15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It

[Vegosiux]

Tsk, I didn't even have time to hit the ignore button yet with all the thread tabs I still had to do. Well. Maybe you should reply to the entire posts, too, instead just those two sentences over which you establish your internet superiority of awesomeness. Well, tut-tut, stiff upper lip and all that, old chap.

 

[joe-h2o]

I assume he gained some wisdom as he was bleeding out on the pavement.

we're talking about a 16yo kid ffs, please seek therapy.

A 16 year old kid who was old enough to know better.

He did a stupid thing, and ended up paying a very heavy price for it. That's life sometimes. I have no sympathy for him - sorry, but that's just how it is. I'm not devoid of empathy or compassion, but I also put a high stock in personal responsibility.

Should he have died over a school-age assault where he was the perpetrator? Of course not. Am I going to feel sorry for him? Nope.

I feel sorry for his parents and family, but I have zero sympathy for him.

 

[Adellebella]

I had a younger brother who boys tried to bully. I was always the one to protect him.

If you think "11 times is a little much" then you don't understand the fear and rage involved. It's quite literally "Fight of Flight" - what you always hear about.

I've never stabbed a person, but when I was younger I'd wail on them until I was pulled off or snapped back into reality. You're only thought is, "hit them hit them don't let them hit you".

There's also the fear of them getting back up. That boy was probably larger then him, and stronger. Like myself, if they got back up and weren't in enough pain, then I'd get my ass handed to me triple servings.

I don't think it was right - hell what I did wasn't right either - but sometimes there doesn't seem like any other option.

Edit: Wait, he's 15 years-old? I thought I read he was 13. That's a whole different story.

 

[RicoGrey]

Not self defense, as I doubt the guy was still standing and an active threat somewhere halfway. Neither do I subscribe to the silly American logic that you can just kill anyone who gets in your way. Besides, he brought along a knife with the explicit and only motive of committing murder upon that bully. It was pre-meditated.


But at the same time, some bullies do so much to their victims that psychologically, there is no way out except violence. Think of cases where a very abusive husband is killed by his wife because it was her only way out.
Judging by the amount of violence, gang-form and public accouncement the bullies made, this is a case where a gang of bullies goes very very far.

This is a typical case where you need a verdict of not guilty to manslaughter by reason of psychological trauma, but a sort of conviction for using a weapon.

Damn, US legal systems are so strange. If this was the Netherlands he'd been received a zero punishment verdict for manslaughter, and a conviction for illegal possession of a weapon. That would likely be a few dozen hours of community service, or a suspended prison sentence.

Please take notice that we are not United America, but The United STATES of America. The "Stand Your Ground Law" is a Florida State law. In my state of Kentucky a manslaughter charge similiar to what your country has would have applied.

Besides, Florida is where America's trash goes, and evil flows. Most of the fucked up stories come from Florida. I would love to move to Florida because of the location/environment. I choose not to because of the crazy people and laws there.

 

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

Knives are usually easier to get a hold of and conceal. When people start harassing you it's hard to control you rage which is why I believe the guy ended up stabbing the bully 11 times. I agree with the judge's ruling by the way, he might have had a choice but honestly, prosecuting a teenager that is clearly mentally disturbed from years of being bullied on the counts of manslaughter is not the right thing to do.

See, I was ready to think the kid needed some kind of punishment because stabbing someone almost a dozen times seems far too excessive, but you make a good point. The kid has some severe emotional problems from so much bullying and perhaps that's why he stabbed his attacker so many times - you lose control for a moment and this is what happens. I think, rather than punishing this kid, we find him the psychological help he mostly likely, desperately needs.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

See, I was ready to think the kid needed some kind of punishment because stabbing someone almost a dozen times seems far too excessive, but you make a good point. The kid has some severe emotional problems from so much bullying and perhaps that's why he stabbed his attacker so many times - you lose control for a moment and this is what happens. I think, rather than punishing this kid, we find him the psychological help he mostly likely, desperately needs.

Exactly. What happened is tragic, I won't deny that. Bullies also suffer from emotional problems but they choose to express it in different ways, mainly through violence and such. Either way, the kid needs help, not a manslaughter charge that would prevent him from leading a relatively healthy and normal life

 

[Biodeamon]

I don't usually get mad over stupid justice issues but are you fucking kidding me?! you can;t stab somebody 11 times by accident! bullshit second degree murder...where's the person from law abiding citizen when you need him?

 

[godofallu]

You hear all of the time about women who get beaten by their husbands snapping and killing them, and the jury let's them off.

This is the same thing, a poor victim who snapped.

In the US you have a right to a trial by your peers, no jury would have ruled against the kid definitively.

 

[paranoia.precinct]

I have mixed emotions on this story.

Firstly i believe that the kid had a right to defend himself, every kid does, but was stabbing him 11 times necessary. I'm sure once would have been enough.

