2.2 Million PSN users credit card details up for sale.

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TimeLord

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Sony stated themselves that they NEVER EVER required or stored the CVC code (or whatever it's name) in their system. At all.
I call bull on that one. I trust sony more than a vague Kotaku post!
Agreed. I call astronomical amounts of bullshit!

All it takes is for one fanboy against Sony or a disgruntled PS3 owner to make up this nonsense to frighten everyone and kick up a storm.
God damn scaremongering isn't what people need when the think their credit cards might have been stolen!
 

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My question is why any of this is stored, at all. Shouldn't the credit card information be thrown away as soon as the transaction is completed? Seems like the safest way to handle them to me.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
I have a PS3, but I haven't actually bought anything from their online store.


Sort of glad I didn't :D
Oh thank you, that's so helpful.

D:

Seriously, can some major banking organisation "buy" these detail just to figure out whose cards have been compromised and act accordingly. I know they are funding crime but surely it's cheaper than trying to clear up the mess of defrauding money later on?

On the security code issue, how much damage could they do with just my card number but without security code? 3-4 digit code can't be that hard to crack.
 

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I feel like a bunch of news websites are holding no hope in Sony. I do, I think they can pull themselves back together once they're out of this. It'll take some time for the trust to be rebuilt, but hey. I think they can do it.
 

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Zukhramm said:
My question is why any of this is stored, at all. Shouldn't the credit card information be thrown away as soon as the transaction is completed? Seems like the safest way to handle them to me.
But in a world of monthly fees and people that don't want to enter their information over and over again, information is stored for those conveniences.

Something tells me that you haven't ever bought a membership to anything online(something that renews when the membership period is up).

A couple examples: Now since I have a 360, I pay for Xbox Live. Right now I am running on a yearly plan, but before I was on a monthly plan. In the beginning when I bought my 360, I got a three month gold card and put it on my account. After that, I put in my debit card information and picked a monthly plan. Every time the equivalent of a month when by, the 7 or 8 dollars it was at the time for Live membership automatically came out of my account, that way I wouldn't have to be inconvenienced by having to take time to re-up it when I got on again. With my yearly plan, when the year is up they will charge me the amount that I payed last time for a year. If I want, before that happens I can go in an cancel it, or I can change it back to a monthly plan.

Second, I'm a member of the publishers club here on the Escapist. I entered my information here to pay for it last year. They automatically re-uped it for me this year.

In those to instances, how do you think that two parties automatically charged my account when the time came? They have my information saved and they us it to charge me.

With most things like this, a few days to a week before the next charge comes, places usually send out an e-mail to the customer that the next charge time is coming(to give the people time to cancel if they want to). I got an e-mail a few weeks ago from the Escapist saying that my membership would be expiring and if I did nothing they would just charge me again to keep it going. Since I wanted to keep my membership, I did nothing and I was charged.

That is how most transactions work online.

In the case of the PS3, since it doesn't have membership fees, people have their info on there for buying downloadable items and games. Many people don't want to have the inconvenience of having to keep entering their info in over and over again, so they tell the system that they want their info to be remembered so that it can automatically be put in and charge them the next time they buy and item or a game.

The same goes for Amazon.com. I have my debit card information saved on my account there. When I make a purchase, at check out, I click the pip that is in front of the saved card I want to use to purchase the item. Since the system has my information already, it can automatically charge me after I put in my password again for the system to make sure it is really me.

The only online store that I know of that doesn't give me that option to save my info is the game store on the Nintendo Wii.

What I have said is how the majority of people pay for things online, they give the company their information and anytime something needs to be charged, the company can do it automatically, so that the consumer doesn't have to be inconvenienced by having to take the five extra minutes it can sometimes take to re-enter all their card information over again.

Yes the information could be stolen, but in many cases it is a rare occurrence. I have only ever had one little scare. I got a call from my credit union saying that somebody had called and claimed to be me and tried to get a transfer of money from my account. It didn't work, not just because I have a phone password with the bank, but because the idiot that called them was a woman that claimed to be me, point being that the teller looked up my info and saw that I was a guy.
 

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Er, the story pretty much says they may be. The title is entirely miss-leading.
 

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Sonic Doctor said:
Something tells me that you haven't ever bought a membership to anything online(something that renews when the membership period is up).
You need to stop trusting you "something". But most of what cards have been used to on PSN has most likely not been renewing subscriptions, and therefore that is no reason to store all of the info.

