40% of College Students get this question wrong. AND IT MAKES ME ANGRY!

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iTeamKill

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Erana said:
"Fake?"
FAKE?

As an art major, I work my ass off. Ask anyone in the IRC; I'm always doing working. I'm here taking a break from doing art, then going back for more.

I'm sorry, but if you seriously think that the arts aren't real majors, you obviously know nothing about it.
yeah... but did you solve a problem? did you feed anyone with it? transport them to work? sort records? order parts? fix anything? build something?
 

zen5887

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Yeah, I'm a music major. I have no idea about this stuff, and I don't really care.

In fact, I would wager there are a lot of majors, apart from the math, science and engineering that feel the same way.

I could drop a music question, then rage because a load of collage educated people couldn't get it right, it would make about as much sense as this.
 

BonsaiK

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iTeamKill said:
BonsaiK said:
I've got a bachelor degree and I don't even understand the question!

Mind you, I'm qualified in a profession that doesn't need this type of calculation.
Must be a politician...


Zing!
Even worse - music industry...
 

StBishop

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As many others have said, it really doesn't make sence out of context especially to someone who doesn't use maths on a regular basis. I had to go look in the maths curriculum to find out what it was called in Australia to jog my memory. I can't even think of a single reson you would want to expand it, and I'm studying a Ba. Science.

I would assume you wanted me to solve what x= and then tell you I need more info.
 

Rational-Delirium

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Well, once I figured out that ^2 meant to the power of 2, I got it. High school math. We were doing parabolas at the time, I believe. But being in a FAKE major and learning how the "Free World" is run, I don't have time for lines on graphs.
 

PunchClockVillain

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I'd wager that over 40% of college graduates will never need to use this anyways. That doesn't mean that they should have basic algebra skills, but I can see it not being a big deal for them. No real reason to get too worked up. BTW I'm a senior in engineering, so I have almost a minor in mathematics, and yes I answered it right before I looked at the solution.
 

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zen5887 said:
Yeah, I'm a music major. I have no idea about this stuff, and I don't really care.

In fact, I would wager there are a lot of majors, apart from the math, science and engineering that feel the same way.

I could drop a music question, then rage because a load of collage educated people couldn't get it right, it would make about as much sense as this.
I disagree, math always applies. Music doesn't.
 

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Heh I couldn't do that right off the top of my head, but I can run a spreadsheet with 100s of debits and credits find errors, create graphs, plot the trends, isolate variables, and create any kind of graph you want, etc using peachtree or excel, which is infinitely more useful than foiling things :p

Lack of knowledge in something even as "basic" in this isn't so bad. As a poli sci, and business major there are areas where I could run circles around people, and feign anger that people don't know basic aspects of my study but I don't.
 

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I know the answer (though FOIL might throw some people off because that's a pretty specific mnemonic), but why is this even remotely depressing?

This is a largely pointless exercise for the vast majority of people that relies not on any deep understanding of mathematics, but on simply learning a step-by-step procedure to produce the expanded form. In fact, you are EXPRESSLY asking for that unthinking, mechanistic procedure by asking them to FOIL it rather than just expand it. Being able to FOIL means NOTHING. You can teach anyone to foil so long as they know/have access to a basic multiplication table. They may have no idea what they're doing, but they'll still be able to do it. A better question would be how many people STILL can't grasp the concept of variables.

But really, the main point is still that this is a pretty useless bit of information for the vast, vast majority of people and it doesn't sadden me at all to know that 40% of people studying completely unrelated things in college don't know it. In fact, I'm surprised the number is so low.
 

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buggy65 said:
College is supposed to be a place of higher learning. To get into college you must also pass high school and a number of exams. Yet, based on a recent campus wide survey conducted at my school 40% of college students cannot FOIL. I am a math major and this saddens and angers me. So Escapist, I ask you:

FOIL: (x+3)^2
EDIT: FOIL also means Expand...

Please put your answers in spoiler tags so people can't cheat without actively looking. To do a spoiler tag you place [mathspoiler]{content}[/mathspoiler] but remove the "math" part.

Remember, 40 freakin' percent fail at this. Try not to be one of them.

The correct answer is
Are you kidding me? 40%?!
(x^2 + 6x + 9)
 

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Well yay I got it right, but I know at least two college students who probably wouldn't get it (and one definitely wouldn't, but she's in art school and had a total crap public school education plus was misdiagnosed ADD instead of AS). Oh, and I'm 32. College was a while ago, and I have certainly not done much to keep math skills up.

It was Calc 2 that killed math for me. The teacher walks in, first day of class and first time I'd had him for anything, and the first thing he says is, "Well, we really can't prove that the number 1 means anything at all. Thus, all of mathematics is pretty much bogus." I said to myself, "I'm so failing this class." And I did.
 

FightThePower

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Basic quadratics. This is the stuff that's taught at 13/14 years old.

Mind you, some people hate Maths so much they'll never touch it after they passed their mandatory exam.
 

fanklok

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Sigh I'll even be good and show my work

(x+3)^2
(x+3)(x+3)
first: x*x=x^2
outer: x*3=3x
inner: x*3=3x
last: 3*3=9
x^2+3x+3x+9
x^2+6x+9

something I haven't used in years and I still know it
 

AnonymsWarrior

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Frankly im not surprised that people can't remember or never learned this. Im guessing this topic was probably aimed at the straight outta school college demographic, because there's no way you can expect a 20-30 year old who's done arts/music all their life to know this. However, anyone younger than this really should know that regardless. It's a basic maths problem that's been shoved in my face since 10th grade, and they've taught it every single term since then, to everyone, even now in 12th grade.
 

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StBishop said:
zen5887 said:
Yeah, I'm a music major. I have no idea about this stuff, and I don't really care.

In fact, I would wager there are a lot of majors, apart from the math, science and engineering that feel the same way.

I could drop a music question, then rage because a load of collage educated people couldn't get it right, it would make about as much sense as this.
I disagree, math always applies. Music doesn't.
A lot of math does, but that is all the basic stuff. The question that was posted has never, and most likely will never appear in my life again.

And before anyone says "Lawl, music = math"

Unless I study really advance theory or sound engineering, I can avoid that side of it.
 

Pegghead

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Well not all of them are going to be math majors, personally I want to do degrees in game design and literature when I go.
 

The Rockerfly

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To be fair OP, 90% of degrees will have basic algebra in the course and people get rusty from not doing it over time.
X^2+6X+(
I have an AS level in maths so I know but I know a lot of people who have more creative and less logic based qualifications (such as art, photography and media).

Not once is algebra ever used in any of these subjects, also there are a lot of fake qualifications such as surfology (there is one university in the UK that does it) which will never use it either

However I do agree that it's so basic that 40% seems ridiculous but hey there must be more reasons along with my own
 

Sylocat

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x^2 + 6x + 9, correct?

manaman said:
That's not all that surprising to me. You don't need 90% of the math they say you will, if you need anything more then basic math at all. The stuff you don't use on a regular basis has a way of drifting to the dark recesses of your mind. I want sources through, so I can look at the study itself rather then the title you have. It's a travesty how many of these studies have a transparent agenda behind them, and I would rather see what they where asking, and where they where asking, then what they want me to think the results showed.
This. This, and this, and THIS.