7 year old commits suicide

[Risingblade]

This seems a little suspicious, I suspect foul play.

 

[Mikeyfell]

I'll never understand suicide as a result of bullying.

I mean when you have a tangible, physical reason for your depression (Like a person who's bullying you) and you're desperate enough to take a life.

Kill the bully!
Take the fucking option that might make your life (and other people's lives) better.
Because you know that bully's just going to bully somebody else now.

It's a terrible thing when someone's more willing to kill them self than doing something that might have a positive effect on their life.

 

[Easton Dark]

Life gets way harder past 7. A lot of stuff must have happened to this kid constantly every day, or he was just naturally depressed.

 

[emeraldrafael]

wow.... thers something very wrong if anyones committing suicide (outside maybe mercy ones), but at seven, damn.

theres really not evena lot to say here about it.

 

[Astoria]

This doesn't sound right to me. How did the kid even know how to kill himself like this? I know when I was really upset when I was 7 the only thought in my head was to run away, not to kill myself. Someone's planted the idea in his head to do this, it's not the sort of thinking 7 year olds have.

 

[redisforever]

Yeah, the problem is that once people get out of school, or are in high school, they tend to forget about being bullied, or witnessing it. I say high school, because once I got there, (which is where I am now) I stopped being bullied. I still remember how bad I felt. The problem was, I didn't want to go to school, but at the same time, I wanted to. I had great teachers, and they really helped.

 

[manic_depressive13]

I'll never understand suicide as a result of bullying.

I mean when you have a tangible, physical reason for your depression (Like a person who's bullying you) and you're desperate enough to take a life.

Kill the bully!
Take the fucking option that might make your life (and other people's lives) better.
Because you know that bully's just going to bully somebody else now.

It's a terrible thing when someone's more willing to kill them self than doing something that might have a positive effect on their life.

It's not that hard to understand. They just have such a low sense of self worth that they think the bully is right, and that the people around them are probably thinking the same thing even if they're not saying it. They think they're doing the world a favour by killing themselves. Bullies are often reasonably popular kids with a fair few friends (at least in my experience). When you're someone with no friends, it's hard to justify killing them over yourself. Besides, who wants to go to jail?

Having said that, there are plenty of people who kill the source of their misery before killing themselves (spouse, colleagues, women). As far as I'm concerned, if you are prepared to kill yourself, just leave the others. Once you're dead it won't affect you anymore. Why not leave them be? Even people you think are abhorrent can have family and friends who care about them.

 

[Azurian]

What the hell is going on with the country today when a 7 year old feels like they need to commit suicide?! As the world changed that much for kids when they can't even enjoy their childhoods!?!?

 

[Mikeyfell]

It's not that hard to understand. They just have such a low sense of self worth that they think the bully is right, and that the people around them are probably thinking the same thing even if they're not saying it. They think they're doing the world a favour by killing themselves. Bullies are often reasonably popular kids with a fair few friends (at least in my experience). When you're someone with no friends, it's hard to justify killing them over yourself. Besides, who wants to go to jail?

All the more reason to send a message to the people willing to befriend the bully.
Their actions should catch up to them eventually.
And if you're at the point of "About to commit suicide" Most judges would see that you can't be held accountable for your actions. (What jury is going to send a bullied 7 year old from a broken home to jail?)

Having said that, there are plenty of people who kill the source of their misery before killing themselves (spouse, colleagues, women). As far as I'm concerned, if you are prepared to kill yourself, just leave the others. Once you're dead it won't affect you anymore. Why not leave them be? Even people you think are abhorrent can have family and friends who care about them.

You think someone who would make a kid kill himself is worth saving?
You think the bully is going to be a productive member of society now that the kid is dead?
Yes once you're dead noting can bother you. (And this kid did have other stuff going on so it doesn't completely apply to this case) but if a bully (Or multiple bullies) is the cause of all your turmoil, killing a bully could make you feel better (And at the least you wont be bullied anymore). and if that didn't help it's not like suicide stopped being an option.

If you're about to kill your self killing the bully is a no lose situation.

