2 NYPD Officers "Executed" by man claiming revenge for Garner and Brown

[loa]

I'm hearing about the police executing people on almost a weekly basis over at america and basically flaunting them being above the law in a blatant fashion.
As sad as this is, what surprises me most is that something like this took so long to take place in a country where basically everyone runs around with a gun.
This is why you have those after all, right? To fight a corrupted government, right?
So this man was just exercising his rights, wasn't he?

considering that the Ferguson-Riots have had no problems excusing violence and looting

You keep eating that selective media bullshit up, buddy.
I'm sure more willful ignorance will only help in this situation.

 

[Thaluikhain]

What he did was totally wrong, of course, but that is not to say that he must have been mentally ill. People commit terrible crimes all the time without being mentally ill.

 

[stroopwafel]

It occurs to me, that the gunman is quite clearly deranged and is co-opting a controversy as justification for murder. I think it's very unfortunate what the fallout for this attack will be. It adds a very sour note to any debate that can be had about the current situation and will lead to police officers being afraid to defend themselves and do their duty in fear of future revenge attacks. These officers had nothing to do with the cases and to be killed in such an awful way at such an awful time, is a a truly terrible thing.

Exactly this. The psychopath who killed these 2 cops merely tried to use some lame justification to get some post-mortem media attention. Clearly he was tired of life anyway so why not go down with a little infamy eh? It's sad another 2 lives were wasted this way and that this prick burdened these officer's families with unspeakable grief. There are bad apples everywhere but most cops just try to do their jobs and keep the public safe, often under ungrateful and hostile circumstances. Not only that, but they have to put their life on the line for what is often just minimal or moderate pay as well.

Makes me long for the day cops are replaced by robots. ''You have 5 seconds to drop your weapon. 5..4..3..''

 

[DocMcCray]

Without meaning to sound as tho I even remotely condone such heinous murder, if it should come to pass that police officers would hesitate to shoot sooner, then that is a good thing. American police are murderers who have killed so many people, many of whom recently have been found to be a combination of innocent and unarmed.

In 2013, there were 110 police killed in the line of duty. (Source: http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013)

In 2013, there were 320 people killed by police... no distinction between justified or not. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2013)

Perhaps you shouldn't take small examples and make it seem like police are nothing more serial murders and genocidal maniacs.

 

[000Ronald]

This is an incredibly tragic turn of events, and I sincerely hope that it doesn't lead to more violence. That is the last thing we, as a country, need right now.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Without meaning to sound as tho I even remotely condone such heinous murder, if it should come to pass that police officers would hesitate to shoot sooner, then that is a good thing.

Er...how would it do this? Police just got another object lesson about how the general public are a danger to them. The usual justification for the police shooting a member of the public is that they felt they constituted a danger.

 

[Shadowstar38]

That's unfortunate...

For awhile now I wished everyone would quit the rioting against other citizens and actually do something against the racist cops causing the problems. I'd be fine if Darren Wilson were shot, but as far as we know these were just normal duty bound officers.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Without meaning to sound as tho I even remotely condone such heinous murder, if it should come to pass that police officers would hesitate to shoot sooner, then that is a good thing. American police are murderers who have killed so many people, many of whom recently have been found to be a combination of innocent and unarmed.

In 2013, there were 110 police killed in the line of duty. (Source: http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013)

In 2013, there were 320 people killed by police... no distinction between justified or not. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2013)

Perhaps you shouldn't take small examples and make it seem like police are nothing more serial murders and genocidal maniacs.

The question there is 'How many of those Officers weren't killed specifically because they killed their attacker first?' Also, it's incredibly easy for police to summon medical aid for themselves, they just have to give the proper 10 code over their radio. Which surely cuts down on the number of police deaths.

 

[Thaluikhain]

The question there is 'How many of those Officers weren't killed specifically because they killed their attacker first?' Also, it's incredibly easy for police to summon medical aid for themselves, they just have to give the proper 10 code over their radio. Which surely cuts down on the number of police deaths.

Also (though the link doesn't work for me at the mo so I can't check) "killed in the line of duty" often doesn't just include being deliberately killed, it also covers accidents at work. These officers still gave their lives to the community, but didn't need to fear being murdered.

 

[Thaluikhain]

It should also be noted that the amount of people who were killed by police is insanely inaccurate, because there is no oversight and those numbers are simply voluntarily reported, with most departments simply not reporting, or reporting inaccurate numbers because they choose not to include certain killings, such as ones that they determine were justified. Other estimates actually put the number at 1000 or more. But the truth is, there's no objective way to determine how many people have been killed by police officers, because the government doesn't care to keep track of it.

Wait...what? Surely that is something you can't not keep track of?

It's also interesting to note that police dying of heart attacks and such on the job is also included in the overall total, and this is up from 8 in 2012 to 18 in 2013. This likely correlates to the fact that it was concluded that police officers are now the most obese profession in America [http://time.com/3637967/police-officers-fattest-profession-study/].

Eh, the link between obesity and heart disease is a bit tenuous. Isn't it something like your weight in pounds times 703, divided by your height in inches squared, and if the number is more than 30, you are officially obese?

 

[omega 616]

I think I am going to walk away with "the most callous" comment award.

