50 shades of grey
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From what I?ve heard, it?s lowest-common-denominator erotica aimed at middle-aged women possibly suffering from sexual deprivation. And yeah, the reason that it?s OK for women to openly talk about Fifty Shades of Grey in public places is because they don?t have to fear being called perverts for liking a sex that typically isn?t sexualized in the mainstream media.
I?ve not read it, so I don?t care about it the same way I don?t care about Twilight or Justin Bieber (I find everyone jumping on the hate bandwagon for them more annoying than the incredulous love for them, especially for the latter, since it?s pretty pathetic to ?hate? a young man who, let?s face it, isn?t the worst out there and didn?t do anything to hurt you personally).
And there are worse things than a clearly mediocre book that may cause middle-aged women to think of BDSM in a bad light (as if it didn?t already have that stigma), most of whom probably think of a lot of harmless fetishes as harmful anyway. But if it was originally a Twilight fanfic (which I?ve heard basically promotes abstinence), then who?s surprised?
However, I don?t like the term ?mummy porn??unless they?re talking about porn involving MILFs.
I?ve not read it, so I don?t care about it the same way I don?t care about Twilight or Justin Bieber (I find everyone jumping on the hate bandwagon for them more annoying than the incredulous love for them, especially for the latter, since it?s pretty pathetic to ?hate? a young man who, let?s face it, isn?t the worst out there and didn?t do anything to hurt you personally).
And there are worse things than a clearly mediocre book that may cause middle-aged women to think of BDSM in a bad light (as if it didn?t already have that stigma), most of whom probably think of a lot of harmless fetishes as harmful anyway. But if it was originally a Twilight fanfic (which I?ve heard basically promotes abstinence), then who?s surprised?
However, I don?t like the term ?mummy porn??unless they?re talking about porn involving MILFs.
Damn it, ninja'd. Yeah, mummy porn sounds pretty damned creepy. I think after a few minutes, it'd just be like a cloud of dust.Lionsfan said:One of my coworkers was reading it, and while on break I asked her if I could read it. I got through a good chunk of it, but just had to stop...it's just a badly written porno book
Now that would be interesting.Merkavar said:
Can you imagine that?
*And then he climbed into the sarcophagus, filling the cold void with his warm life force. Eager he began to think about....*
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It's bad on so many levels..
Innocent young woman meets rich, mysterious man. Oh, she's a virgin you say, a virgin who is highly attractive but has low self esteem, and the man in question has a hidden dark side? Shocking! My thighs are moist at the mere thought of what unexpected and exciting revelation will follow this one.
Or maybe I just pissed myself out of sheer boredom at how cliched this bollocks is.
You know what, this is the worst thing. The book is completely dehumanized because it has no characters, only cliched portrayals of "male" and "female" sex roles which bump against each other like kids playing with dolls.
There's something cowardly in it too, in that it's written by and for people who will never do these things because they have no ability or desire to actually negotiate real human beings. I think that's why the BDSM community in particular finds it so horrible, because actually doing these things means negotiating with real people. It means dealing with the actual personalities, the actual limits, the actual desires of real people which don't just spring from authorial magic and stereotypical gender roles but from their actual personalities and experiences.
To do otherwise, to simply walk into this kind of situation and not to consider someone else's feelings is not "BDSM", it's abuse. People who do that are not dark, mysterious loners who you should seek out to discover more about your own sexuality, they're abusive people who you should avoid.
Fortunately, the book itself is so tame that I don't think anything bad will come of it. But hey, it still pisses me off.
Innocent young woman meets rich, mysterious man. Oh, she's a virgin you say, a virgin who is highly attractive but has low self esteem, and the man in question has a hidden dark side? Shocking! My thighs are moist at the mere thought of what unexpected and exciting revelation will follow this one.
Or maybe I just pissed myself out of sheer boredom at how cliched this bollocks is.
