15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It

[ShindoL Shill]

it wasnt self defence because he, a minor, was armed. 1. that's illegal 2. that means it was pre-meditated and 3. he wasnt being attacked at that time.
yet he gets away with it.

in the words of LeeLee Scaldaferri in this week's Feed Dump, "God bless America!"
[/all the sarcasm]

It'll be amusing how you react when your own child goes through enough bullying that they're willing to arm themselves.

i'm going to think "how did i fuck up so badly that my child is a murderer?"

 

[Agayek]

As I said. "Considering I was a kid those days..." I'm about 17 years older now, and I don't need some pretentious dude on the internet to tell me what to do with my balls.

But I'm sure you're going to be a wonderful father to your 12 old kid who gets bullied and you tell him to "grow a pair" instead of actually listening to him.

I'll be honest, "grow a pair and fucking punch the idiot" is probably the single best piece of advice you can give a kid being bullied. The victim standing up for themselves will almost always cause the bullies to re-evaluate their priorities.

I mean yea, you can sit there and listen to your kid ***** about how life sucks for hours while reinforcing to them that they shouldn't do anything about it, or you can sit down and explain to them that life isn't always fair and the only way to improve your lot in life is to do something about it.

That's one of the single most important life lessons that so many people seem incapable of learning. It's fucking atrocious to see.

 

[BlueMage]

A further addendum, to those saying "Oh, should've talked about it! Told someone about it!" I shall relate a little anecdote. I would've been about 11 at the time.

I was bullied substantially in primary school. I was the new kid, I was quite intelligent (in a rural community!) and my mother had the audacity to take a local builder to court when he failed to adhere to contract.

Naturally, I was targeted.

I told the teachers. They would do what they "could" - talk to the bullies, tell them it was the wrong thing, and then walk away. If I was lucky, they'd turn around in time to see me grab the latest arsehole who'd tried to punch me by the neck.

My parents tried to help - they met the same stonewalling I got.

Now, I'm a big guy, always have been - larger and heavier, and I was trained even then. But when 30 people try to dogpile you, it never ends well. That's how it ended up - with 30 other kids trying their luck simultaneously. For some, their luck ran out and they enjoyed a hospital stay, because I'd had enough and I wasn't going to pull any punches. Some just hung around the edges, making sure I couldn't escape - their luck endured, as I was more worried about the ones trying to hit me.

In the end, I was still standing when the teachers finally tried to break up the melee. Battered, bruised, but standing and still holding my guard. Two or three near me had something broken, others were winded and badly bruised.

Due to the ridiculousness of the school system at the time, each one of those 30 would have had 1 mark against them for discipline. I would receive 30. I'd be expelled. I changed schools - went to a private school where thankfully this sort of thing never happened - but I can tell you one thing. I lived in a small community, so I would see those people from that melee again - but never again did they try their luck.

 

[Obsideo]

For everyone talking about him having a weapon at school, I present to you Florida State Law Section 790.001.

(http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/filestores/web/statutes/fs07/CH0790/Section_0790.001.HTM)

?'Weapon' means any dirk, knife, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon except a firearm or a common pocketknife, plastic knife, or blunt-bladed table knife."

The definition for concealed weapon is different however.

?'Concealed weapon' means any dirk, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the weapon from the ordinary sight of another person."

After watching a lot of the "RIP Dylan Nuno" videos on YouTube, I get the feeling that this wasn't a case of "poor, misunderstood kid turns to bullying to raise his self esteem but he really just needs a good friend". Most of the videos show him hanging out with a lot of people and while I can't get into his mind to know EXACTLY what he was feeling, it definitely seems like he was just bullying to impress people.

Also, unrelated to what I said above, but this comment on one of those videos made me laugh:

"IF YOU HAVIN BULLY PROBLEMS I FEEL BAD FOR YOU SON, I SPARED 99 LIVES BUT MY KNIFE TOOK ONE"

 

[Double A]

I have mixed emotions on this story.

Firstly i believe that the kid had a right to defend himself, every kid does, but was stabbing him 11 times necessary. I'm sure once would have been enough.

Second, why a knife, couldn't he have just battered him for a bit with a bat or something? It doesn't make sense why he would carry a knife as stab as many times as he did.

Should he get away with it? No, but he shouldn't be prosecuted as a murderer, maybe given a less harsh punishment. Seems only fair.

Knives are usually easier to get a hold of and conceal. When people start harassing you it's hard to control you rage which is why I believe the guy ended up stabbing the bully 11 times. I agree with the judge's ruling by the way, he might have had a choice but honestly, prosecuting a teenager that is clearly mentally disturbed from years of being bullied on the counts of manslaughter is not the right thing to do.

Ok, yeah, pushed to the limit is totally understandable, similar to that Australian kid, but rage making him stab 11 times is still pushing it a little. I agree with you that he shouldn't be prosecuted, but the whole stabbing thing was not needed, once or twice, yeah ok, but not that many stabs, even while enraged.

You seem to be misunderstanding the definition of enraged. It means you are pushed to a point of emotional extreme so that logical thought can no longer occur.

11 (or 12, the article didn't seem to make up its mind) times may have been excessive, but is entirely justified given the circumstances.

 

[Tsunimo]

I am a little conflicted here...
Although I can believe the stabbing was in self-defense, 12 times does seem a bit excessive.
Even so, from what the article said, the bullying had been going on for quite a while, and anger built up from so much can turn a thought like, "If I stab him once, maybe he'll leave me alone." to "Once he recovers, he will just bully me worse, but I could end it now."
I was bullied a fair share in Elementary/Middle school, but luckily never to the point where I was so desperate for relief from it that I would resort to such a thing.

 

[Sentox6]

Since you are so keen on being frank, let me be too: those are your views on the matter, but they are not the views of the majority, and that is with good reason. In the west, we are for the most part past the times in which we cut thieves hands off or mutilated cheating wifes, and society is better off for it.

You have the right to your opinion, but with opinions like that, dont expect to be taken seriously.

If that means I'm not taken seriously by people more interested in the rights of criminals than those of victims, I imagine I will still find a way to sleep soundly at night.

Apparently the more tolerant we are of those abusing the rights of others, the more civilised we are. I guess I'm just not enlightened enough to understand.

I find the idea that the current institutional and civic arrangements in Western countries somehow represent the views of the majority laughable, though. The power of corporate lobbyists and interest-based pressure groups have long since put paid to that.

 

[GrandmaFunk]

A 16 year old who beats upon another person in contempt in order to gain a disgusting, twisted feeling of superiority

It's interesting how you have this magical insight into the "bully"'s emotional state and reasoning.

...shouldn't be handled any differently than an adult who does so.

most states and countries do not judge minors on the same scale as adults for a variety of reasons.

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there seems to be a big discrepancy between the leeway given to each kid by many posters:

"one kid has issues(unknown to us) which lead him to bully/beat-up another, therefor he has a lethal stabbing coming to him"

and

"one kid had issues(getting bullied) which lead him to STAB SOMEONE TO DEATH, therefor he was just protecting himself"

 

[newwiseman]

All I can say is good for him, too often those that pull a weapon never use it, and even more often no one ever fights back in the first place.

Having been a victim of harassment by bullies, and seeing the courts do nothing when I got my face kicked in by 5 guys (they were ordered to write an apology letter for breaking my nose and go to counseling) I have no sympathy for the family of the dead kid.

If I had a knife when I was attacked in School there would have been more bodies. edit* and my nose would be straighter.

 

[Vegosiux]

I mean yea, you can sit there and listen to your kid ***** about how life sucks for hours while reinforcing to them that they shouldn't do anything about it, or you can sit down and explain to them that life isn't always fair and the only way to improve your lot in life is to do something about it.

"Do something about it" does sound a bit different from "Grow a pair and punch back", doesn't it? Both in tone and in meaning.

Yes, I agree, people do need to learn to "do something about it", but I still can't imagine a school bully breaking into my house when I was 12 years old home alone, hell bent on beating me up like that particular gentleman up there went on about *snicker* Ask a stupid question, and all.