Until America gets its gun laws sorted out, I can't say how sad I am about cop killings, school shootings or any other gun related violence 'cos you've made your beds and refused to change them. You can't bang on about how sad all this is and still say "we need guns, it's in our constitution".

You want guns, you get cops killings and school shootings. Sorry, it's just the way it is and no "cooling off period" will stop that.

 

[Thaluikhain]

You'd think so, but no, it very much is something they don't have to [http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-police-statistics-20141217-story.html] and many don't care to [http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-its-a-crime-that-we-dont-know-how-many-people-police-shoot-to-death/2014/12/01/adedcb00-7998-11e4-b821-503cc7efed9e_story.html] keep track of.

Huh.

Until America gets its gun laws sorted out, I can't say how sad I am about cop killings, school shootings or any other gun related violence 'cos you've made your beds and refused to change them. You can't bang on about how sad all this is and still say "we need guns, it's in our constitution".

You want guns, you get cops killings and school shootings. Sorry, it's just the way it is and no "cooling off period" will stop that.

Who is this "you"? Plenty of people in the US don't want their nation to be full of guns.

 

[spartan231490]

It adds a very sour note to any debate that can be had about the current situation and will lead to police officers being afraid to defend themselves and do their duty in fear of future revenge attacks.

Without meaning to sound as tho I even remotely condone such heinous murder, if it should come to pass that police officers would hesitate to shoot sooner, then that is a good thing. American police are murderers who have killed so many people, many of whom recently have been found to be a combination of innocent and unarmed.

The fact that a jury found no cause to investigate the wrongful killings by police in recent weeks and months is a disgrace to the US of the worst sort. Something needs to be done to reign in police officers, to take away some of their power and make them realise they are there to serve and protect civilians, not rule over them and take their lives when they feel like it. Murdering is not the way, granted, it needs to be a systemic change within the legal, political and law enforcement system. But a change is needed.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Of course this is a tragedy, but the result painted as "bad" in this article would actually be very good. The lack of indictment in the Eric Garner case is an insult to every American that believes in freedom or justice. But it's not the only such insult: http://www.westernjournalism.com/ignorance-no-excuse-wrongdoing-unless-youre-cop/ http://thefreethoughtproject.com/innocent-man-raided-tased-beaten-shot-corrupt-swat-team-lied-raid/ the list goes on. There is a disturbing lack of accountability built into the system. Where police officers should be held to a higher standard, they are instead granted the authority to do whatever they want and get away with it.

So no, I don't really feel sad. I just feel weary. Weary of all the fucking bullshit.

 

[Albetta]

This is 100% the fault of the police. If they had just accepted wrongdoing and given their officer a fair trial for Garner's death, this wouldn't have happened.

 

[Parasondox]

This is 100% the fault of the police. If they had just accepted wrongdoing and given their officer a fair trial for Garner's death, this wouldn't have happened.

So two wrongs make a right? Really? 100%? You are going to mark and judge an entire group by the actions of a small few? and I am talking about both sides here. NO ONE deserves to be killed and NO ONE should be killed through revenge and thinking, "Well they did it to us, so we can do it back to them". That's not how problems are sorted.

There should be a fair trial yes but not with more blood being spilt.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Err wouldn't this only reinforce the enforcer to keep carry on the way it is now under the excuse of self defence?

Even then it is no way justify for the killer to acted the way he/ she comminted as I for one still don't sterotyped the entire police force in America (yes I am aware of alot of police killing black people lately but I have seen some minor news post of police people comminted good deed to the people)! For we all, the two killed officers were in fact nice people in general!

 

[Albetta]

This is 100% the fault of the police. If they had just accepted wrongdoing and given their officer a fair trial for Garner's death, this wouldn't have happened.

So two wrongs make a right? Really? 100%? You are going to mark and judge an entire group by the actions of a small few? and I am talking about both sides here. NO ONE deserves to be killed and NO ONE should be killed through revenge and thinking, "Well they did it to us, so we can do it back to them". That's not how problems are sorted.

There should be a fair trial yes but not with more blood being spilt.

I didn't even imply that this was a good thing. It's obviously only going to make things worse, but the central problem here is and always has been police conduct, and nothing can change that.

 

[nightmare_gorilla]

This is a tragedy it's always a tragedy when a human being dies. but it's not terribly surprising. For the record I hope no cop ever dies, but they've very much encouraged this "us-VS-them" attitude with the public. Instead of acting like protectors they are acting like wardens and we're all convicts. I just read a story on Yahoo about a botched swat raid where they threw a flashbang into a baby's crib and burned this baby over half his body some places down to the bone. the family was lied to and told the baby was fine until they got to the hospital hours later once the swat team realized they were at the WRONG HOUSE. Now this family is facing millions in medical bills, most likley this child will go through life as a cripple or horribly scarred, and no one on the police force admits to any wrong doing, the parents are receiving no compensation because the state is immune to negligence lawsuits. I hope that I never find myself in that position but can you imagine your child being injured that horrifically and just being told "sorry guy, walk it off." I can imagine that would lead to some unpleasant thoughts of retribution.

Obviously to take a life you need to be kind of crazy, to plan it out and prepare for it takes a disturbed mind. But they are certainly making it easy for disturbed minds to come to this conclusion.