2 is the Real Magic Number

[-Drifter-]

I realize he isn't technically a vampire. But he acts like one. And his name is 'Vamp.'
Both of those things qualify him as "pretty pathetic" in my book. At least Praying Mantis doesn't go around pretending he's a bug. And suggestively licking knives.

He was supposed to be creepy like that and his habits are probably inspired by vampires. Whether he was succesful in the creepiness is subjective. His voice actor was still pretty good either way.

And actually his name is because he's bisexual, make of that what you will.

I didn't like Twin Snakes either. I'm talking about the real MGS1.

Also, any idea why they changed everyone's accent?

It's practically the same game with PS2 level gameplay and updated cinematics (some cooler, some just ridiculous, at least for that character, usually Snake).

They also changed the controls to what was used in MGS2 and 3, and made the cut-scenes longer/more full of bullshit. Also, as far as Vamp's voice actor being good, I'd have to disagree. You can't get much cheesier without being Two Worlds.

I suppose the removal of accents would annoy someone who heard the characters with them first, but it's all the same or the opposite for someone who played TS first. Many people will point out however that it didn't make any sense that Mei Ling had an accent in the first place, which is probably why they had her speak without it.

Don't remember whether if Naomi character had an accent

She did. It was British.

 

[Mr. Purple]

Lol, I think that 64 was the magic number.

Playing some nintendo 64 games again, and Ive realized that they got it right with that system. The games were great. They should just remake all N64 games for the next Gen consoles.

Imagine how great they could be. O.O

 

[delet]

Prince of Persia: Warrior Within (second game). A resounding failure by most people (I'm not most people.) Your thread has thusly been disproved.

READ: "Prince of Persia: Warrior Within"

does it say "Prince of Persia 2"?
no. it way be the second game, but there is no "2"

you have been disproved.

Look at that new Final Destination movie. I believe it was the fourth one. Did it have a "4" in it? no. Is it regarded widely as "Final Destination 4?" Yes. Point un-disproved.

 

[Axeli]

I realize he isn't technically a vampire. But he acts like one. And his name is 'Vamp.'
Both of those things qualify him as "pretty pathetic" in my book. At least Praying Mantis doesn't go around pretending he's a bug. And suggestively licking knives.

He was supposed to be creepy like that and his habits are probably inspired by vampires. Whether he was succesful in the creepiness is subjective. His voice actor was still pretty good either way.

And actually his name is because he's bisexual, make of that what you will.

I didn't like Twin Snakes either. I'm talking about the real MGS1.

Also, any idea why they changed everyone's accent?

It's practically the same game with PS2 level gameplay and updated cinematics (some cooler, some just ridiculous, at least for that character, usually Snake).

They also changed the controls to what was used in MGS2 and 3, and made the cut-scenes longer/more full of bullshit. Also, as far as Vamp's voice actor being good, I'd have to disagree. You can't get much cheesier without being Two Worlds.

Vamp was supposed to be theatrical, can't blame the actor for that.

And I did mention the change of controls earlier, and that the action in cutscenes was made more impressive or cheesier depending on the scene.
But "Bullshit" is a crude way to state your opinion and I don't think I need to pay attention to that one if all you have is a profanity (though a profanity and a proper argument together are perfectly fine with me).

But on overall, I find it odd that you claim you loved MGS but hated MGS:TS. They are with some slight graphical, gameplay and cinematic differences still pretty much the same game. Makes me wonder if you are just oversensitive about the developpers daring to deviate from the original work.

 

[-Drifter-]

But on overall, I find it odd that you claim you loved MGS but hated MGS:TS. They are with some slight graphical, gameplay and cinematic differences still pretty much the same game. Makes me wonder if you are just oversensitive about the developpers daring to deviate from the original work.

The differences don't seem so slight to me. I don't care if they deviate from the original (which I played last, actually.) I just care that it's a good game. As far as I'm concerned, MGS2 is not. I found it complicated, irritating, and over done.

 

[Spiner909]

I say one is the number. Because it spawns the rest.

 

[Axeli]

But on overall, I find it odd that you claim you loved MGS but hated MGS:TS. They are with some slight graphical, gameplay and cinematic differences still pretty much the same game. Makes me wonder if you are just oversensitive about the developpers daring to deviate from the original work.

The differences don't seem so slight to me. I don't care if they deviate from the original (which I played last, actually.) I just care that it's a good game. As far as I'm concerned, MGS2 is not. I found it complicated, irritating, and over done.

Ah, okay, excuse me in that case.

I agree that the last parts were unneccessarily convoluted, although the mind-fuckery that went along side with it was actually pretty awesome.

Spoiler

I mean, seriously Snake just betrayed me, the fourth wall came crashing down, insane conspiracy theory is revealed along with some really confusing relation between Raiden and Solidus... and Raiden is running around the Arsenal Gear butt naked. What the fuck just happened?
"So bad that it's good" might actually apply, now that I think of it. They went so overboard with convolutedness that the effect of confusion actually become rather amazing... The fact that the fourth wall comes crashing down at exactly the same time would imply this was very much as intended. This is what I guess you were talking about when you said "over-done". It's over-done, but perhaps to achieve a certain effect.

However the S3 plan seemed like stretch to even me, though I probably would have appreciated it more had I played MGS1 first.
And really, the face-off between Raiden and Solidus was awesome enough to make me forget the last ten minutes of gibberish.

