47,8% believe in 'psychic' (Norway)

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U71L7Y_F0RMUL4 said:
I don't know if anyone's posted this yet...
I'm with Dara on this one. Though so long as they're not refusing real treatement for anything then it's okay I guess.

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My aunt believes in angels...so much so that even when she is quite financially crippled, she shelled out 100 bucks on a f**king angel decoration to protect her...

She also believes in Fairys because of the existence of Fairy Forts...*facepalm*

I love my aunt but she is insanely superstitious, if I went up to her and said I saw an angel/ghost, she would believe me instantly.
You think that's bad? My aunt actively denies the possibility of aliens in the universe, just simply because there is no place in God's plan for them. The sheer arrogance of that statement boggles my mind.
Your avatar is one of the best I've ever seen!

Captcha: "end of story" Yes! The great Dara has spoken!
Thanks! It's from one of the most embarrassing episodes of Star Trek, if you're unfamiliar with it. It's Season 3 Episode 12, Platos Stepchildren. Certainly worth a watch for being utterly ridiculous. I wish a later scene was as .gif-able, because it involves Kirk acting like a horse while a midget rides him around the room.
 

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Sorry blood, but I don't need to say a word to understand them. I meet someone and I see right through them. I know people before really knowing them. I know when someone's planning something, I know when they lie, and I always know when they've fucked up.
Nobody needs to say a word to me. I'm special. Could be that you are too. Maybe it's actually nothing special at all. I see no reason why not. Maybe everyone can do it, just some of us decide to do it more than others.

Your attitude helps none. Public speakers learn techniques to capture an audience. They learn how to smile, and how to make their eyes sparkle just right. My cousin is a parody of this. His smile...is more like a snarl yet he seems painfully oblivious. The teaching is evident, the learning not so much.

Now I ask you a question. How could it be that I recognised my ex-girlfriend's 'aura' online despite the fake age, nationality and different screenname? And despite the fact she never said a word? This name came up - it was Midnight-something or other, I don't really remember, but it was nothing I'd associate with my ex. Automatically my brain has assigned my ex's name to this character. I told my friend in another conversation about my suspicion, to ensure I didn't accuse myself of retrospective identification, and then proceeded to interrogate the visitor till I found out that yes. It was her. No, sorry, she insisted it wasn't her and was in fact her cousin/friend. The story changed the second time she told it.
OK. Now, there's no way for me to actually disprove what you're saying. But you're aware of the difference between "It's definitely true" and "I want it to be true, I've convinced myself it's true, and I have some circumstantial evidence that fits the narrative I've constructed", right? I don't want to be patronising, and actually I have a bit of a soft spot for the idea of psychic abilities of some description. But for us to be able to take the idea of supernatural (or unsubstantiated preternatural) abilities seriously they have to stand up to a degree of scientific scrutiny - testability, repeatability, blind testing, all that malarkey.

And as ever, Occam's Razor applies. There's the old trick where you get somebody to hold a coin in one of their hands, and hold both closed hands in front of them. Just by looking into their eyes, you can tell with about 90% certainty which hand the coin is in. Now, you could explain this ability by claiming to have some kind of innate dowsing ability that lets you send out a kind of biological radar, and certain objects that are metallic or perhaps are imbued with a certain sentimental value to somebody will tend to resonate and make themselves known to you. Alternatively we could suggest that most people are quite bad at acts of deception and if you look at them square-on, their nose will point slightly toward the coin-hand. Which of those two explanations fits with what we know about the universe, and which ones requires us to fundamentally rethink physics, biology and neuroscience?

To answer your question, what you're describing is a variation on "cold reading" but I think there are probably other details which you didn't tell us (not necessarily because you're trying to trick us, perhaps you didn't feel they were significant). Perhaps you recognised some characteristic way of typing that you associated with your ex, like a typo or an odd way of punctuating or common phrases. Perhaps you already knew that your ex was a user of the site you were on. Could be any of a number of things - basically, I'm suggesting it was actually "warm reading".

Also, if you're really that confident in your abilities, might I suggest you earn yourself some easy money?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

My finder's fee is a humble 10% ;)
 

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Dude hawe you ever heard of placebo healing???This dude is healing people by making people believe in power of his healing ,while they heal themselves by believing in his healing thing... I don't approve this kinda thing, but i know WHY they think it works...
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
I'm pretty sure science has never disproved something like telepathy or psychic abilities.
No, but how can it?