You know what, this is the worst thing. The book is completely dehumanized because it has no characters, only cliched portrayals of "male" and "female" sex roles which bump against each other like kids playing with dolls.
There's something cowardly in it too, in that it's written by and for people who will never do these things because they have no ability or desire to actually negotiate real human beings. I think that's why the BDSM community in particular finds it so horrible, because actually doing these things means negotiating with real people. It means dealing with the actual personalities, the actual limits, the actual desires of real people which don't just spring from authorial magic and stereotypical gender roles but from their actual personalities and experiences.
To do otherwise, to simply walk into this kind of situation and not to consider someone else's feelings is not "BDSM", it's abuse. People who do that are not dark, mysterious loners who you should seek out to discover more about your own sexuality, they're abusive people who you should avoid.
Fortunately, the book itself is so tame that I don't think anything bad will come of it. But hey, it still pisses me off.
First things first; this book is NOT 'porn'in the conventional sense; what everyone thinks when porn is discussed is erotic images, this book is erotic literature.
Women have been reading erotic literature (I think it's commonly referred to as smut so I'll call it that from now on) in offices for decades. Hell I once bought my friend a book like that as a joke gift for her birthday and we read it aloud in school for a laugh.
So it's not uncommon for women to be reading this kind of 'porn' in the office, what is uncommon is for these women to be enjoying a book that's about the romantification of physical, emotional and sexual abuse. I borrowed my friend's copy to read it, thinking it would be like Twilight and wouldn't be as bad as the internet made it out to be.
And it's not as bad as the internet made it out to be; it's WORSE.
The main character spends the whole trio of books in an unstable relationship being unhappy all the time and then apologising for walking out on him when he hurts her during sex when she 'forgot' the safe word.
Seriously, if abusive relationships are what people call love then there's no wonder I can't find it.
Women have been reading erotic literature (I think it's commonly referred to as smut so I'll call it that from now on) in offices for decades. Hell I once bought my friend a book like that as a joke gift for her birthday and we read it aloud in school for a laugh.
So it's not uncommon for women to be reading this kind of 'porn' in the office, what is uncommon is for these women to be enjoying a book that's about the romantification of physical, emotional and sexual abuse. I borrowed my friend's copy to read it, thinking it would be like Twilight and wouldn't be as bad as the internet made it out to be.
And it's not as bad as the internet made it out to be; it's WORSE.
The main character spends the whole trio of books in an unstable relationship being unhappy all the time and then apologising for walking out on him when he hurts her during sex when she 'forgot' the safe word.
Seriously, if abusive relationships are what people call love then there's no wonder I can't find it.
Hawkolf said:
Glad you guys enjoyed it. It's got a place of honor in my bookmarks next to Slacktivist's Left Behind stuff. I can't go a week without checking both.Vault101 said:
You know, I'm going to read it and it's going to be awful but I'll probably love it and then get an intense feeling of shame when I finish reading. That's what happened with Twilight anyway.
I might have a go at this book porn thing.
As he straddled her naked body, John trembled with anticipation, unable to remember a time when he had been this eager. Hurriedly, he released his shaft and unable to wait any longer thrust it into her. Her body spasmed immediately as he entered her, as though her body were screaming out in pain, fortunately John had gagged her first, so only muffled moaning sounds could be heard, as he thrust harder and harder until with one final huge thrust from him , her body no longer bucked against him, but dropped into a state of collapse exhausted from his exertions.
Removing the gag, John gazed down at her body lying before him, legs spread, breasts high and firm, her nipples just now starting to detumesce. there was a little blood at the corners of her mouth, but of course that was to be expected after this kind of activity after all John thought, its not every day you stake a female vampire to death.
i thank you
As he straddled her naked body, John trembled with anticipation, unable to remember a time when he had been this eager. Hurriedly, he released his shaft and unable to wait any longer thrust it into her. Her body spasmed immediately as he entered her, as though her body were screaming out in pain, fortunately John had gagged her first, so only muffled moaning sounds could be heard, as he thrust harder and harder until with one final huge thrust from him , her body no longer bucked against him, but dropped into a state of collapse exhausted from his exertions.
Removing the gag, John gazed down at her body lying before him, legs spread, breasts high and firm, her nipples just now starting to detumesce. there was a little blood at the corners of her mouth, but of course that was to be expected after this kind of activity after all John thought, its not every day you stake a female vampire to death.
i thank you
puckered love cave.... honestly ? Does any woman ever refer to parts of herself in this manner ? I could be making a huge assumption here but could he be about to push a digit up her arse ? Nothing wrong with the practise imho, but definitely something wrong with calling it a puckered love cave.Nerexor said:
This.... just this..... I am laughing so hard right now at the quoted sentence... <note to self, find mirror and practice smirking that way>
I like this guy's thinking.Buretsu said:
Oh yeah, I do recall that.Buretsu said:
Captcha: Hobby Horse
Well, having her ride you like a horse would be a good hobby I guess.
I've never read the book, and probably never will read the book. But in its defence, allow me to pontificate:
If a group of women were discussing the cinematography of a modern pornographic film - condemning it for being unoriginal, tasteless, or otherwise unfit to be compared to that of any critically-acclaimed feature film - wouldn't they be missing the point?
E.L. James' Fifty Shades of Grey may not be artistic, insightful, or even well-written, but it isn't supposed to be. Quality isn't the target it's aiming for; arousal and fantasy fulfilment is. Comparing this particular work of pornography to A Song of Ice and Fire, for example, is akin to comparing the average adult store rental to The Dark Knight. Making fun of your everyday porno might provide a good time, but you wouldn't legitimately judge it against something that's way out of its league. In the same way, we can keep making fun of Fifty Shades of Grey until the end of time - but can we all at least agree that it's bad literature that isn't trying to be good literature?
If a group of women were discussing the cinematography of a modern pornographic film - condemning it for being unoriginal, tasteless, or otherwise unfit to be compared to that of any critically-acclaimed feature film - wouldn't they be missing the point?
E.L. James' Fifty Shades of Grey may not be artistic, insightful, or even well-written, but it isn't supposed to be. Quality isn't the target it's aiming for; arousal and fantasy fulfilment is. Comparing this particular work of pornography to A Song of Ice and Fire, for example, is akin to comparing the average adult store rental to The Dark Knight. Making fun of your everyday porno might provide a good time, but you wouldn't legitimately judge it against something that's way out of its league. In the same way, we can keep making fun of Fifty Shades of Grey until the end of time - but can we all at least agree that it's bad literature that isn't trying to be good literature?
Her "giving in" slowly wears off. She will walk away from an argument, but its because arguing with Christian for too long is annoying; reading it even more so (makes me want to punch a brick).Buretsu said:
And I have read the Twilight books. Anna may be similar to Bella in certain aspects, but she is far better than her.
In Anna's defense, she never says this nor is it implied. She recognizes his need for control as a coping mechanism, but she doesn't appreciate while they are dating and she doesn't appreciate it further down the line.Buretsu said:
He never does, though. I'm not saying that Christian isn't a stalker or a bastard (hell, most of the crap that he has pulled would get most men arrested in a heartbeat); only that his actions could be far worse. He's followed Anna against her wishes, he did a background check on her (to the point of knowing her bank information), and keeps tabs on her movements. Things like this are usually found in the criminal record of an insane person pulling on restraints in a prison.Buretsu said:
However, he isn't as bad as Edward (who removed the engine from Bella's scooter to keep her home...an action Bella accepted), the Beast (who trapped Belle in a castle) or any of the other bad boys that girls worship these days. Christian's "threats" are essentially idle ones...and Anna knows this. As intimidated as Anna was in the first book, she stops giving a damn about Christian's threats later on (might as well, since he isn't going to do anything to her lest he wants to yet again end up as a vulnerable mass on the floor).
Christian is an ass of a man, but I've read about worse people in worse books.