There's also some nice subtlety to the player-protagonist relationship in the game that really culminates with the overall confusion combined with the fourth wall breaking at Arsenal Gear. Most people don't notice the hints the game keeps giving you, that you are not just playing as Raiden, but you are a part of Raiden.

It's in the end a matter of opinion if you like any of that, and I suppose I see why you might not. I'm not sure if there's point in continuing this discussion anymore, but if you want to comment further, I will answer.

 

[ButanicXpandA]

nothing to do with games or sequels or anything.... but i think 0 is the best number... for without it numbers would reach as far as 9..

or better yet.. wouldnt reach 1

 

[Drayke]

Have you ever noticed that 2 is just right.Is it just me or do games just go downhill after that? Your thoughts?

Super Mario Bros 2?
Super Mario Bros 3...

 

[Twilight_guy]

There is nothing else to add. Three is the magic number.

 

[-Drifter-]

Spoiler

But on overall, I find it odd that you claim you loved MGS but hated MGS:TS. They are with some slight graphical, gameplay and cinematic differences still pretty much the same game. Makes me wonder if you are just oversensitive about the developpers daring to deviate from the original work.

The differences don't seem so slight to me. I don't care if they deviate from the original (which I played last, actually.) I just care that it's a good game. As far as I'm concerned, MGS2 is not. I found it complicated, irritating, and over done.

Ah, okay, excuse me in that case.

I agree that the last parts were unneccessarily convoluted, although the mind-fuckery that went along side with it was actually pretty awesome. I mean, seriously Snake just betrayed me, the fourth wall came crashing down, insane conspiracy theory is revealed along with some really confusing relation between Raiden and Solidus... and Raiden is running around the Arsenal Gear butt naked. What the fuck just happened?
"So bad that it's good" might actually apply, now that I think of it. They went so overboard with convolutedness that the effect of confusion actually become rather amazing... The fact that the fourth wall comes crashing down at exactly the same time would imply this was very much as intended. This is what I guess you were talking about when you said "over-done". It's over-done, but perhaps to achieve a certain effect.

However the S3 plan seemed like stretch to even me, though I probably would have appreciated it more had I played MGS1 first.
And really, the face-off between Raiden and Solidus was awesome enough to make me forget the last ten minutes of gibberish.
There's also some nice subtlety to the player-protagonist relationship in the game that really culminates with the overall confusion combined with the fourth wall breaking at Arsenal Gear. Most people don't notice the hints the game keeps giving you, that you are not just playing as Raiden, but you are a part of Raiden.

It's in the end a matter of opinion if you like any of that, and I suppose I see why you might not. I'm not sure if there's point in continuing this discussion anymore, but if you want to comment further, I will answer.

Nah, I'm good. By the way, you may want to post some of that in spoiler tags, for those who haven't finished the game.

 

[Axeli]

Nah, I'm good. By the way, you may want to post some of that in spoiler tags, for those who haven't finished the game.

It was actually pretty vague (even though I didn't actually think about that), probably enough for a game that old, but might as well.

You might want to put that part under spoiler tags in the quote too.

 

[_zuul]

Look at that new Final Destination movie. I believe it was the fourth one. Did it have a "4" in it? no. Is it regarded widely as "Final Destination 4?" Yes. Point un-disproved.

UGH

IS THERE A NUMBER IN THE TITLE?

that was my stupid joke. not what people regard it as in the franchise.

how was it over your head? wow.


BTW. you didn't disprove me. the title of that movie is NOT "Final Destination 4".

 

[TsunamiWombat]

But ~One is the loneliest number you'll ever doooooooo
Two, can be as bad as one, the loneliest number 'since the number one~

You can stop now guys, Commi wins.

Damn Commies winning our internets.

 

[-Drifter-]

Nah, I'm good. By the way, you may want to post some of that in spoiler tags, for those who haven't finished the game.

It was actually pretty vague (even though I didn't actually think about that), probably enough for a game that old, but might as well.

You might want to put that part under spoiler tags in the quote too.

Good point.

 

[delet]

Look at that new Final Destination movie. I believe it was the fourth one. Did it have a "4" in it? no. Is it regarded widely as "Final Destination 4?" Yes. Point un-disproved.

UGH

IS THERE A NUMBER IN THE TITLE?

that was my stupid joke. not what people regard it as in the franchise.

how was it over your head? wow.


BTW. you didn't disprove me. the title of that movie is NOT "Final Destination 4".

But when referred to, people call it "Final Destination 4." Truly, what people regard as the norm IS the norm. If a greater group of people decide that blue is now equivalent to cheese, without changing the words of course, then blue is now cheese. The "2" in Warrior Within is implied just as the "You" is implied in the sentence "Take out the trash"

You stupid joke is just that buddeh; stupid. Trying to make me out for an idiot is simply insulting and nothing more.

 

[_zuul]

But when referred to, people call it "Final Destination 4." Truly, what people regard as the norm IS the norm. If a greater group of people decide that blue is now equivalent to cheese, without changing the words of course, then blue is now cheese. The "2" in Warrior Within is implied just as the "You" is implied in the sentence "Take out the trash"

You stupid joke is just that buddeh; stupid. Trying to make me out for an idiot is simply insulting and nothing more.

again, you talk about what people regard and infer.
i'm talking about what the official title is.