourself and sent to someone in the first place) is so many layers thick of 'first world problem' that it is pathetic that she took her own life. Pathetic and selfish.

I can/will never have sympathy for any teenager who takes their own life because they are unhappy. Fuck off with that shit, there are people in this world that have actual problems. Now, if only the media would stop giving stories like this attention they don't deserve and at least make an effort to raise awareness about the bad shit that actually fucking matters.
 

AzrealMaximillion

New member
Jan 20, 2010
3,216
0
0
BloatedGuppy said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
What I'm saying is that people need to hold a bit of their compassion back and look at the whole picture. Compassion can cause people to do crazy things. That can't be denied. I'm not saying, don't feel feelings, but keep them in check as best you can. It's nearly impossible for a mob to do that though...
And what I'm saying, again, is that compassion is not the problem. The mob does not want to find Cory or Kody in order to be compassionate to them. There is certainly an emotion driving the desire to find and hurt these guys, but it's not compassion.

AzrealMaximillion said:
She got caught and beaten up for it. That comes with the territory.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Putting aside that teenage relationships are not exactly graven in stone or sacred ground, getting beaten in a 15 on 1 altercation does not "come with the territory" of infidelity. I've been cheated on. If the individual who cheated on me (or slept with the girl I was seeing) had been beaten viciously by a flash mob I would not have shrugged and said "comes with the territory!". For fucks sake. You're going on a tirade about mob justice, and you're hand waving this as being part and parcel of teenage infidelity. Cheating sucks, but it's just a shit heel act, and most of the blame lies with the person in the relationship anyway. Beating someone is a crime. Beating someone with a mob of friends at your back is a disgusting crime.
You have your facts mixed up with the altercation. She was not beaten up by 15 people. She was surrounded by 15 people and beaten up by just the girlfriend of the guy she slept with. That's one on one. Getting into a conflict of the person who's partner you slept with does come with the territory. It's a risk that happens when cheating is committed. The girlfriend had a good reason to be mad at Amanda Todd. Don't try and mix up the facts here, even in Todd's video she says she was beaten one on one.
 

AzrealMaximillion

New member
Jan 20, 2010
3,216
0
0
Thyunda said:
BloatedGuppy said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
What I'm saying is that people need to hold a bit of their compassion back and look at the whole picture. Compassion can cause people to do crazy things. That can't be denied. I'm not saying, don't feel feelings, but keep them in check as best you can. It's nearly impossible for a mob to do that though...
And what I'm saying, again, is that compassion is not the problem. The mob does not want to find Cory or Kody in order to be compassionate to them. There is certainly an emotion driving the desire to find and hurt these guys, but it's not compassion.

AzrealMaximillion said:
She got caught and beaten up for it. That comes with the territory.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Putting aside that teenage relationships are not exactly graven in stone or sacred ground, getting beaten in a 15 on 1 altercation does not "come with the territory" of infidelity. I've been cheated on. If the individual who cheated on me (or slept with the girl I was seeing) had been beaten viciously by a flash mob I would not have shrugged and said "comes with the territory!". For fucks sake. You're going on a tirade about mob justice, and you're hand waving this as being part and parcel of teenage infidelity. Cheating sucks, but it's just a shit heel act, and most of the blame lies with the person in the relationship anyway. Beating someone is a crime. Beating someone with a mob of friends at your back is a disgusting crime.
Guppy I like you, you speak sense. Cheating is one thing. Beating up your partner's lover is another thing. That's understandable. Knowingly sleep with somebody's girl/guy and you can expect the partner to be pissed off. But fifteen on one? That's horse shit.
Too bad it wasn't 15 on one....Watch the video, even Amanda Todd says that she was beaten up by just the girlfriend of the guy she slept with.
 
May 29, 2011
1,179
0
0
Badguy said:
I like how everyone is seemingly assuming that this bully was a adult and not some teenager hoping to see some more with his/her leverage.

Sucks that she killed herself, I'd still consider it a overreaction though.
Suicide is ALWAYS an over reaction (not getting into euthanasia here), that comment is both pointless and offensive. It doesn't make it any less tragic, and the guys still a complete asshole regardless of his age.
 

maddawg IAJI

I prefer the term "Zomguard"
Feb 12, 2009
7,840
0
0
Caverat said:
The decision for someone to take their own life is one that the individual making it is 100 percent responsible for. Yes the bullies are dicks, are they responsible for her death? No, she is.
Had the bully not occured or had been stopped, she would not have been pushed to the point of killing herself. I.E. Blame can be placed on the bullies. You can't try them legally in most states, but they are to blame for this young girl's suicide.
Caverat said:
I have sympathy for her family, they are now dealing with the loss of a loved one, and are searching for someone to blame. Sucks that the person that deserves the blame is dead.
Why do I get this gut feeling that you have never had to go through something even remotely close to this? Why do I get the gut feeling that you had an average time in high school, where you kept your head down most of the time and you hung out with a normal group of people who didn't suffer from depression, bullying or other stuff like that.
Caverat said:
For the girl, I have nothing but scorn. Women are having their hands cut off and their babies smashed on the ground before them in the Congo, yet many still make the struggle to survive after such horrors. Having people make fun of you and pass nude pictures of you around (Pictures you willingly took yourself and sent to someone in the first place) is so many layers thick of 'first world problem' that it is pathetic that she took her own life. Pathetic and selfish.[/qupte]

"Oh, you're entire neighborhood is without power and its getting below 30 degrees? WELL TOO BAD! THAT ISN"T NEARLY AS BAD AS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CONGO! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS!"

That's what I got from that paragraph. Yes, it is no where near as bad as genocide, famine or drought, it is still not something we should tolerate. You did not stop attempting to progress as a community and as a culture simply because you're standard of living is better than someone else's.
Caverat said:
I can/will never have sympathy for any teenager who takes their own life because they are unhappy. Fuck off with that shit, there are people in this world that have actual problems. Now, if only the media would stop giving stories like this attention they don't deserve and at least make an effort to raise awareness about the bad shit that actually fucking matters.
Again, I get the gut feeling you lived an existence where you didn't have to go through shit like extreme bullying. I'm happy that you had an average, or even above average childhood, but shit like this IS an actual problem and just because it isn't a problem that effects us on the same scale, doesn't mean we should ignore it.
 

BloatedGuppy

New member
Feb 3, 2010
9,572
0
0
AzrealMaximillion said:
You have your facts mixed up with the altercation. She was not beaten up by 15 people. She was surrounded by 15 people and beaten up by just the girlfriend of the guy she slept with. That's one on one. Getting into a conflict of the person who's partner you slept with does come with the territory. It's a risk that happens when cheating is committed. The girlfriend had a good reason to be mad at Amanda Todd. Don't try and mix up the facts here, even in Todd's video she says she was beaten one on one.
I appreciate that I've got the facts wrong in that case, but I think you're seriously underestimating the impact of having your posse at your back when you go to intimidate/fight someone. I've been bullied by a guy + many friends before, and I can assure you it is a DISTINCTLY different experience than fighting a single person, alone.

If you go to confront someone and feel the need to bring a dozen of your closest friends, you're a coward. Simple as that.

And again, no. Beating someone up because they fooled around with your partner doesn't come with the territory, cowboy. Maybe for idiots, but idiots are always prone to doing idiotic things. You are beginning to REEK of hypocrisy, with all your hand wringing about mob justice and hand waving of this bullshit.
 

Aurora Firestorm

New member
May 1, 2008
692
0
0
What I think when I see this, is, HEY INTERNET. SEE THIS? Chances are, if you are an asshole on the internet, someday *you* may be partially responsible for someone else's death!

Don't be a dick on the Internet. I don't care if they "shouldn't be so thin-skinned" or whatever, *don't be a dick to people.* I don't care if they will never find out who you are. *Don't do it.*

For all the people saying it was her fault: show some freaking *respect* for people and quit blaming her. Just because you're so Super Strong as a person (which you probably aren't), doesn't mean you know what's going on in other people's lives. If someone *dies* because they just can't take it anymore, you have absolutely no right to blame them. Allow the rest of us to punch you off your high horse. This girl is a *victim.* You cannot side with people being assholes to her. Yes, people will be assholes, but really now, are you going to make everyone's lives worse, and shame yourselves, by siding with them? At least be considerate.
 