As for keeping the information so you don't have to type it in, I don't see why that couldn't be done locally.
 

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TheSunandTheMoon said:
So, while all you PSN players are sitting at home waiting for your online to come back, I will be on my 360, playing Black Ops online, thinking of you all
>Credit Card owners
>Can't afford two consoles
Yeah. OK.
Either way, go on steam guys lol.
 

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Kungfu_Teddybear said:
Daystar Clarion said:
I have a PS3, but I haven't actually bought anything from their online store.


Sort of glad I didn't :D
I did buy stuff off mine, but lucky for me the card I last used on it expired so I'm safe.
Fortunately mine did too! But it's still worrying that they have all this info. Anyone else notice a severe increase in spam mail? I have.
 

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this article is nothing more than speculation. all it has is one guy claiming that a couple internet creeps are claiming that they have credit card info stolen from sony. no facts, not even probabilities, just "he said that they said that they got some card #'s". Whoever wrote the article even concludes it by saying that there's a healthy chance none of it is even true.
 

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Zukhramm said:
Sonic Doctor said:
Something tells me that you haven't ever bought a membership to anything online(something that renews when the membership period is up).
You need to stop trusting you "something". But most of what cards have been used to on PSN has most likely not been renewing subscriptions, and therefore that is no reason to store all of the info.

As for keeping the information so you don't have to type it in, I don't see why that couldn't be done locally.
Well, if you have bought a membership to something online, your card info is saved somewhere by them, even if you say that you don't want automatic resubscribe.

I don't know if you read the whole comment I typed before, as I said before people don't want to enter it in locally themselves because they don't want to waist the five extra minutes it sometimes takes to re-enter the info if it isn't saved in the system. For people that make frequent purchases, that extra five minutes can add up. I and most other people would rather take that time to do more important things like play the game we are purchasing or going to fix something to eat while the game is downloading or take out the trash.
 

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TheSunandTheMoon said:
So, while all you PSN players are sitting at home waiting for your online to come back, I will be on my 360, playing Black Ops online, thinking of you all
Good for you, I wouldn't play that game even if someone paid me to do it. BTW the term is PS3 players, not PSN, I can play my exclusives like Uncharted and Demon's Souls without it :)
 

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TheSunandTheMoon said:
So, while all you PSN players are sitting at home waiting for your online to come back, I will be on my 360, playing Black Ops online, thinking of you all
I didn't create this thread to start a console flame war. If you don't have anything relevant to say don't say anything at all.
 

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Kungfu_Teddybear said:
TheSunandTheMoon said:
So, while all you PSN players are sitting at home waiting for your online to come back, I will be on my 360, playing Black Ops online, thinking of you all
I didn't create this thread to start a console flame war. If you don't have anything relevant to say don't say anything at all.
It's a forum, it's expected, as much as I'd like for maybe one Sony topic to not go this way to make it easier for people to keep track of the updates and without having to wade through shit, we're not going to get it as there is always someone stirring the pot.
 

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Treblaine said:
On the security code issue, how much damage could they do with just my card number but without security code? 3-4 digit code can't be that hard to crack.
10,000 (10^4) possible codes from a 4 digit numeric code, 1679616 (36^4) for a 4 digit alphanumeric code. No software package for handling credit card transactions is going to let you sit there and fire away that many attempts at the CVC and with a realtime connection to the CC companies' verification servers, you can bet that after a set number of failed attempts they suspend they suspend the card.
 

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rockavitch said:
TheSunandTheMoon said:
So, while all you PSN players are sitting at home waiting for your online to come back, I will be on my 360, playing Black Ops online, thinking of you all
Good for you, I wouldn't play that game even if someone paid me to do it. BTW the term is PS3 players, not PSN, I can play my exclusives like Uncharted and Demon's Souls without it :)
Then wouldn't that mean he was right? If you just play on PSN you are doing nothing right now, if you play PS3 in general you can still play single player games... Just saying.
 

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It should probably be pointed out, as it was in the other thread on this, that some of the information that the "hackers" claim to have wasn't included in the things that PSN asks for, so this whole "selling the cards" thing is likely bogus.

Yes, people are claiming to have them. To quote the other thread, I can put a "Moon for Sale" entry on Craid's list, but it doesn't make it true.