Well, honestly i dont think the kid should have stabed him to death(12 times). Get him in the belly and watch as he struggles to live. Stabbing him 12 times is more like the kid going berserk. There is a fine line between defending, and bloodfrenzies. If the kid stabbed less like 3 or 4 times i woulda backed him, if the bully died i woulda spat on his grave. But this is something that calls for at least a mental check, kids clearly got issues.(still bully shoulda died either way, i am just saying the kid has issues that should be looked at now)
15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It
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?We know this wasn?t the right decision,? said Dylan?s aunt, Adriana Nuno.?(The judge) is showing those kids it?s OK to get away with murder.?
I think the judge is showing that the array of destructive behaviour labelled "bullying" cannot be tolerated. I'd rather the bully to get stabbed than the victim hang himself in a moment of despair. If that ends up making all victims rack up a bodycount, so be it.
If you bully my kid, I'd expect the school officials to intervene. If that doesn't do the trick, I'd want your kid to be punished by law. No law to protect my kids, you say? Not before they're dead? Well, then. Have it your way. You sow violence, you shall die violently. Oh, and... No thanks for turning the sheep rabid.
You break and enter, expect to get shot. You pummel an innocent kid, and make it a fun habit for you and your buddies, well, the world will be a better place without you.
If we can't manage to ward off those 'little' deadly evils, how are we to respond to threats and hatred that are even more systematic?
No love from me for the Nunos. Sorry for your loss, better luck next time.
What still surprises me is that the same people who tend to go for a love, peace and happiness vibe and absolutely no tolerance towards violence usually all spring in defense of the morlock of the day. Doesn't compute for me. If the basic principles of any proper religion or philosophy of yours don't do it for you, the very basic concept of "Karma" should do the trick. Give it a spin, and try to understand why people tend to function better with stories, ideas and dreams on their minds that don't involve destroying everything and everyone in their way.
I think the judge is showing that the array of destructive behaviour labelled "bullying" cannot be tolerated. I'd rather the bully to get stabbed than the victim hang himself in a moment of despair. If that ends up making all victims rack up a bodycount, so be it.
If you bully my kid, I'd expect the school officials to intervene. If that doesn't do the trick, I'd want your kid to be punished by law. No law to protect my kids, you say? Not before they're dead? Well, then. Have it your way. You sow violence, you shall die violently. Oh, and... No thanks for turning the sheep rabid.
You break and enter, expect to get shot. You pummel an innocent kid, and make it a fun habit for you and your buddies, well, the world will be a better place without you.
If we can't manage to ward off those 'little' deadly evils, how are we to respond to threats and hatred that are even more systematic?
No love from me for the Nunos. Sorry for your loss, better luck next time.
What still surprises me is that the same people who tend to go for a love, peace and happiness vibe and absolutely no tolerance towards violence usually all spring in defense of the morlock of the day. Doesn't compute for me. If the basic principles of any proper religion or philosophy of yours don't do it for you, the very basic concept of "Karma" should do the trick. Give it a spin, and try to understand why people tend to function better with stories, ideas and dreams on their minds that don't involve destroying everything and everyone in their way.
Well if I remember correctly, when i was in jr. high. I had a gang of morons try to mess with me on the bus, ignoring them did not work, avoiding did not work. So after the 5th hit to the head with a heavy school book, I pounded them till 3 ended up in critical condition and two only had several broken bones/ribs/and so forth. Self control is lost once you are pushed to these extremes.Drop_D-Bombshell said:
Reading your posts just screams ignorance on your part. Adults and Kids differ and you need to remember this. By the way the last fight I got into was with a moron at a bar, he threw about 16 punches landed 0, I threw 0 punches and pinned him to the bar top till he was escorted out.
Big difference from being a kid and being an adult.
ot: I agree with the judge, the kid was probably shacking in horror after he came back to his senses. The bully got what he deserves, no one has the right to fuck with anyone but themselves without facing the direct result from they're actions. Newton's third law sort of applies to a degree. "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."-newton
I agree 100% with this ruling. He tried to avoid the fight, he tried to run away after getting punched the first time, and then defended himself the only way he could. It's not like he snuck up on him and stabbed him in the back.
I agree with the kid's decision to defend himself, and as has doubtless been said countless times before, I know where he was coming from. Speaking as someone who has been in a similar situation, being bullied by a group of people is nigh unbearable. Having felt the impulse to just mindlessly attack people before, it is incredibly hard to resist it. People can only been pushed so far, and to that extent, I agree with the bullied kid. Having, said that, I don't approve of how far it went. The bully deserved to be punished, but I'm not sure he deserved to die.
I'd expect to have to defend myself if I was told I was going to get my ass kicked the next day.TheScientificIssole said:
I think just about any given society would be much more free and less prone for a number of - mostly psychological - ailments that cripple said society, if we all wouldn't be walking around for decades with backpacks full of grudges, bruises, fears and nightmares.krader2012 said:
Do I want all our kids to carry blades and guns? Hell no. But I'd also prefer to have anyone acting on their propensity for evil to be called out on it and punished for it, no matter their race, religion, financial or social status. If we're not careful, we're heading away from the dream of 'cultural melting-pots' and towards cultural BBQ, where some end up as the kindling, some end up on the skewers, and some end up pouring gasoline into the flames - and it's not necessarily the smartest or friendliest folks that end up with the most deadly power. Even if everyone gets to hold the tongs every now and then, it still won't do our big brains justice.