May 29, 2011
1,179
0
0
matthew_lane said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Things were getting better, and this man's girlfriend beats her up and her life immediately becomes hell.
correction: She was beaten up by the girlfriend of someone else. She got back in contact with some guy she used to know & persued a romantic relationship with him, even though she knew he had a girlfriend. She then went to his house with the express purpose of having sex with him.

Frankly the only person Amanda was a victim of, was her own bad desision making. In fact i'm inclined to think she suffered from an undiagnosed case of Histrionic Personality Disorder.
The only thing she was a victim of? Did you watch the video? A guy used naked pictures of her as blackmail material and than sent them to every she knew. She was bullied to the point that she tried TO KILL HERSELF, moved to a different town and it still wouldn't stop. She was suffering from depression and anxiety and panic disorder so severe she couldn't leave her own house. I'm guessing maybe a dozen people harassed her online, taunting her about trying to kill herself.

And are you serious? Histrionic personality disorder? You're not a psychologist, and even if you were you couldn't make assumptions like that based on such limited information, the fact that you'd say that just further proves how arrogant you are.

What the hell is it that causes people to seek blame in the victim? Even if she fucked up she didn't deserve any of the shit that happened to her, she didn't deserve to have private pictures of herself sent to everyone she knew, she didn't deserve to be bullied, she didn't deserve to be beaten, she didn't deserve depression or panic disorder or any of the shit she was diagnosed with, and she didn't deserve to feel worthless and helpless to the point where she wanted to die. I felt like that for a long time, came pretty fucking close to doing what she did and if you had yourself you wouldn't be insulting her like that. So how about you show some goddamn fucking sympathy and maybe stop acting like you know everything about situations that you don't understand.
 
May 29, 2011
1,179
0
0
Caverat said:
The decision for someone to take their own life is one that the individual making it is 100 percent responsible for. Yes the bullies are dicks, are they responsible for her death? No, she is. She decided to kill herself. People get bullied all the time, and the ones tormenting them are assholes. The few that decide to off themselves are not victims of anything that countless thousands of other people haven't dealt with and gotten past.

I have sympathy for her family, they are now dealing with the loss of a loved one, and are searching for someone to blame. Sucks that the person that deserves the blame is dead.

For the girl, I have nothing but scorn. Women are having their hands cut off and their babies smashed on the ground before them in the Congo, yet many still make the struggle to survive after such horrors. Having people make fun of you and pass nude pictures of you around (Pictures you willingly took yourself and sent to someone in the first place) is so many layers thick of 'first world problem' that it is pathetic that she took her own life. Pathetic and selfish.

I can/will never have sympathy for any teenager who takes their own life because they are unhappy. Fuck off with that shit, there are people in this world that have actual problems. Now, if only the media would stop giving stories like this attention they don't deserve and at least make an effort to raise awareness about the bad shit that actually fucking matters.
"Someone else has it worse" is not a valid argument almost any of the time it is used.
Yes someone else has it worse. Someone else always has it worse. In fact if you believe in the multiverse theory an infite amount of people are suffering endless torment at any given time. Even if you dont, the sheer size of the universe guarantees millions of such scenarios. Even if you ignore that there are always at least a few people right here on planet earth who are going through something worse than you are.

That does not mean that your suffering is irrelevant. This girl didn't deserve to feel worthless and hopeless enough to kill herself. The people who bullied her had no right to bully her. Her problems were real regardless of the amount of people who had it worse elsewhere. Asking whether or not it was her fault is useless, and at least with me would lead to an argument about the fundamental nature of blame pretty quickly. The point is she should have been helped, and there should be a system in place to prevent this from happening.

I can guess that you have not personally experienced this sort of abuse. This is good, but if for nothing else than just on general principle I heartily recommend you show some respect, and think twice before talking about such a sensitive subject. You claim to show sympathy for the family of the girl, and yet, how do you think the family of the girl would respond to your comment?
 

