191: Those Left Behind

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adipokerface

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i've only just quit playing WoW this february and this thread has just totally reinforced my decision to quit! it really can take over your life.. having said that i played for over a year and i have never ever had that with a game before where iv been so comitted to playing for so long. maybe its due to the subscription... i dont know but either way you can get hooked so easily
 

Eclectic Dreck

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Artemis923 said:
This game is terribly addicting. I tried the 10 day trial and am now thoroughly hooked. There's just something about it that makes you want to just get that last quest done or just reach that next level.

I just hope I don't lose myself (too much) in the world of warcraft.
I have never had any long term affair with an MMO - in fact WAR was the first (and still only) MMO I ever played long enough to get a mount in.

I played WoW in it's earlyish days (December 2005), and for about a month I devoted a great deal of time to the game. Then, just as suddenly as I was gripped by the "must kill more orcs on the off chance of shiny things!" it was gone, and never returned. I had the same experience with Anarchy Online and LOTRO as well (though LOTRO held out longer than either Anarchy or WoW, and it had nothing to do with my liking or disliking the Lord of the Rings). My reaction to WAR was much the same, but the PVP aspect kept me playing for a few months, and recently I started again when the Knight of the Blazing Sun was introduced. Then, I stopped playing again, but not because of anything the game did wrong - in the largest and most exciting battles, my system slows to a crawl and the game is all but unplayable - and until I decide to upgrade the ole paperweight I play other games.

Maybe I got out my desire to grind in Diablo 2, since I played THAT game about like your average WoW addict (and I STILL never got a level 99 anything)
 

LordMonty

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I'm not in to giving advice as many have here, its not my place but thanks for sharing.

Although I think a posivtive example of warcraft will help here. I have a good friend who met his wife(he's british while she's dutch) on warcraft two or three years ago now and after marrying they still play it together to this day, they would have never met otherwise i see this as a wonderful thing that this sort of game offers. I'm in no way saying play it with her or anything, with my frind and his wife they play apart at times he's a heavy raider and pvp'er she likes a little raiding and collecting pets and doing achievemnt stuff.

I think that although it may be a worry for your self its a good sign that gaming is cross gender now rather than just a realm of the dude. You've just got to put a little more effort in the relationship plan evenings out around her raids and stuff... Oh damn gave advice well nevermind but I hope you find a confortable medium in your life with wife and warcraft.

P.S yes i play it and have since EU launch, i'm not as fit or healthy as i was at the start but in the last few years i've pulled myself back towards a better state of health and fitness and still enjoy the game, its hard to find balance but its possible and soon i'd like to be competitively running again so we shall see :)
 

ErytheiaRed

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I play WoW, and I have several friends who also play WoW, mostly casually, or raids slotted around work schedules. But my other friends (most of whom play video games) are either totally indifferent/ignorant/uninterested in the game, or they have quit/refuse to play it on irritatingly smug moral grounds that they have not succumbed to the "popular." I don't raid because my work schedule simply doesn't allow it, but I have a serious idea of the time commitment you enter once you have gotten geared up.

When my last roommate and I, who was also a best friend, lived together, he and I would often talk to one another over skype or vent even though we were in the same house, because we didn't want to move our computers and bottom line: were really lazy. We did this even when we weren't playing WoW. It is not the same solution as being able to talk face to face, but it did give a more connected feeling than yelling at one another through the apartment or trying to figure out if someone was having a conversation with someone else. Also, it didn't require both of us to be playing WoW. That isn't really a solution for all the time or even to save communication in a marriage, but at least it would be clearer sometimes that you were having a conversation With Her. If her guild isn't comfortable with you, who probably is not a guildmember having access to vent, there is always skype or some other thing that could be your own private channel when you are both doing things at different computers.

