15 year old girl kills herself after persistent bullying

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AwesomeDave

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We need to stop calling people suicide "victims". You aren't a victim if you do it to yourself. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/victim She wasn't a victim of suicide, she was a victim of bullying. She made the decision to end her own life, regardless of what other people said/did to her. A lot of people have contemplated suicide, it just takes a little common sense to see it's the coward's way out, and that it only hurts those you love, and empowers the people who pushed you to it.

I feel sorry for the girl's family more than her.
 

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I've known for awhile that I'd be a pretty "hands-on" parent when that stage of my life begins, but this stuff just scares the hell out of me when it comes to parenting. This would ruin my life if I were her dad.
I dunno if you were bullied but I think all I really needed as a kid was for my parents to understand.

Apparently both my parents just totally forgot what it was like to be a kid and never seemed to grasp just how depressed I was. I ended up hospitalized and had some jenky shit going on with my heart before they finally were like "Oh he's not just a hyperbolic teen."

Unfortunately after that I couldn't really tell them much either because they started knee jerking after every little incident.

So its tough, just make sure your kid knows that the world is vast, the universe vaster, those people they meet and the things those people do will vanish like dust in the wind. The bullies you meet in your life are almost always of so little importance that the second they get their diploma you will never hear from them again and they'll just waste away in mediocrity.

Unless they are filthy rich <_<...

KB13 said:
Honestly, they won't learn they do it because they get a sick satisfaction out of this sort of thing. I was bullied all through out grade school for one thing or another, and no matter who I told nothing would ever get done, the tormentor would get a slap on the wrist and sent on their way. It was in eleventh grade when I finally put my foot down, because they started picking on the few friends I had, I let go the biggest soap box anyone had ever been witness to and finally it stopped. It could also be the fact that I sucker punched the best football player we had and knocked him flat on his back. Fact is she should have gone to authorities or grown a backbone like I did. Now the world is short a bright soul, rest in peace young lady.
Because of how tightly weaved the social structure is in school, most of the rules made to quell bullying just make it worse and make it harder to stop.

I can't name a single rule made after a suicide or school shooting that didn't just create a more negative environment. It goes back to my original point, I think some people just completely forget what their childhood was like. I sometimes worry I'll hit that point in my mid 30's to 40's. Might have something to do with it becoming an increasingly small fraction of your overall life.

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Holy fuck am I having trouble processing this. What hole do these heartless shits crawl out of?

Cyber bullies... Can these people not tell the difference between an angry off-hand insult aimed at an anonymous internet handle (you know, basic Youtube behaviour), and taking it further to make sure that not only will she not ever forget the mistake she's made, but neither will anyone else, and to rub it in her face both online and off (that would be this)?

I know from personal experience that kids can be mean, but nobody ever basically came up to me and told me to kill myself.
To put it in context, you probably live in a country where people get paid to kill people from other countries and are held high as heroes.

It's easy to hurt others when you are removed from them, the further removed the easier the harm.

When I was in Elementary School I not only had a kid tell me to kill myself, they shoved me off a cliff and I nearly broke my spine.

It's one of those incidents that put a schism between me and my mother because she said it wasn't the other child's fault because "being a girl is hard and your hormones make you irrational." I'm 25 now and still when we talk I'm reminded of how close I came to death, I probably won't ever forgive her for so easily tossing the issue aside.

That girl manages to haunt my memories as well, she is one of the few people I still remember the name of from my childhood.

Krystal Potillo...just sticks there. Probably spelling it wrong now, but I figure if I ever get famous I'm probably going to point into the camera and mention that I still haven't forgotten :p.
 

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Our society can be so pathetic sometimes. I feel bad for this girl. I know the feeling of being alone. No one wants, or dares to help you. How sad. At least she's not living anymore to suffer, I guess.
 

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This story made me even more depressed today (Don't ask why...long story.) and indeed I feel sorry for the family more then her. It's selfish that you kill yourself and your family has to deal with it, they must be incredibly sad that this has happened and are blaming this on the bullies.

Which is right. This might of also scarred the bullies, well I hope so because they deserve this. This may effect them for the rest of their lives too.

Man life is just depressing lately.

Someone should of helped her too, I'm surprised her family didn't notice. *sigh*

I'll tell you what. In my younger school days I was bullied the hell out of...why. For being a gamer HA, now I find that they were incredibly stupid. I ignored them through all of it. Though it did make my...dark side appear. I hate bullying, why must people do it (Human nature I guess) just to feel better then the victim.

Ok...this made me more depressed now F*CK!
I really need to burn that paper. (Yet again, long story)

*Looks up*
Yeah, my opinion may be wrong.
 

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It's not really selfish of her StormShaun.
She didn't belong on a world that didn't care for who she really was.
She was made to hurt for it. But now she can't be hurt anymore.
 

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I just can't bring myself to care...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of the guys running around going "Her fault, gene pool needed cleaning anyway" but this kind of thing happens constantly, how about instead of going "omg so sad..." over the death of someone you never knew you look at the person who doesn't seem to socialise well at school/work/whatever and try talking to them, make someone elses day/life better.

It also kinda sickens me to think that this story probably only got popular because she flashed herself, *sigh*.

Edit: I like how some people are seeing the 4chan post and completely dismissing it for hypocrisy, as if 4chan is just one hive-minded collective of people who all feel the same way about everything.
 

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Oh man... no, whoever drove here to such depression is accountable. and the kids who started punching her too. she was careless once on the internet and had to pay for it with her life, and that is just criminal.
 

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RedFeather1975 said:
It's not really selfish of her StormShaun.
She didn't belong on a world that didn't care for who she really was.
She was made to hurt for it. But now she can't be hurt anymore.
I've read some stupid shit before but that's flying the coop. The implication that it was someone's fate to commit suicide is beyond stupid.

Suicide is ultimately a selfish way out and basically giving anyone who's even remotely close to you the middle finger and saying, "fuck you, I don't care, I want out."


Actions have consequences, even if you're a kid. The digital age has provided a rather ghastly number of "coming of age" realizations like that. No responsible parent should even let their kids near the internet before they're 16 or so.
 

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RedFeather1975 said:
It's not really selfish of her StormShaun.
She didn't belong on a world that didn't care for who she really was.
She was made to hurt for it. But now she can't be hurt anymore.
These kind of pedantic arguments don't do anyone any good. The girl was not in her right mind. Most teenagers who commit suicide are usually going through some form of powerful depression whether or not as a result of bullying or inability to cope with the growing emotional drama of highschool (not always a factor of bullying). Ultimately even those are caused by a chemical imbalance.

Trying to excuse depression motivated self destructive actions, with overly dramatic and emotionally charged snarks is just wrong.
 

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Oh man... no, whoever drove here to such depression is accountable. and the kids who started punching her too. she was careless once on the internet and had to pay for it with her life, and that is just criminal.
Doubt it was as simple as the original article would lead on. The Huffington post is an editorial blog at best, and shouldn't be considered for it's journalistic integrity.

She also didn't HAVE to pay for anything with her life... keep that in perspective. Suicide isn't out of your hands... it's not a murder. You choose suicide. You might have a compromised logic at the time you do it, but you do choose it. No one else does. You also don't get that compromised mind set from just bullying though... real physical depressions, panic and anxiety disorders are caused by chemical imbalances. Those can't be caused by bullying. Bullying can cause those imbalances and susceptibilities to come to the forefront but they exist before hand. So unless you think these bullies caused her to have PTSD it's really hard to make a murder association.
 

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acosn said:
RedFeather1975 said:
It's not really selfish of her StormShaun.
She didn't belong on a world that didn't care for who she really was.
She was made to hurt for it. But now she can't be hurt anymore.
I've read some stupid shit before but that's flying the coop. The implication that it was someone's fate to commit suicide is beyond stupid.

Suicide is ultimately a selfish way out and basically giving anyone who's even remotely close to you the middle finger and saying, "fuck you, I don't care, I want out."


Actions have consequences, even if you're a kid. The digital age has provided a rather ghastly number of "coming of age" realizations like that. No responsible parent should even let their kids near the internet before they're 16 or so.
You can't even see the hypocrisy of this all. Calling people who need to escape selfish.This thing forced upon each one of us is beyond mentally diseased. If you had to actually look at yourself and what you play a part to, you'll probably be forced to admit how incredibly frustrated people are with how self-absorbed the collective is.
Just because earth can suck stuff into it's hold, doesn't mean it deserves to be master and commander over it. WE NEED TO BE FREE!
 

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Fun Fact, the guy who collected her picture (the one she talks about in the vid) has been found.

He's on facebook 'Corey Hartstone'.
 

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I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.
So it's her fault that people went out of there way to bully, torment and beat her so much she killed herself?

You have a serious problem with your view point, Jesus.
Obviously it's not anyone's fault entirely, but unless she was incredibly naive, she must have known she was posting those videos for some form of attention, either good or bad. It's a failure on the part of her family, herself, the school, and bullying individuals involved - it can't just be attributed to the bullies.
I half agree with this...

about half a year ago, when I was still at sixth form, There was a incident that just outside the school after hourse, where a group of 3 year 8's from said school tried to rob a Year 11 with a fake knife. It ended badly for the year 8's.

The kids weren't badly hurt, just had their ego's damaged. But the story blown up to massive proportions locally, saying the year 11 should be jailed etc. His official statement was it was self defense, and the incident was witness by a shop keeper, who had rung the police, but no one believed him. Considering the kids werent savagedly beaten, Im more inclined to believe it was self defense.

The point is, no one even scolded the youngsters for attempted robbery, and this is where I think the problem is. Yes, kids are young, and will make mistakes, but we need to educate these youngsters on stuff like this. When I was that age, it was no where near as bad (from personal experience anyway) and its gradually getting worse. And simple mistakes like this from overconfident and carefree youngsters can cause massive consequences like suicide.

Theres making mistakes, but it needs to be solved, otherwise people are gonna put stabbings down to 'young mistakes'
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I don't know, does it really count if the one with said pornography is under the age of consent themselves? Not sure, but I can't imagine that it doesn't matter.
I'm sure it impacts the charges, but it certainly doesn't matter in terms of police interest. I can't remember the specifics, but there was a case a while back where a bunch of people filmed some underage sex at a rave and posted it online, and there were pretty swift and punitive legal repercussions.
There was a case a few years ago where two teenagers were charged with possession of child pornography after sexting each other. It doesn't matter the age of the person who has the image, it is child pornography if the person in the image is under 18.

I read this story on the CBC website and it stated that the police informed the girl about the picture being sent to everyone but didn't mention anything about the police arresting/charging the sender. So the police were involved when it came to picture but no mention of child porn charges regarding it. Hopefully they did actually charge the person for at least distributing if not for possession of the image.
This too, like I said, kids make mistakes, but the degree of mistakes could changed from child pornography to just an odd fight if we try.
 

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This is horrible, she was just a kid.

I honestly don't know how those people who bullied her can live with themselves.
She took her shirt off and so she deserves to be hounded to death for it?
Fucking morons.

I'm really sad that nobody was able to help her.
Eh, even if she hadn't done anything, she probably still would have been hounded. They just start making things up instead. That's what happened to me, at least. The downside to them making shit up is of course that it can be as horrible as they like, so long as they stick to the story and there's no need for physical evidence to back up the claim. In my case it started in middle school went on for about a decade.
 

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So you went ahead and was that guy anyway. Nice.

That's a perfectly acceptable thing to be upset about since that's a pretty classic definition of betrayal of trust.
To be fair, it is never stated if the perpetrator was someone she knew personally, if it was someone she met online, that betrayal of trust is very, very minor (but the crime isn't, of course). I mean, don't trust a guy on Chatroulette with ANYTHING. Certainly not your reputation.
 

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You know what I found sad about this whole thing? That if that girl was ugly, and was bullied to death because of her looks she wouldn't be on the news, we wouldn't have this thread. But, because she was good looking and got bullied because she was good looking enough other boys liked her the whole damn internet is going up in tears and flames. You all say "She didn't deserve this, no one deserves this", well then if so then how come I never hear "Ugly, fat guy who got bullied kills himself" as a massive thing?

Not saying that it's not bad, it's still a really shitty situation.
SoulSalmon said:
I just can't bring myself to care...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of the guys running around going "Her fault, gene pool needed cleaning anyway" but this kind of thing happens constantly, how about instead of going "omg so sad..." over the death of someone you never knew you look at the person who doesn't seem to socialise well at school/work/whatever and try talking to them, make someone elses day/life better.

It also kinda sickens me to think that this story probably only got popular because she flashed herself, *sigh*.

Edit: I like how some people are seeing the 4chan post and completely dismissing it for hypocrisy, as if 4chan is just one hive-minded collective of people who all feel the same way about everything.
I fully agree with you mate. It's too easy to go "No one deserves this" and cry about it after shit like this happens. It's also quite easy to you know, just not be a dick to other people who are clearly suffering.
 

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Dr Jones said:
Hoplon said:
So you went ahead and was that guy anyway. Nice.

That's a perfectly acceptable thing to be upset about since that's a pretty classic definition of betrayal of trust.
To be fair, it is never stated if the perpetrator was someone she knew personally, if it was someone she met online, that betrayal of trust is very, very minor (but the crime isn't, of course). I mean, don't trust a guy on Chatroulette with ANYTHING. Certainly not your reputation.
I agree, but people also don't do things like that with out the other person engendering trust. We know that it's a blanket no, still no, always no.

A twelve year old? might think they have trust.