AzrealMaximillion

New member
Jan 20, 2010
3,216
0
0
BloatedGuppy said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
You have your facts mixed up with the altercation. She was not beaten up by 15 people. She was surrounded by 15 people and beaten up by just the girlfriend of the guy she slept with. That's one on one. Getting into a conflict of the person who's partner you slept with does come with the territory. It's a risk that happens when cheating is committed. The girlfriend had a good reason to be mad at Amanda Todd. Don't try and mix up the facts here, even in Todd's video she says she was beaten one on one.
I appreciate that I've got the facts wrong in that case, but I think you're seriously underestimating the impact of having your posse at your back when you go to intimidate/fight someone. I've been bullied by a guy + many friends before, and I can assure you it is a DISTINCTLY different experience than fighting a single person, alone.

If you go to confront someone and feel the need to bring a dozen of your closest friends, you're a coward. Simple as that.

And again, no. Beating someone up because they fooled around with your partner doesn't come with the territory, cowboy. Maybe for idiots, but idiots are always prone to doing idiotic things. You are beginning to REEK of hypocrisy, with all your hand wringing about mob justice and hand waving of this bullshit.
See, I'm not being a hypocrite. You're using that word wrong. I've bashed mob justice, this is true. But me saying that a group of people confronting a person isn't hypocritical. It's usually what happens.

You act as if your experiences of being bullied before are unique. They aren't. Most of us have been bullied at some point. (Please don't take that as me comparing everyone's experience to Amanda's. I'm not). What makes bullies powerful? Friends. Bullies are never strong by themselves and in most cases bully people with friends as a show of superiority.

I've been bullied too. And my point about conflict happening between a person who sleeps with a taken partner and the partner still stands. Conflict is a risk that runs with having sex with someone who is taken. You dismissing it as something idiots do does not magically make the risk of it happening diminish. And since these kids were in high school, of course the girlfriend who was cheated in her brought friends. They were most definitely the ones who egged her on to fight Amanda in the first place. Its high school, their kids, its what they do. She didn't bring them to help with the fight, she brought them because they told her to fight. That's most high school fights in the history. Stop acting like a fight between Amanda Todd and the girl who's boyfriend she slept with is such an uncommon scenario. It happened multiple times during my high school career and it most likely happened in the lives of every escapist here who went to high school, whether they witnessed it or not. Most people on this thread probably can still name the parties involved in a conflict exactly like this.

Also, at the school where Amanda did sleep with the guy, she wasn't getting bullied. For anything. Not at the time and place. You being bullied by multiple people is different from someone challenging you in front of their friends/peers.

Now not once did I imply that mob justice is right so I don't know where the smell of hypocrisy is coming for you. I merely stated that conflict between two people over an act of infidelity is a risk that comes with the act. Even greater so considering that she was in high school. High school is a beacon from drama like that to happen. Anyone can tell you that.
 

Enverex

New member
Oct 6, 2010
56
0
0
If she was ugly, no-one would have cared. This is just in the media because there are a few juicy bits for them to hang on to. No-one other than her friends and family should care.
 

BloatedGuppy

New member
Feb 3, 2010
9,572
0
0
AzrealMaximillion said:
You act as if your experiences of being bullied before are unique.
Where on earth did you get THAT impression from?

Look, if one guy is harassing me, I can reasonably imagine sticking up for myself. Sure, I might lose, but I might win too. At the very least, I might get him to back off.

If one guy + 10 buddies are harassing me, well, I'm pretty much screwed, aren't I? The buddies aren't going silently stand by if I get the upper hand. My friend found that out to his misfortune when jumped in an alley. One guy holds you down, the other goes to town. Good stuff! It's not the same. But I don't understand how me saying"it's not the same" is suddenly me implying this experience is unique. Obviously it's not fucking unique! Good grief.

AzrealMaximillion said:
Stop acting like a fight between Amanda Todd and the girl who's boyfriend she slept with is such an uncommon scenario.
I'm not acting like it's an uncommon scenario. Muggings are not an uncommon scenario. Drunk driving is not an uncommon scenario. Rape is not an uncommon scenario. What I'm debating is your assertion that a violent beating is a logical consequence of infidelity.

AzrealMaximillion said:
Now not once did I imply that mob justice is right so I don't know where the smell of hypocrisy is coming for you.
Well yeah, you did. Rounding up your posse to go give that ***** what's comin' to her is the very definition of mob justice. That you suggest she had it coming to her, or it was a logical consequence of her behavior, is you accepting that mob justice is perfectly a-ok when you think it's justified. You go on to suggest it's even more justified in high school, as if solving all life's problems with the business end of your fists is just par for the course amongst teenagers. If you're going to whine about the application of knee-jerk frontier justice and then all but applaud it when the circumstances meet your approval, then I am going to call you a hypocrite. That's how things go.
 

Spartan Altego

New member
Aug 7, 2012
79
0
0
Wakikifudge said:
She was a kid. Kids make mistakes. In many schools right now, kids are not taught about Cyber Citizenship at an early enough age. She obviously wasn't truly aware that once something of you is on the internet, it's up there forever.

So yes she made a mistake but really, the majority of the blame should fall on the person who exploited her and some of the blame should fall on her school for not teaching her about proper cyber safety.

I don't think you are blaming the victim but I do think you are being way too harsh on someone who was just a kid.

Rather than focus on her mistakes, why not focus on the piece of shit who did this to her?

Also, you don't know what was going on in her head. So instead of saying this like this: "She then tries to kill herself(Pathetic) after "torment on Facebook." (Pathetic)", maybe show a little fucking respect.
You're right, I was being overly harsh. But I'm not going to apologize for stating my opinion, and I'm definitely not going to show respect towards someone who decided to off themselves. Suicide, as far as I'm concerned, is a coward's way out and a spit in the face to all those who actually care about you. I'm not going to pretend what she did somehow had a profound effect on me and shake my head in sorrow.

And as much as I'd like to focus on the person who facilitated this event, I can't: As far as I know, nobody has been caught yet. And by the time it happens, I won't even care.
 

Imthatguy

New member
Sep 11, 2009
587
0
0
Sad story bro... but postcard vids make me want to blow my brains out... Your a terrible person OP.
 

RedDeadFred

Illusions, Michael!
May 13, 2009
4,896
0
0
Spartan Altego said:
Wakikifudge said:
She was a kid. Kids make mistakes. In many schools right now, kids are not taught about Cyber Citizenship at an early enough age. She obviously wasn't truly aware that once something of you is on the internet, it's up there forever.

So yes she made a mistake but really, the majority of the blame should fall on the person who exploited her and some of the blame should fall on her school for not teaching her about proper cyber safety.

I don't think you are blaming the victim but I do think you are being way too harsh on someone who was just a kid.

Rather than focus on her mistakes, why not focus on the piece of shit who did this to her?

Also, you don't know what was going on in her head. So instead of saying this like this: "She then tries to kill herself(Pathetic) after "torment on Facebook." (Pathetic)", maybe show a little fucking respect.
You're right, I was being overly harsh. But I'm not going to apologize for stating my opinion, and I'm definitely not going to show respect towards someone who decided to off themselves. Suicide, as far as I'm concerned, is a coward's way out and a spit in the face to all those who actually care about you. I'm not going to pretend what she did somehow had a profound effect on me and shake my head in sorrow.

And as much as I'd like to focus on the person who facilitated this event, I can't: As far as I know, nobody has been caught yet. And by the time it happens, I won't even care.
Ok I get that it's your opinion and I actually agree with you on some parts of it but I don't see how you can call her a coward when there are so many factors that lead to this.

She was obviously living under extremely high anxiety for a long time. Extreme anxiety can actually impair your judgment. This is why students with extreme test anxiety should not be forced to write the test under normal conditions. Even if they know the material very well, the anxiety from the test may cause them to do poorly anyway. This relates to her suicide because things that she did may seem like obviously bad ideas to you and me but for her, under those conditions, there's a fairly good possibility that her judgment was severely clouded. Obviously not everyone will get anxiety this severe in this kind of situation but I think that it really did become too much for her.