Second, why a knife, couldn't he have just battered him for a bit with a bat or something? It doesn't make sense why he would carry a knife as stab as many times as he did.

Should he get away with it? No, but he shouldn't be prosecuted as a murderer, maybe given a less harsh punishment. Seems only fair.

He probably didn't know how to use a knife correctly, or how to damage or avoid vital organs. plus adrenaline and suppresed rage is a powerful combination.

 

[Z of the Na'vi]

I have no sympathy for the dead kid. It'll certainly teach him not to do that again...

It won't teach him anything. He's dead.

 

[paranoia.precinct]

See, I was ready to think the kid needed some kind of punishment because stabbing someone almost a dozen times seems far too excessive, but you make a good point. The kid has some severe emotional problems from so much bullying and perhaps that's why he stabbed his attacker so many times - you lose control for a moment and this is what happens. I think, rather than punishing this kid, we find him the psychological help he mostly likely, desperately needs.

Exactly. What happened is tragic, I won't deny that. Bullies also suffer from emotional problems but they choose to express it in different ways, mainly through violence and such. Either way, the kid needs help, not a manslaughter charge that would prevent him from leading a relatively healthy and normal life

There's a big difference between an emotional problem and a psychological defect, I get kinda angry when parents try to protect their violent sociopathic kids (ie: bullies) (though I do understand Some bullies ARE emotionally damaged and could be helped)who are then allowed to grow into violent sociopathic adults. I just get the feeling the parents are in deep denial. But what can be done...

 

[GrandmaFunk]

I have no sympathy for the dead kid. It'll certainly teach him not to do that again...

It won't teach him anything. He's dead.

quote fail, I was pointing out the same thing.

 

[Z of the Na'vi]

quote fail, I was pointing out the same thing.

Whoops, my bad.

Sorry about that.

[sub]*quietly leaves*[/sub]

 

[AndyFromMonday]

There's a big difference between an emotional problem and a psychological defect, I get kinda angry when parents try to protect their violent sociopathic kids (ie: bullies) (though I do understand Some bullies ARE emotionally damaged and could be helped)who are then allowed to grow into violent sociopathic adults. I just get the feeling the parents are in deep denial. But what can be done...

It's a mixture of the two when it comes to bullies to be honest. Of course the parents are in denial, their son was just killed. Even if the guy was an asshat, he was still their son and when someone that is so precious to you dies it's understandable for them to react this way.

 

[DC Boxer]

Moral of the story: Don't bully people.

Everybody acts like you shouldn't fight back against a bully because he might be bigger than you and he might be more dangerous than you. Problem is, the bully wasn't prepared for what his target would dish out with his back to the wall.

He absolutely got what was coming to him. The lesson that people think he should learn is that you don't bully people, but how hard is it to figure out that lesson before you're 3 years old? Obviously human contact is too complicated for him.

 

[paranoia.precinct]

There's a big difference between an emotional problem and a psychological defect, I get kinda angry when parents try to protect their violent sociopathic kids (ie: bullies) (though I do understand Some bullies ARE emotionally damaged and could be helped)who are then allowed to grow into violent sociopathic adults. I just get the feeling the parents are in deep denial. But what can be done...

It's a mixture of the two when it comes to bullies to be honest. Of course the parents are in denial, their son was just killed. Even if the guy was an asshat, he was still their son and when someone that is so precious to you dies it's understandable for them to react this way.

I understand the after, just not the before. They Lived with him, why didn't they see it BEFORE anything happened, before the survivor got bullied. I'm saying they were in denial while he was growing up. I might not be saying it right.

 

[Sirron Kcuch]

I'd rather be beaten than kill a person.
I know it's weird, but I just couldn't live with it

 

[Cid Silverwing]

That'll teach them not to fuck with this kid. I fully and wholly support this self-defence murder.

Face it, bullies are a waste of life and adults never ever pay attention to it, the most we get is an article 10 pages into the newspaper when someone already got grievously wounded, suplex'd into the pavement or killed already. Then everyone just kinda forgets about it.

 

[Irridium]

HA! America! Kiddies are now stabbing each other before school. With no adult fucking supervision. What the fuck?

I agree, all stabbings should be done under adult supervision.

Someone could get hurt.

True that!
Derp. I need to rethink that now...

Also, the stabbing happened off school grounds at a bus-stop. Plus, this happened after school, since it says he showed them the knife in the afternoon, which is when schools normally get out. Plus it says he got off many stops early, and to my knowledge buses don't drop kids off at their stops before school.

 

[Zerazar]

My rule of thumb is two to five stabs.
I'd sentence him to a year. Two months for each excessive stab.

I wish the world took bullying more seriously. As someone said, it's mostly used as a way to trivialize assault in various forms between young 'uns.