Basically what I'm saying is that I'd rather the world deal with the consequences of a generation of kids desensitized to murdering bad people than the on going pity party that suicide victims get

 

[manic_depressive13]

All the more reason to send a message to the people willing to befriend the bully.
Their actions should catch up to them eventually.
And if you're at the point of "About to commit suicide" Most judges would see that you can't be held accountable for your actions. (What jury is going to send a bullied 7 year old from a broken home to jail?)

In the case of a seven year old I think the reasoning would be very different. I was responding generally to your question of why suicidal people don't become homicidal people.

You think someone who would make a kid kill himself is worth saving?
You think the bully is going to be a productive member of society now that the kid is dead?
Yes once you're dead noting can bother you. (And this kid did have other stuff going on so it doesn't completely apply to this case) but if a bully (Or multiple bullies) is the cause of all your turmoil, killing a bully could make you feel better (And at the least you wont be bullied anymore). and if that didn't help it's not like suicide stopped being an option.

If you're about to kill your self killing the bully is a no lose situation.

Basically what I'm saying is that I'd rather the world deal with the consequences of a generation of kids desensitized to murdering bad people than the on going pity party that suicide victims get

Well, yeah. Again, in this case, the bullies wouldn't have been above primary school age themselves. Kids are fucking stupid. A lot of them don't realise the consequences of their actions. As you get older you become more capable of empathising and general high order thinking. Most people have said mean things when they were younger that they regret today.

There's also the issue of simply not being capable of killing your bullies. Not everyone has a gun in their top draw. There's also just nothing to be gained by killing more people.

OT: I just realised I forgot to comment on the topic itself. It definitely seems odd that a seven year old would think of committing suicide. It didn't start seeming like a good idea to me until I was at least twelve. Then again, if the family had a pastor counselling him, the reasoning might have been less "I want to die" and more "I want to go to heaven".

 

[AstylahAthrys]

That is insanely sad. My niece is 7... thinking of her dying would absolutely devastate me. She is the sweetest girl. I have to echo the idea that it's crazy that the kid knew what to do to kill himself. I'd like to know if someone gave him the idea, or if it was actually foul play. That's just really young.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I had said as a child "I wish I was dead, that will show them!" However I never seriously wanted to or tried. Kid must have gone through a heap of of shit to do that.

 

[chadachada123]

I didn't know seven year olds had the capacity to think of killing themselves.
I don't even know if I was aware of the concept of suicide at that age.

Kids are aware of suicde younger than that, I know attempted suicide several times around that age. However thay probably don't really understand the full consequences of it.

I think you underestimate 7-year-old kids.

Unless they have lived excessively sheltered lives, a kid of that age will understand what it is to be dead. If nothing else, they will have seen dead animals.

Don't forget the lines that many (most?) parents feed their kids about there being an afterlife.

Many/most kids probably think that death isn't really permanent in any sense of the word, because of what they've been told about heaven/etc.

Hell, even the animals were probably thought of by the kids as being "in a better place now" or something.

Edit: To bring it back to the main story, the kid (most likely) didn't understand what death was in any real sense, or otherwise understood the consequences of his actions. Sucks pretty hard, and there's no justice to be had, even if the other kid was "punished."

 

[Evil Smurf]

le snip

That is heartless man! I know you might have the strength to endure hardship but some people don't! As the beast said in X-Men 3 "is it cowardly to want to escape persecution?"

 

[chadachada123]

It's not that hard to understand. They just have such a low sense of self worth that they think the bully is right, and that the people around them are probably thinking the same thing even if they're not saying it. They think they're doing the world a favour by killing themselves. Bullies are often reasonably popular kids with a fair few friends (at least in my experience). When you're someone with no friends, it's hard to justify killing them over yourself. Besides, who wants to go to jail?

Having said that, there are plenty of people who kill the source of their misery before killing themselves (spouse, colleagues, women). As far as I'm concerned, if you are prepared to kill yourself, just leave the others. Once you're dead it won't affect you anymore. Why not leave them be? Even people you think are abhorrent can have family and friends who care about them.

Depends on why exactly I'm compelled to kill myself, I'd say.

If I'm going out, I want to make sure that no one else is put in my position because I was too selfish to kill my abuser(/whatever). I want to be damn sure that my bully won't cause anyone else's demise or painful existence.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

All the more reason to send a message to the people willing to befriend the bully.
Their actions should catch up to them eventually.
And if you're at the point of "About to commit suicide" Most judges would see that you can't be held accountable for your actions. (What jury is going to send a bullied 7 year old from a broken home to jail?)

In the case of a seven year old I think the reasoning would be very different. I was responding generally to your question of why suicidal people don't become homicidal people.

You think someone who would make a kid kill himself is worth saving?
You think the bully is going to be a productive member of society now that the kid is dead?
Yes once you're dead noting can bother you. (And this kid did have other stuff going on so it doesn't completely apply to this case) but if a bully (Or multiple bullies) is the cause of all your turmoil, killing a bully could make you feel better (And at the least you wont be bullied anymore). and if that didn't help it's not like suicide stopped being an option.

If you're about to kill your self killing the bully is a no lose situation.

Basically what I'm saying is that I'd rather the world deal with the consequences of a generation of kids desensitized to murdering bad people than the on going pity party that suicide victims get

Well, yeah. Again, in this case, the bullies wouldn't have been above primary school age themselves. Kids are fucking stupid. A lot of them don't realise the consequences of their actions. As you get older you become more capable of empathising and general high order thinking. Most people have said mean things when they were younger that they regret today.

There's also the issue of simply not being capable of killing your bullies. Not everyone has a gun in their top draw. There's also just nothing to be gained by killing more people.

OT: I just realised I forgot to comment on the topic itself. It definitely seems odd that a seven year old would think of committing suicide. It didn't start seeming like a good idea to me until I was at least twelve. Then again, if the family had a pastor counselling him, the reasoning might have been less "I want to die" and more "I want to go to heaven".

It seems suspicious to me. I mean how the fuck does a 7 year old have a concept of death? Let alone the idea of suicide or that hanging would be an effective means to do it?

 

[Evil Smurf]

All the more reason to send a message to the people willing to befriend the bully.
Their actions should catch up to them eventually.
And if you're at the point of "About to commit suicide" Most judges would see that you can't be held accountable for your actions. (What jury is going to send a bullied 7 year old from a broken home to jail?)

In the case of a seven year old I think the reasoning would be very different. I was responding generally to your question of why suicidal people don't become homicidal people.

You think someone who would make a kid kill himself is worth saving?
You think the bully is going to be a productive member of society now that the kid is dead?
Yes once you're dead noting can bother you. (And this kid did have other stuff going on so it doesn't completely apply to this case) but if a bully (Or multiple bullies) is the cause of all your turmoil, killing a bully could make you feel better (And at the least you wont be bullied anymore). and if that didn't help it's not like suicide stopped being an option.

If you're about to kill your self killing the bully is a no lose situation.

Basically what I'm saying is that I'd rather the world deal with the consequences of a generation of kids desensitized to murdering bad people than the on going pity party that suicide victims get

Well, yeah. Again, in this case, the bullies wouldn't have been above primary school age themselves. Kids are fucking stupid. A lot of them don't realise the consequences of their actions. As you get older you become more capable of empathising and general high order thinking. Most people have said mean things when they were younger that they regret today.

There's also the issue of simply not being capable of killing your bullies. Not everyone has a gun in their top draw. There's also just nothing to be gained by killing more people.

OT: I just realised I forgot to comment on the topic itself. It definitely seems odd that a seven year old would think of committing suicide. It didn't start seeming like a good idea to me until I was at least twelve. Then again, if the family had a pastor counselling him, the reasoning might have been less "I want to die" and more "I want to go to heaven".

It seems suspicious to me. I mean how the fuck does a 7 year old have a concept of death? Let alone the idea of suicide or that hanging would be an effective means to do it?

Games, movies or death threats?
Games like hangman. I game literally about killing a guy for the sake of spelling. Or perhaps Pirates of the Carribian, they hang pirates. Or maybe then threats of "I will kill you!" and "Go hang yourself!"

 

[JPH330]

le snip

That is heartless man! I know you might have the strength to endure hardship but some people don't! As the beast said in X-Men 3 "is it cowardly to want to escape persecution?"

He's probably trolling.

As someone who's attempted suicide before, I really, really hope he's trolling.