Now, I have another idea for you. Use WoW to your advantage. In her WoW calendar, with her consent and help, schedule days and times where she pulls some weight around the house, like dishes, or cooking, or laundry, or all the other mundane garbage that someone has to do--hopefully as a team when there is more than just one person living in the house--so that you don't get frustrated right as she's grinding through Naxx for the 40th billion time. AND so things get DONE before raiding that don't involve Alchemy or the Auction House. This way, with them in the WoW calendar, she can see her WoW Raiding schedule AND her House Raid schedule. You can point out that if she needs to up her professions and fishing, she can schedule doing stuff around the house around the amount of time she wants to spend on those things too. Like throw a load of wash in and fish for awhile in a tourney and when the wash is ready to be switched to the dryer, she can work on whatever needs doing for Tailoring, etc. until it's done in the dryer. She doesn't sound like she's Achievements crazy, but you could always make them part of the theme for doing stuff around the house if she is with small rewards built in to your week and budget like going out to eat, or a movie on a non Raid night--but seriously that should happen anyways with or without things getting done around the house being hinged on it. You are adults after all. Also, the two of you should sit and look at the WoW alarm clock/timer controls on this one. Just check them out. If having a clock tell her to take a break is something she can use (I don't know because everyone's personality is different) then it is worth looking into. Work WITH her to manage her WoW time and her IRL time, using the danged game with either time management mods that independent people have developed or with the new stuff that's been added by Blizzard themselves.

And seriously, seriously, plan a real vacation like everyone's been saying! Budget for it, pick a place you both want to go where you both agree not to take ANY electronics with you, talk to your work and get it all arranged so you have some time to look forward to. That way she can also plan with her guild (This game is seriously like a second job, I know) and they will know not to count on her for that week or two week period.

I don't think you should have to join the game, especially if there is pressure for you to grind your way up to 80 and start raiding with her. There is a lot to do and enjoy in WoW that don't involve seeing all hardcore end game content and the chores that come with it like gear and rep and all the rest. I took ages and ages to level up to 70, and got there just before Wrath came out, and I'm still taking my time, despite leveling being even easier to do. Everyone plays this game differently and the beauty of it is that you CAN play this game a lot of different ways. But if people are out there, who want you to play, and want you to play so they can play with you THEIR way, I don't think that's very fun or appealing. And I know very well that people who are in a certain groove of playing WoW can be very resistant to just goofing off in the game and enjoying it for what it is--a game. My advice: Stay out of the game unless you can play it however you want, no strings attached.

Good luck with IRL Raid management!
 

Fordo

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Great article.

I played wow from stress test beta 1 to November 2008. I quit 3 times during that time. The only reason I ever quit was due to taking seasonal gigs out in the vast wastelands of New Mexico where you are lucky to find a cell phone connection let alone broadband.

I remember each time, the whole thing would piss me off when I got back from these jobs because I would be so far behind. I was fortunate to have some fairly great server cred so friendlies were more than happy to bring me back up to snuff for any pvp or pve content I wanted to enjoy, but rolling up to the third and final /camp...it just wasn't worth playing anymore.

To do it all in WoW you can't have a life. For me when I was in the 18-23 demographic...that was fine. I had so much free time it didn't matter.

To Logan, don't give up hope! WoW can't go on forever. I think if you really wanted to break the chain, try to take your girl on a really long vacation, somewhere for a long time...find out something she's always wanted to do in life and find a way to do it. Making her choose between a place she's always dreamed of visiting vs. not going to play WoW may give her some grounding...or at least help her see how the game is influencing her life.

I like your advice at the end. I love gaming, but I'll never place myself in a position again where I sacrifice my real social life, for one on a game.
 

Lonan

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I would just like to put in here that no blame should be put on Blizzard for making such a good game. The blame belongs on those who lack discipline.
 

werepossum

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Interesting article. Is it not possible to play WOW on a more casual basis? I'm not necessarily saying that your wife should play WOW on a more casual basis - but is it a particular guild or group of friends she has to keep up with? I can't imagine having to play anything on a nightly basis. If there aren't any now, surely there's an opportunity for a guild that plays once or twice a week. Luckily, my wife seldom plays more than an hour or two at a time (and never WOW), although I'm really good at occupying myself anyway and, after twenty years, it's not like either of us needs a lot of attention.

Chickenlord, men who cook generally do so because they enjoy it. Men who don't enjoy cooking and whose wives don't cook order pizza.
 

legomyegos

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WoW i never thought Wow could really impact ones marriage like this. It's a good thing I'm single
 

runedeadthA

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I have to thank you for this article, as it has shed some light on my own flaws in terms of gaming. I don;t play WoW ( Grinding is my mortal enemy) but I do have problems of my own. Mostly involving to much time on computer and not focusing enough on schoolwork. I think my problem is, is that im trying to do to much when I don't have the time or space to do so. I Feel rage when I play games and whenever I can't use my Microphone I'm unable to vent it. I think moderation is needed and force it on, no matter how much it is resisted.
 

maddog015

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My wife and I had the same situation. I quit and she kept playing for another year. I'm not sure if she was as hardcore as your wife was, but there might've been a few days where she spent way too long on there. I was lucky, though. We commuted into work together and always had dinner together, so we did spend time together. And when it was game time for her, it was game time for me. I had a library of games to catch up on, so that's what I did when she played. It was sad that we were in two different worlds, yet only a few feet apart.

But, its okay. She quit WoW. Now we play WAR together. Will the same thing happen again?
 

Sifer2

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Well with any luck she will just one day burn out on WoW. That's what happened for me. At some point it just started to be repetitive an unfun and I just stopped. I guess some people really do get addicted though. One big thing is when you get attached to "fake" online friends. People you probably will never meet. You start playing just to help them an feel like if you stop your letting them down. You should'nt let yourself get that close to online people an if you quit they will survive. You should make sure she knows that.
 

Jomero

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Marriage is an equal partnership. Your needs are just as important as your wife's. At the end of your article, you sound resolved to just "suck it up" for the sake of not rocking the proverbial boat. That's the exact same (and wrong) attitude that many spouses in an abusive relationship resolve to. You are not so different from those spouses. Except you're not abused; you're neglected.

If this is a problem and you don't address it, it's not going to go away. It's just going to fester within you until one day it all comes out in an explosive or implosive way. And that won't be pretty.

You have two options, if you want to stay in this marriage.

1. You talk to your wife (in a calm, very NON angry way) and make it plainly known (no hinting, dancing around, or implying) how much she is neglecting your needs and how much it is hurting you that she is placing the computer as more a priority than you.

2. You let it go. You completely and totally (100%) accept your wife and her game playing and re-evaluate what your needs are and bring them in line as to how she is fulfilling them.

I don't recommend option 2. But if you go that route, you can't harbor resentment. At all. Anywhere. You have to accept your wife unconditionally, because you made the choice to go with option 2.

On the flip side, you also have to meet her half-way. If some of her needs aren't being met by you then you've got to step up. Like I said: Marriage is an equal partnership.

-Jomero
 

The Random One

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I've never met a girl gamer (sigh), but I've lost contact with my best friend from high school, and his last words to me were "I'm going to try out Ragnarok Online, it looks really cool."

MMORPGS devour lives.
 

Rassan

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I been a gamer for years but when I went from Warcraft 3 to World of Warcraft in 2006 man did I neglect stuff in life, when I look behind the years I spent on one game, I simply lost interest in WoW itself in late 2008. Hope people can do the same and stop neglecting relationships with wives, parents, friends, etc.
 

DayDark

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I mainly don't play mmo's because of this, not because I don't think they're good, I'm sure they're great, I just know myself well enough to know that I have to stay away from stuff like that, I'm the kinda guy that can get addicted, so rather having to fight the craving, I just don't start that battle at all, already have those battles with other games, and they aren't even mmo's.
 

Onyx Oblivion

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Your wife needs a WoW Intervention...Just send me all of your money and I'll make sure that she can't afford to play WoW...Bwa ha ha! Bwa ha ha! *cough* *wheeze*