It is as impossible as proving that unicorns do not exist in some remote, never before seen corner of Antarctica or proving that there is not a little black teapot orbiting Pluto.

What Science has done is show us that despite all the claims, not a single person has ever provided proof.
Not a single person, not a single scratch of proof.

Hell, if you really can do it there is even $1 million in it for you!
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

That ought to be proof enough.
 

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What Science has done is show us that despite all the claims, not a single person has ever provided proof.
Not a single person, not a single scratch of proof.

Hell, if you really can do it there is even $1 million in it for you!
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

That ought to be proof enough.
Huh, I thought the Randi challenge had been terminated because so many psychics, telepaths, etc somehow failed to show up to their testing after being told about the circumstances of the test.
 

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dyre said:
His wikipedia page says he helps people for free, so I don't really see what the problem is. At worst, they get a placebo...
On paper, yes. He has published several books, and accepts so-called "gifts" from those wishing to give. He has made millions tricking people into seeking his help rather than actual medical treatment, and most of his success stories are about things such as painful shoulders... Things that commonly cure themselves over time! Some calling it a miracle said it took only 6 weeks and their shoulder felt perfect again! 6 WEEKS?! Some miracle...

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So yeah, there you have it. I shudder to think of the proportion here...[/QUOTE]
Patience. Science is busy tearing shit down at the moment, but give it until world religions are wiped out by logic and I'm sure they'll start bio-engineering horses into unicorns, and getting that warpdrive project back on track. Patience...[/quote]Don't know if I can like a philosophy that must eliminate all contrary thought before progress can be made. Also know of a lot of credible scientists who are religious. Can name several ground-breaking discoveries by religious scientists.


On topic, there will always be thieves and charlatans. There will also be fools. Over there, their problem is naivete. Here it's smugness. I believe the statistic, because many cultures are cramping from a vacuum left in the place religion once held. Many European countries, especially the smaller ones, are trying as hard as they can to cling to some semblance of their old culture. America isn't because they never had one to miss. Unless you're a native, or your families REALLY miss the Old Country.


Objectively speaking, society will continue to progress whether we believe in the supernatural or not, because that doesn't change the fact that we live in a real world and have real problems to deal with. Instead of seeing a religious man abusing the system and making all religious people scapegoats, maybe we should acknowledge true merit, regardless of where it comes from. Hawking would be without a shoulder to stand on without Copernicus, many could argue. Maybe we should also acknowledge that no philosophy has a monopoly on either genius or stupid. What is certain is that progress would be so much faster if we supported our brightest, regardless of background, in the shared goal of a better world.
 

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DarkRawen said:
"Seriously? 47.8 per cent? That has to be some kind of joke!" (BTW, I'm Norwegian)

Well, I would say that, but I have more than once experienced awkward conversations when I assume people don't believe in stuff like that, only to have them start talking about it. I usually don't assume such things, but when you're talking to non-religious, fairly down to the earth people, it does come as a surprise when I realize that they do believe it, and it doesn't help that I'm openly skeptical. My grandmother and I once watched a TV-series about psychic children, and I was complaining about how the parents used their children to gain reputation, to which she replied; "Well, they need someone to help them control their powers." She wasn't joking, and she is one of the most down to the earth people I know about.

So, actually, the number might be more legit than it seems, people just hide it or doesn't talk about it.

I don't believe in stuff like that, would be cool if it was true, but I need some real proof in order to believe it. If people do believe in it, well, perhaps they see something I don't, or like getting tricked, either way it's their money.
Don't take this in any way to mean I'm trying to argue you into religion. I'm not. What I want to say is, please don't live in a mindset where all truths in the universe have already been discovered, when we only have five senses and only take up one rock in a distant corner of the universe. The more things we believe impossible, the less we can learn. If you want to believe something, don't ignore something because it's "foolish." Instead, study it, get to know it, and let it fall apart if it's untrue. Our culture of automatic unbelief and ridicule of those who believe different (this is nearly all cultures btw) is why we are not farther along than we are right now. There is so much out there still, we can neither prove nor disprove. I cannot prove that there are habitable planets out there, but scientifically it is not disprovable, and therefor I can (keyword here) hope that they're out there.
 

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thisbymaster said:
You need to take a intro class to poll taking and statistics. If you pole only the people who call in and/or take the time to come to you about a subject then you are only polling a group that is not representative of the general population. Like if you polled people voting republican for their IQ you would think that everyone in the US had a IQ below 50 points.
Don't know whether to rebut or flag for trolling... or to put together a reel of Democrats being complete idiots. Of course I'm an idiot. I'm your opponent.
 

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Nieroshai said:
DarkRawen said:
"Seriously? 47.8 per cent? That has to be some kind of joke!" (BTW, I'm Norwegian)

Well, I would say that, but I have more than once experienced awkward conversations when I assume people don't believe in stuff like that, only to have them start talking about it. I usually don't assume such things, but when you're talking to non-religious, fairly down to the earth people, it does come as a surprise when I realize that they do believe it, and it doesn't help that I'm openly skeptical. My grandmother and I once watched a TV-series about psychic children, and I was complaining about how the parents used their children to gain reputation, to which she replied; "Well, they need someone to help them control their powers." She wasn't joking, and she is one of the most down to the earth people I know about.

So, actually, the number might be more legit than it seems, people just hide it or doesn't talk about it.

I don't believe in stuff like that, would be cool if it was true, but I need some real proof in order to believe it. If people do believe in it, well, perhaps they see something I don't, or like getting tricked, either way it's their money.
Don't take this in any way to mean I'm trying to argue you into religion. I'm not. What I want to say is, please don't live in a mindset where all truths in the universe have already been discovered, when we only have five senses and only take up one rock in a distant corner of the universe. The more things we believe impossible, the less we can learn. If you want to believe something, don't ignore something because it's "foolish." Instead, study it, get to know it, and let it fall apart if it's untrue. Our culture of automatic unbelief and ridicule of those who believe different (this is nearly all cultures btw) is why we are not farther along than we are right now. There is so much out there still, we can neither prove nor disprove. I cannot prove that there are habitable planets out there, but scientifically it is not disprovable, and therefor I can (keyword here) hope that they're out there.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist. (Also, aliens are a whole different thing, the chance of them existing are far greater than the chance of them not existing) I'm just saying I won't be able to believe it does before I have proof. Big difference, I'm not as close-minded as you make me out to be. I simply don't have the ability to believe something from no proof, doesn't matter if it's religion or not, I can't prove it doesn't exist, I don't claim it doesn't exist. I just don't personally believe in it.

Also, the truths in the universe are far from discovered, that's simple logic. Don't take me for a fool, even if you don't agree with my inability to believe what hasn't been proved.
 

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I.... no, what? VG (Norwegian Newspaper) can blow me. No fucking way. It's not like I know a lot of people but in my 17 years here I have met 1 girl who believed in psychics, and she wasn't really that clever.
I refuse to believe this, I refuse!
 

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fenrizz said:
Blood Brain Barrier said:
I'm pretty sure science has never disproved something like telepathy or psychic abilities.
No, but how can it?

It is as impossible as proving that unicorns do not exist in some remote, never before seen corner of Antarctica or proving that there is not a little black teapot orbiting Pluto.

What Science has done is show us that despite all the claims, not a single person has ever provided proof.
Not a single person, not a single scratch of proof.

Hell, if you really can do it there is even $1 million in it for you!
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

That ought to be proof enough.
It's proof on the terms of a specific mode of knowledge.

To say that something has been proved to "exist" in scientific terms is to say that it has been observed as a phenomenon under a specific set of imposed conditions. While that's worked for us so far in the fields of physics, biology etc, I am not sure I'm prepared to say that no other type of "being" can exist. In fact if I did, THAT would be doing so without any proof.
 

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Could be accurate, if you look at how many people still have a religion these days those numbers don't exactly surprise me.
 

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I can believe that.
I don't have anything wrong with people who are superstitious, and I'm on the fence on the issue.
I'm no 'verificationist', I don't believe science is the be all end all of everything, and I don't care for those who are or believe such a thing.

So 47.8% of Norwegians are superstitious and believe in psychics? Alright. Couldn't care about it though.
 

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Klumpfot said:
Well, you Norwegians are silly anyways, with your kjempetorsk and your gulebøj and such. This doesn't come as a big surprise at all!

Heeheehee, Scandinavia.
Right.. I'm Norwegian and I don't know what the hell this gulebøj is supposed to mean :p

Anyway. No, I do not believe in psychics. It is silly. I do, however, have someone on Facebook who thinks she is. Or a "healer" in this case, rather, and the crap I see spewing out on my feed is just downright idiotic. She's advertizing for classes she's holding where she teaches healing, aura stuff, energy something-or-other and remote healing.

And if that wasn't enough to prove she's a nutter, here's something else.

You know when you get some lens flare in your photos?


She's convinced those are "energy orbs".
 

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Thyunda said:
Sorry blood, but I don't need to say a word to understand them. I meet someone and I see right through them. I know people before really knowing them. I know when someone's planning something, I know when they lie, and I always know when they've fucked up.
Nobody needs to say a word to me. I'm special. Could be that you are too. Maybe it's actually nothing special at all. I see no reason why not. Maybe everyone can do it, just some of us decide to do it more than others.

Your attitude helps none. Public speakers learn techniques to capture an audience. They learn how to smile, and how to make their eyes sparkle just right. My cousin is a parody of this. His smile...is more like a snarl yet he seems painfully oblivious. The teaching is evident, the learning not so much.

Now I ask you a question. How could it be that I recognised my ex-girlfriend's 'aura' online despite the fake age, nationality and different screenname? And despite the fact she never said a word? This name came up - it was Midnight-something or other, I don't really remember, but it was nothing I'd associate with my ex. Automatically my brain has assigned my ex's name to this character. I told my friend in another conversation about my suspicion, to ensure I didn't accuse myself of retrospective identification, and then proceeded to interrogate the visitor till I found out that yes. It was her. No, sorry, she insisted it wasn't her and was in fact her cousin/friend. The story changed the second time she told it.
OK. Now, there's no way for me to actually disprove what you're saying. But you're aware of the difference between "It's definitely true" and "I want it to be true, I've convinced myself it's true, and I have some circumstantial evidence that fits the narrative I've constructed", right? I don't want to be patronising, and actually I have a bit of a soft spot for the idea of psychic abilities of some description. But for us to be able to take the idea of supernatural (or unsubstantiated preternatural) abilities seriously they have to stand up to a degree of scientific scrutiny - testability, repeatability, blind testing, all that malarkey.

And as ever, Occam's Razor applies. There's the old trick where you get somebody to hold a coin in one of their hands, and hold both closed hands in front of them. Just by looking into their eyes, you can tell with about 90% certainty which hand the coin is in. Now, you could explain this ability by claiming to have some kind of innate dowsing ability that lets you send out a kind of biological radar, and certain objects that are metallic or perhaps are imbued with a certain sentimental value to somebody will tend to resonate and make themselves known to you. Alternatively we could suggest that most people are quite bad at acts of deception and if you look at them square-on, their nose will point slightly toward the coin-hand. Which of those two explanations fits with what we know about the universe, and which ones requires us to fundamentally rethink physics, biology and neuroscience?

To answer your question, what you're describing is a variation on "cold reading" but I think there are probably other details which you didn't tell us (not necessarily because you're trying to trick us, perhaps you didn't feel they were significant). Perhaps you recognised some characteristic way of typing that you associated with your ex, like a typo or an odd way of punctuating or common phrases. Perhaps you already knew that your ex was a user of the site you were on. Could be any of a number of things - basically, I'm suggesting it was actually "warm reading".

Also, if you're really that confident in your abilities, might I suggest you earn yourself some easy money?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

My finder's fee is a humble 10% ;)
She hadn't typed a word. Nothing at all. Believe me, I have that little faith in myself that I spent the past year finding excuses why I couldn't possibly be capable of these things. It's just, this name flashed up on screen and my mind started asserting "it's her." before she could say a word. She does use the service but she has her own account, and she'd visited my room on that account prior to this, so it wouldn't make sense for her to use a spy. But she did.

It's comparable to, say, the way a room feels if everybody in it is angry. You don't have to see any faces or hear any voices to know that at least somebody in there is pissed, because it just permeates the atmosphere. Maybe that's a result of pheromones and sweat and that's why you 'feel' it, but I'm just trying to simplify the sensation.