The law should be the same for everyone, but for that to work out nicely the law should be updated regularly, and it should be allowed to adapt, very much like an amoeba, or anti-virus, to any and all exploits and playing of the system. There seem to be trends in violence and crime that should be addressed more directly, not by an effort that relies on the broader and broader (imaginary) shoulders of the executive officers upfront, because they're just not our mercenaries in the battlefield of social, socialist and anti-social warfare on the homefront.
I hear more and more of perps in 'honour killing' cases in Europe getting little to no sentence due to their 'cultural background', whereas people simply defending their own lives get put behind bars because they cannot rely on any cultural deficiency or peculiarity that would allow them to get away as easily as the 'less priviledged'. If that's affirmative action, it's twisted... and wrong.
I've never heard of anything quite like it in history, but, to me, it sounds like a recipe for Chaos. I don't want anything like "WWII" to ever happen again, yet the whole human world is full of death and mayhem and war and chaos. If we can't even fix the bully issue, what does that make us? How can we demand to "stop war" if we don't even bother properly handling each and every agent of chaos within our own community? If we always need someone else to do the thinking, solving and living for us, we pretty much deserve the crappiest of candidates, presidents and kings there are. If we don't even intend to help ourselves and at least put some effort into making our lives less miserable, we probably deserve to be miserable and bitter. Not a very fun outlook.
I believe in lighting response, fire and brimstone and rolling thunder all the way. Revenge as a dish best served cold will eat away your attention, your waking hours, your soul and it will invade your dreams. Not a fun way to spend your limited time on earth, methinks.
From what I understand, the Dylan kid got what was coming to him.
He constantly harassed the other kid, even going so far as to get off the bus with the kid just to start a fight.
The kid in question made several attempts to escape the fight, and in the end, his tormentor got the sharp end of a knife.
Stabbing him eleven times probably was't necessary, but what's done is done.
He constantly harassed the other kid, even going so far as to get off the bus with the kid just to start a fight.
The kid in question made several attempts to escape the fight, and in the end, his tormentor got the sharp end of a knife.
Stabbing him eleven times probably was't necessary, but what's done is done.
Well, actually, sometimes cities like that were given the name of the city that the immigrants to there came from, hence Paris, Texas; Hamburg, Kansas, etc. It was a way for them to feel more at home when they immigrated to the States.Vegosiux said:
OT: While I hate bullies, I dont hate them enough to wish death on them. But, I dont know the kid. While I was able to stay sane (maybe, I blame my war-addiction on bullies) maybe this kid just snapped and thought "If I stab him, the pain will go away."
ps, I thought to be legally protected by "No Duty of Retreat" laws, you had to be on you own private property, ie you home, etc?
I was never bullied.
You know why?
'cos the first time anyone tried to push me around, i broke his face.
And got expelled.
Ok, the first time in any school where anyone tried to push me around and I hit someone, and didn't get expelled, was the only time I ever needed to hit anyone.
None of my friends ever got pushed around either, 'cos they were my friends, and being cowards, bullies feared me.
'cos letting yourself get pushed around makes you as much of an idiot as the idiots pushing you around.
You could at least make friends with someone like me.
Well, I guess bullies are good at picking on people with no combat or social skills.
You know why?
'cos the first time anyone tried to push me around, i broke his face.
And got expelled.
Ok, the first time in any school where anyone tried to push me around and I hit someone, and didn't get expelled, was the only time I ever needed to hit anyone.
None of my friends ever got pushed around either, 'cos they were my friends, and being cowards, bullies feared me.
'cos letting yourself get pushed around makes you as much of an idiot as the idiots pushing you around.
You could at least make friends with someone like me.
Well, I guess bullies are good at picking on people with no combat or social skills.
^ I agree with this, he had the right to defend himself but 11 times is pretty excessive, since according to their law he was legally allowed to, he should have been a lot more careful and stabbed once in a non-vital area.Drop_D-Bombshell said:
umm...They're the only people bullies pick on because they can't pick on anybody else.Danceofmasks said:
I'd say that the kid had a right to defend himself, and that there is no reasonable way to say that he should have stopped at like 3 stabs.
In the heat of the moment, when you think your life could be at risk, you will not stop at one or two or "just the necessary amount" of stabs. Period.
In the heat of the moment, when you think your life could be at risk, you will not stop at one or two or "just the necessary amount" of stabs. Period.
I'm saying it's not hard to pick out a non-vital area when all your opponent has is his hands and feet to fight with. sure you might get punched once or twice but that way the other kid wouldn't have died. And don't you think the other kid stopped fighting back and tried to get away after being stabbed a couple of times? and no he will not flee the kid will be thinking "oh crap i've just been stabbed" and probably pass out from shock.Mortai Gravesend said: