Zero tolerance policies are always retarded. At best they don't help but they usually victimise the people they are meant to be helping.
6 Days Suspension For Being Designated Driver?
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It's a highschool and the two guys are in my grade and are probably both 17 years old.Bon_Clay said:
Drinking goes on at every school, private schools not being an exception. And the majority of the kids here only attend the school because their parents made them.
i thought that the legal age to drink was 21 in the US? its just you mentioned that under 21 you have a .02 legal blood alchol level. Where im from if your on your Ps with driving you cant have any blood alchol level. so 0.00.
What sort of school are you going to? like a full proper private school with latin mottos and stuff like that?
or just a state school or what?
It seems abit extreme for the school to be controlling your out of school lives. thats like being fired for looking at porn at home cause your employer has a no porn rule.
i would say that the school is over steping their bounds by punishing students for breaking the law.
What sort of school are you going to? like a full proper private school with latin mottos and stuff like that?
or just a state school or what?
It seems abit extreme for the school to be controlling your out of school lives. thats like being fired for looking at porn at home cause your employer has a no porn rule.
i would say that the school is over steping their bounds by punishing students for breaking the law.
My first comment would be with the school's entire policy. They're essentially punishing students for what they do outside of school hours. Even MY school didn't go that far (they only punished people for outside-of-school activities if that person was wearing their uniform). Unless the kids are drunk on school property or during school hours, they shouldn't be allowed to punish them so severely.
On to the crux of my reply (I love that word 'crux') I think the first dude was within rights, under the school's retarded policy, to get his ass thrown out. Blowing a .15 is ridiculous of itself if the limit's .02, but to get THAT drunk when knowing what would happen if he was caught is ludicrous and he deserves what he gets.
For the other guy, I don't think he should have been punished. The other guys punished, yes. Cause they were drunk, and were performing an illegal activity (open cans in the car, as you said). So THEY good the correct punishment. The designated driver shouldn't have gotten the punishment. Or, at least not one so severe. 6 days for being the responsible member of the group? Well done school! You punish those do-gooders!
In short: your "friends" are kinda douchey, your school is retarded in its policies, and the designated driver got unjustly punished.
On to the crux of my reply (I love that word 'crux') I think the first dude was within rights, under the school's retarded policy, to get his ass thrown out. Blowing a .15 is ridiculous of itself if the limit's .02, but to get THAT drunk when knowing what would happen if he was caught is ludicrous and he deserves what he gets.
For the other guy, I don't think he should have been punished. The other guys punished, yes. Cause they were drunk, and were performing an illegal activity (open cans in the car, as you said). So THEY good the correct punishment. The designated driver shouldn't have gotten the punishment. Or, at least not one so severe. 6 days for being the responsible member of the group? Well done school! You punish those do-gooders!
In short: your "friends" are kinda douchey, your school is retarded in its policies, and the designated driver got unjustly punished.
I don't know why it is .02, it may be because some unknown factors can make you blow a .01. But having one beer will probably push you over the limit. For people over 21 the legal limit is .08.Merkavar said:
It is a private, christian oriented school. We don't have latin mottos, but do have a dress code and other rules that public schools wouldn't have.
I don't have any problem with the punishment given the guy with the DUI. He was acting like an idiot. He blew almost double the limit for an adult.ReservoirAngel said:
Also, he the guy who was designated driver for that night isn't exactly a do-gooder. It just so happened on that particular night he was decided to be the driver. He gets hammered pretty regularly, but has never been caught by the police or the school. I guess you could say it was inevitable for him to be suspended, I just don't think it was right for him to be punished on this particular incident.
It sounded pretty crazy but when you mentioned it was a private school then, I guess it all made sense. Yeah the driver also being punished is.. well not exactly fair but expected. Relating it to my uni, there'd be a high chance of being kicked out if caught on uni grounds with weed, if there was a group of people smoking it then it's likely that anyone who was still with them but not smoking would still get into some trouble when caught. It's just that your private school as made their rules so that they apply anywhere, not just on their grounds.
Well OP, because it's a private school, you're screwed. Crap like this is why I'm glad I went through public schools, and why my children will never attend a private school -- unless it's a university and they're getting a free ride from scholarships. Private primary and secondary schools, however, I can't stand, because whatever they say goes -- and that extends to everything from discipline to the very curriculum. Heck, the only reason private colleges get a pass from me is because they tend to be more prestigious than the public universities, and are generally accredited through the same bodies. I'm quite happy going to a state University.
Edit: This is in regards to being punished in school for something that happened out of it. I'm not advocating underage drinking in any way here.
Edit Edit: And I'm sure as heck not advocating breaking the open container laws. That was stupid on the part of everyone involved, and the driver deserves to be punished for it -- just not by the school.
Edit: This is in regards to being punished in school for something that happened out of it. I'm not advocating underage drinking in any way here.
Edit Edit: And I'm sure as heck not advocating breaking the open container laws. That was stupid on the part of everyone involved, and the driver deserves to be punished for it -- just not by the school.
Unless you dont get a summer vacation at this school, the fact that this school wants to extend its rules to the time when its not even in session is stupid, but otherwise I think they are for the most part in the right. The fact that one student did the same thing and got off easier is a little unfair for your friend.
By the way, the 10:30 curfew is far from ridiculous.
By the way, the 10:30 curfew is far from ridiculous.
Your school is wrong, he shouldn't be suspended at all, since he was pulled up on a bullshit charge.
On that note, I don't think your school is overstepping it's own boundries of responsibility by enforcing a no drinking policy at all.
I'm not sure what the laws reguarding drinking are like in America, let alone Georgia, but I reckon it's a gross miscalculation of authority for the school to punish anyone for doing something in their own private lives, which the school has no business observing, let alone punishing.
On that note, I don't think your school is overstepping it's own boundries of responsibility by enforcing a no drinking policy at all.
I'm not sure what the laws reguarding drinking are like in America, let alone Georgia, but I reckon it's a gross miscalculation of authority for the school to punish anyone for doing something in their own private lives, which the school has no business observing, let alone punishing.
We have an open container law in Kentucky too. Thems the breaks. I thought these laws were pretty common, and to be honest, they make since to me.
i know a guy that was arrested for DUI for sitting in his parked car drinking a beer. Moral of the story: Don't have open containers in your car.
i know a guy that was arrested for DUI for sitting in his parked car drinking a beer. Moral of the story: Don't have open containers in your car.
Yes, they should be consistent.Flap Jack452 said:
I personally don't think he should be punished at all. He can't stop his friends from drinking, sure he can leave them but as many of you have probably discovered Alcohol leads to impaired decision making. So essentially he's being punished because he decided to make sure his friends didn't do anything stupid or life-threatening (like driving drunk). To me, being around Alcohol that is readily accessible (open beer cans, etc) and staying sober is something you should probably promote. People will be people, there will always be people who break the rules no matter who is with them, punishing the person making sure that their stupid decision making doesn't lead to anything bad seems just utterly stupid to me.
Tell your school to mind their own business. If they want to have that much control over what you do in your free time then they should start cleaning your room too. Otherwise they can suck it. On school grounds or during school hours that's their call, otherwise it's none of their business.Flap Jack452 said:
How did the school even find out? And why would you tell them if their just going to punish you for it. The indecent you describe is between your friend and the police(and depending on his age, his parents), and no one else.
Wouldn't any school, private or not, receive word if one of their students was caught violating an underage drinking related law?thePyro_13 said:
It is completely ridiculous. Schools shouldn't even HAVE that kind of power to begin with. What happens outside of school is no business of theirs. They have one job: To teach you. Tell me, how is suspending people supposed to help educate them? All it does is rob them of valuable learning experiences.
And he was being the responsible one. He was setting an example by taking lead as the one guy who didn't drink among many who did. If anything, he should be REWARDED regardless of the arbitrary legal actions taken against him. He's a shining example of doing the right thing. But I guess no good deed goes unpunished...
And he was being the responsible one. He was setting an example by taking lead as the one guy who didn't drink among many who did. If anything, he should be REWARDED regardless of the arbitrary legal actions taken against him. He's a shining example of doing the right thing. But I guess no good deed goes unpunished...
Seems to me that of a school has a zero tolerance policy against alcohol then not punishing people caught aiding people breaking that policy would be the more ridiculous action.
As for law, around these parts they tend to ignore the open container laws for the DD most of the time, but that's not to say getting a break once means it is always going to happen. In most cases the police would rather encourage safe practices like DDs rather then punish people for not even drinking while driving. I know they have pulled me over before with an open container in my truck. A bottle of vodka in the backseat. The officer let me pass as its obvious I wasn't drinking from it and I truthfully at the time had nowhere else to put it other then the bed of the truck. That wasn't the intent of the law, but I wouldn't always expect that treatment.
As for law, around these parts they tend to ignore the open container laws for the DD most of the time, but that's not to say getting a break once means it is always going to happen. In most cases the police would rather encourage safe practices like DDs rather then punish people for not even drinking while driving. I know they have pulled me over before with an open container in my truck. A bottle of vodka in the backseat. The officer let me pass as its obvious I wasn't drinking from it and I truthfully at the time had nowhere else to put it other then the bed of the truck. That wasn't the intent of the law, but I wouldn't always expect that treatment.