I would love to say I'm confident in my ability but I'm really not. I've tried to get help out of 'psychics' to see if there's a way I can make it more reliable but all I get is "I'm sending you positive energy" and I always reply "Well stop it's putting me off."

I believe that psychic abilities exist. I believe that people can have them. I do not believe for one second that sending me positive fucking vibes is a real thing and that it's going to help. You know what I mean? Spiritualists and psychics are the biggest bunch of passive-aggressive dicks I have EVER met, and that's why I take no offence whatsoever to your skepticism, or to your original assertion that I might just be religious. I know what psychics are like, and I don't blame you for lumping me in with that group.
 

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DoPo said:
Playful Pony said:
A recent article in a Norwegian newspaper claims that as much as 47,8% of the population of my country believes a well-known psychic called "Snåsamannen" to have actual powers of healing and clearvoiance. Now I'm sorry, but... Seriously? This estimate HAS to be bullshit.
Intriguing. If you read that number backwards (and move the decimal point) you get 87.4% and that is the amount of statistics that are made on the spot. One hell of a coincidence there!
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My mom thinks she's pyschic... *snickers*
seriously XD

She guesses whose calling on the phone right a lot of the time so that's proof enough for her.
Ooh, a friend of mine has a funny story - his (now ex) girlfriend's mother claimed to be psychic. She even proved it to him - took his wallet, held it in her hands and proclaimed that it was a valuable family item, given to him from a family member and so on. He said yes. In order not to disappoint her. The wallet was, in fact, store bough, by himself, and quite cheap at that - it was 3-4 years old at the time. But the reading was (apparently) hilariously wrong.
God DoPo, Everyone knows 100% of statistics can be made to say anything 50% of the time.

In all seriousness, I truly don't understand how people can see a statistic and automatically take it as a fact. Of course I also don't understand how people could be surprised by something like this happening, I mean don't they understand this is the same kind of thing that started the western religions?

Captcha: which company brings you the bold red lip trend for fall?
How the hell am I supposed to know this? I didn't realize I needed to do google research just to post on this forum.
 

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So, Christianity that installed itself over the ruins of your ancestors culture is supposed to help some faith healer of sorts gain the trust (and money) of your fellow Northerners?


Ouch. That's wrong on many levels, I'd say.

Well, I know that placebos and 'faith healing' work thanks to how our minds work. I know that most people are susceptible to suggestive methods and manipulation, and I've sought such self-declared healers in several countries/cultures to see what makes them tick, and why they are as successful as they are. None of them had supernatural powers, only few were blessed with awesome good looks or above average charisma.

Conclusion, in short:

People are stupid, lazy bastards that prefer to believe in some crap if it means they get a chance at solving problems just by throwing some money at some humbug quack.

There was one very special faith healer in Tuzla, Bosnia Herzegovina. Although the majority were of Muslim faith, and people generally claimed to not believe in superstitions and supernatural stuff - as it's 'forbidden' - he made a fortune 'healing' and 'helping' people. At first, I posed as someone seeking his help, and he turned out to be a very quick-minded, sly and avid observer. He could include minute details of my behaviour/act into his own routine, but when things got physical/rather ugly, it turned out his touchy-feely therapy routine was mostly stuff he learned during the war, but back then it wasn't much of a therapy thing, it was more like... well, torture. After he turned me black and blue by tapping me in the hollow of the knee with a ritual dagger of sorts like the madman he was, I decided to break character before he made me lose my legs. We had a smoke, a toke, a drink and a lengthy chat after that, and he openly admitted to being a fraud, even though a lot of people became regular 'patients'. Just in case, he diversified into prostitution, which is a really good idea, especially since he had the chief of police on board, as well.

Together, they killed more than hundred 'enemy soldiers', after they've locked them up in the freezer, and after they've tortured the majority of them. So, I think 'faith healing' is a better outlet for sadistic tendencies than mass murder, but I'm just not a big fan.

I do the Tarot for people that annoy me, usually only once, and with the genuine intent of making them more compatible with the outside world (including me). It's a stunt, and it's mostly show, but I do it for free and I mean no harm. It usually does the trick.