 

[BlueMage]

it wasnt self defence because he, a minor, was armed. 1. that's illegal 2. that means it was pre-meditated and 3. he wasnt being attacked at that time.
yet he gets away with it.

in the words of LeeLee Scaldaferri in this week's Feed Dump, "God bless America!"
[/all the sarcasm]

It'll be amusing how you react when your own child goes through enough bullying that they're willing to arm themselves.

i'm going to think "how did i fuck up so badly that my child is a murderer?"

Well, if you're going to go that path, you fucked up by failing to adequately protect your child, or teach them to protect themselves.

Whatever, keep to the party line.

Long story short: It's pretty clear you've never been actually bullied. Your view is becoming inconsequential.

 

[Tyrrax]

The only thing the kid is technically guilty of is carrying a weapon at school and on the bus. Other than that I believe what he did was justified. Bullying has gotten out of control in schools. More often than not the school will often side with the bully against the victim. This is mainly due to the fact that the school is afraid on stepping on anyone's toes. And also more importantly they don't want to rock the boat or disturb the status quo. In there eyes if you're a victim then on some level it's your fault.

I don't believe that the bully deserved to die for what he did. However, when he decided to harm someone else he took his own life in his hand. I wish this would happen more often. It would make every bully in America think twice before violating the peace of others.

 

[GrandmaFunk]

If I had a knife when I was attacked in School there would have been more bodies. edit* and my nose would be straighter.

so a broken nose is worth several lives?

there's a pretty scary amount of psychopathic thought process on display in this thread.

 

[BlueMage]

If I had a knife when I was attacked in School there would have been more bodies. edit* and my nose would be straighter.

so a broken nose is worth several lives?

there's a pretty scary amount of psychopathic thought process on display in this thread.

I'd already planned who would die first. And second. And third.

Does that shock you? Does it scare you to think that a person could be pushed so far by apparently-inconsequential things that they'd be willing to end another? Or themselves?

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

Long story short: It's pretty clear you've never been actually bullied. Your view is becoming inconsequential.

Remember, people: Unless you're emotionally biased based on previous experiences in your life, you can't pass judgement on an event!

And before you ask, yes, I have been bullied before. It doesn't turn you into a magical moral arbiter.

 

[Rottweiler]

Why exactly is the number of times the bully was stabbed of any note? People keep bringing up the 'stabbed 11 times' thing like it's an attribute of an ax murderer, when the truth is closer to this:

1. Bully attacks weaker person

2. Victim, who doesn't want to be assaulted again (I am dead certain Saavedra had been beaten by this bully more times than once) has a small pocket knife, and brandishes it.

3. Bully, full of himself, ignores it and continues to attack.

4. Victim- who is unlikely to have ever stabbed any living creature before, wildly flails away with small knife (at most 3 inch blade, I'd be suprised if it was more.)

Now- for those of you unaware of the wounds caused by knives, A) the wounds are generally small, and B) in the middle of a fight- when participants are full of adrenalin and other body-produced chemicals- even fatal wounds don't immediately take effect. The whole 'I stabbed him in the chest and he instantly dropped dead' idea is from movies. People have been 'stabbed in the heart' and made it to hospitals under their own power.

So, probably what happened is the victim (Saavedra) flailed away, inflicted 9 minor scratches and flesh wounds, and by sheer chance inflicted *two* major wounds in addition.

Did it say anywhere in there that Saavedra stabbed the bully as the bully ran away? Stabbed him while he lay unconscious or otherwise helpless on the ground? Nope nowhere in there.

So, you want to argue this- don't use 'number of stab wounds in a fight' as some kind of standard to judge the bullied kid. It doesn't wash and it has no real basis in reality.

 

[Thyunda]

He started the fight with a punch to the back of the head. I'm surprised the kid even tried to get away before losing his shit. You just don't hit somebody there, it's just not cricket. So easy to do permanent damage in that spot.

 

[Dfskelleton]

I'm all for standing up against bullies, but stabbing him 11 times in the chest? Like someone earlier said, I'm sure a few minutes of bludgeoning with a baseball bat would make the bully think twice before even looking at that kid again.
I've never been a victim of bullying (I was gifted with a gratuitious amount of self esteem), but I can sympathize with those who are. I have very mixed feelings about this.