Now you are 100% right about her being responsible for the mistake that triggered all of this but once the asshole trying to exploit her sent her pictures to everyone she knew, the situation was almost completely out of her control. She was set for a downward spiral that could only really be stopped by some type of intervention from external factors. Her parents did a bit of this by moving schools but they obviously didn't do enough. Instead of letting her be free to go and experiment with drugs (seriously her parents must have known that was going on, they should have seen the signs and stopped it) they should have sent her to some kind of community help group where she could re-develop healthy relationships. This would have greatly improved her self-esteem.

Her teachers also should have reached out to her more. They may have just dismissed her as a problem student handed her a bad mark at the end of the year and move on. Teacher's are supposed to realize that their students come first, not their curriculum. They need to do whatever it takes to try and set problem students on the right course.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
Now obviously this situation isn't exactly like the one we're talking about or as complex but I think the same message applies.

Now this is all just speculation on my part and we'll never know if I'm right or not because she's dead. However, I do truly believe that instead of being a coward, she was a girl who lived in so much misery that she believed no one could possibly help her and that there was only one way to make it all stop.

Sorry about sounding like I was persecuting you earlier. I've just been thinking about this all week because we had a huge discussion on it in my Educational Psychology course and I've obviously developed a very strong opinion on the matter.
 

AzrealMaximillion

New member
Jan 20, 2010
3,216
0
0
BloatedGuppy said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Now not once did I imply that mob justice is right so I don't know where the smell of hypocrisy is coming for you.
Well yeah, you did. Rounding up your posse to go give that ***** what's comin' to her is the very definition of mob justice. That you suggest she had it coming to her, or it was a logical consequence of her behavior, is you accepting that mob justice is perfectly a-ok when you think it's justified. You go on to suggest it's even more justified in high school, as if solving all life's problems with the business end of your fists is just par for the course amongst teenagers. If you're going to whine about the application of knee-jerk frontier justice and then all but applaud it when the circumstances meet your approval, then I am going to call you a hypocrite. That's how things go.
So me pointing out that mob justice is stupid, then pointing out that its common in a certain situation is hypocritical? Sorry but no, you're misusing the word hypocritical.

Accepting that something is common after pointing out its flaws isn't hypocritical. That's like saying I'm a hypocrite for thinking that gun crime is wrong but stating that its likely to happen in the streets of downtown Detroit at night time. Use the word correctly.

I'm not acting like it's an uncommon scenario. Muggings are not an uncommon scenario. Drunk driving is not an uncommon scenario. Rape is not an uncommon scenario. What I'm debating is your assertion that a violent beating is a logical consequence of infidelity.
Did I once say that a violent beating was the logical response of infidelity? No, what I said was that it runs the risk of happening. When you sleep with someone's partner, you're more likely going to get into a conflict with that person. That conflict may be physical. What about that statement comes off as me saying that its ok? You just seem to be drawing conclusions.

Seriously, read what I type.
 

AzrealMaximillion

New member
Jan 20, 2010
3,216
0
0
Enverex said:
If she was ugly, no-one would have cared. This is just in the media because there are a few juicy bits for them to hang on to. No-one other than her friends and family should care.
Mainstream television media is in a downward spiral when it comes to ratings. Until they die completely we'll probably see more and more of these stories...
 

dyre

New member
Mar 30, 2011
2,178
0
0
Spartan Altego said:
Yeah, I basically just rolled my eyes at this particular tragedy. This story didn't exactly involve a, uh, sympathetic protagonist, so to speak. I must say, changing schools over and over again doesn't really help if you spend all your time on Facebook, willfully exposing you to online bullying :\

Not that it's not a tragedy or anything, just that it's not really more worthy of attention than the plight of "nameless Syrian civilian 941" or "nameless South African miner 25."

Then again, maybe things have just changed in the world so that Facebook has become as important as real life (I mean, personal, direct, etc) interaction, or even more "real," given the overwhelming amount of time people spend on it.