15 year old kills 9 year old neighbor, charged as adult
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Well, I don't disagree entirely. She did show remorse, she turned herself in did she not? I do think she should have the maximum penalty for a child applied to her. The law distinguishes between children and adults for a reason, and I don't think that distinction should ever be tossed aside or dismissed as meaningless. However, what she did was horrendous, and if the maximum child sentance does not fit the crime, the law should be ammended to accomodate her scenario (rather than just ignoring the law). She did not act in the capacity of an adult, that is why she turned herself in. If she is genuinly suffering from a mental condition, then that just adds more weight to that whole argument (I am, at best skeptical about that though).Zeeky_Santos said:
I've learned since my initial post that the maximum sentance for minors are generally laughable, I certainly don't agree with her getting off with a tempory visit to jail and no criminal record anymore than I do with her being charged as adult and thrown in jail for life. She should never be able to escape what she's done in any capacity, but a life sentance is too much (note that in my mind life sentance actually means dying in prison). 20-30 years imprisonment with rehabilitation seems far more reasonable to me.
The adult status is just based in law. If you ask me there are people who are still "minors" even after they reach there countries adult recognition. It is just in place so that there would not be resources spent on determining each individuals maturity level. (Think the DMV of adulthood, with even more extensive testing.)Dys said:
As to the nature of the crime, premeditated murder combined with an exploratory approach to murder proves that regardless of her age she is a serial killer in the making. It is just good that they caught her so soon.
I would think they would need to keep her for quite some time to determine whether or not she is a threat to society, therefore trying her as a minor would be a bad idea.
Bollocks... She is not an adult, she should not be tried as an adult. Doesn't matter what other factors might come into it, the legal system cannot say she is both an adult and a minor at the same time.
Yes, it was premeditated
Yes, she planned it
Yes, it would be cut and dried if she was 7 years older.
BUT SHE'S NOT.
Yes, it was premeditated
Yes, she planned it
Yes, it would be cut and dried if she was 7 years older.
BUT SHE'S NOT.
Its fair justice, at the age of 13 you know that killing things is wrong. She knew what she was going to do, she planned it. It isn't like it was a fit of madness. If it is due to insantity then i'm thinking sectioning for a long time is in need. The person valintine has no point in what she was saying, that they sentenced her to death. After all she didn't exactly think about that when she stabbed another person just to see what it felt like. Maybe she shouldn't go into a normal state prision but a psychiatric institute will most probably be best, as to kill to see what it feels like is not normal even for people with depression.
well that's fine and good in an idyllic world republicans from the 50's talk about; white picket fences, loyal dog scrappy in the yard, mom bakes a pie ect. But here in the new millenium children are as, if not more, capable than adults to commit these crimes.wordsmith said:
If they were in the playground and it was "oops! I fell and crushed your windpipe" I'd say something like, "that poor kid is probably traumatised" but instead it's closer to "haha i choked, stabbed and buried you" and I find myself saying "this 'child' deserves to be dragged through Salt Lake until dead."
Except for, you know, the ones that are diagnosed with clinical depression.Smack-Ferret said:
OP: I really don't care if she is tried as an adult or a minor, because the result looks like it will be the same either way. That is to say, she is taking a trip to a mental institution no matter how she is tried.
Let's look at the other way. If she was tried as a child and only got a few years, or didn't get sent down at all, you'd complain about that too. She got what she deserves.
institutionalized? you can't fix sociopath. you can fix schitzo, angry, druggie, poor, confused and over 9000 different problems, but if someone knows right from wrong and ignores all consiquences "for the lulz" then putting them on a few year time out isn't going to do anything except eat up resourcesSkeleon said:
She killed to see what it would feel like. She planned ahead to kill. She dug graves. She hid the body (very well, says the reports). She used a very personal method of murder.
I don't care if she's 15. She deserves to be tried as an adult. Judging from the article, she would probably grow up to be manipulative. Trying her as a juvenile would be a slap on the wrist and would send a message that she can get away with whatever she wants. People worry that she'll be killed in prison. Boo-freakin'-hoo. The girl killed a 9-year-old to "see what it felt like." She'd deserve whatever she gets in prison. If it was my decision, she'd get the freakin' death penalty.
Good job, Missouri. Finally doing something to make me proud to be living in this state now.
I don't care if she's 15. She deserves to be tried as an adult. Judging from the article, she would probably grow up to be manipulative. Trying her as a juvenile would be a slap on the wrist and would send a message that she can get away with whatever she wants. People worry that she'll be killed in prison. Boo-freakin'-hoo. The girl killed a 9-year-old to "see what it felt like." She'd deserve whatever she gets in prison. If it was my decision, she'd get the freakin' death penalty.
Good job, Missouri. Finally doing something to make me proud to be living in this state now.
personally, I think anyone pleading insanity should be put to death or something. A sane person can commit an act and look back and say "oh shit, what have I done?!" while a crazy person could easily lose sence again and do it without second thought or considerationduchaked said:
If a crime is severe enough the suspect can be tried as an adult and she even said it her self that she wanted to do it to see how it felt. She needed help for quite some time if she thought something as fucked up as that. Its too late to say she needs some type of therapy her actions need to be punished
She was aware of murder like an adult.
She killed and planned it and was well aware of what she was doing.
so too right she should be charged as one.
She's a murderer and that's it.
She killed and planned it and was well aware of what she was doing.
so too right she should be charged as one.
She's a murderer and that's it.
Skeleon said:
it would certainly seem that way, yes. If you wanna tell kids who murder their neighbors, shoot up schools, set fire to the homeless, and stab classmates at parties that Santa will put coal in their stockings then you go right ahead, but somehow I don't think they take you, or you're broken justice system with it's feeble punishments seriouslyPuppetMaster said: