7 year old girl shot dead while selling some lemonade

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

It has nothing to do with guns. Okay, maybe a little

Nothing? Maybe a little? She died because she was struck by a bullet. Bullets are fired by guns. Ergo she was killed by a gun. This is really quite simple logic.

but do you think crime will stop if guns aren't allowed to be legally owned?

Stop? No. Be significantly reduced? A resounding yes.

What does the US have to do with this thread?

The girl was in Chicago. Chicago is in the US. Ergo the girl was in the US.

Stupid generalizations on the internet piss me off more than an exploitative shock story about a little girl caught up in a gunfight in the slums.

I bet it must piss you off even more when the generalisation is accurate and true then.

Outlawing weapons here wouldn't make stuff like this cease to happen.

It would reduce it by many magnitudes.

It would only drive the market for said weapons underground. An expanded black market for firearms would only INCREASE violent crime.

No it wouldn't. Law abiding citizens don't buy weapons on black markets when doing so is illegal. Criminals will, and will continue committing crimes. But less guns = less bullets killing 7 year old children, committing murder and armed robbery. That's quite simple maths.

We can either agree that there are some cultural differences between this country and yours,

No shit?

or you can be ignorant and intolerant and continue to spew bilious generalizations about a place that you've probably never even been to.

Been there many times, and have probably seen more of the US than you have. Doesn't make your 300 year old Second Amendment any more sensible. Every single school, university and college shooting is on the heads of your government for continuing to allow everyone to buy firearms. This girl is dead for the same reason. Enjoy your legal guns. But don't bemoan the loss of this child's life when you support the law that allowed her to be killed.

Ignorant implies I don't understand the culture or its laws. I'm actually fully informed of both and simply see how ancient and stupid they are. You guys are still living in the Wild West.

 

[WanderingFool]

This is sad. Specially the fact it was a stray bullet... that doesnt really do anything to alive the fact that there was a shooting that occured, possibly between streetgangs. The only thing that could make this better was if one or more of those gangbangers died also. Than there would be atleast one less gangbanger to be around to start another shooting which another innocent could be killed in stray fire.

 

[sunsetspawn]

This thread is LIE!

Guns are illegal in Chicago therefore it's IMPOSSIBLE that a girl got shot there. Chicago is one of the safest cities in the States because our dear leaders have made guns illegal there. In fact, all of those thousands of murders that occur each year in cities with strict gun control are fabrications. The real problem is all of the secret murders the media hides from you in the areas with less restrictive gun policies.

Captcha: guitar player

how'd it know that?

 

[Al-Bundy-da-G]

As Cave Jhonson said:
"I don't want your damn lemons! the hell am i supposed to do with these!?"

That is so many levels of apathy for a human life, it's not even funny. A little girl died and you're just cracking jokes about it.

I may be a fan of edgy comedy but that was just wrong.

Anyways, my prayers will go out to the girl and her family.

Awe, come on, don't be so sour. There are better issues to make a stand on. Stop being such a child about all of this. ;D

You stop leading this thread astray, mister!

Hey, I am just trying to give my popularity on the forums a shot.

Makeing lame puns on a forum about a little girl being killed, have you no shame? This could trigger a negative reaction and possibly send you barreling toward a ban. They should re-examine safety regulations in light of this. Maybe publish the story in a major magazine to draw the public's sights to this issue.

I think I just guaranteed my spot in hell...

 

[CrazyGirl17]

Another sad story from the US involving guns... when will they learn? probably never

...You said it, pal. *SIGH* and my folks wonder why I don't like people...

 

[White Lightning]

See? This is why people should ALWAYS be warned about the cut throat Lemonade buisness.

 

[DRes82]

It's too far out of my Monkeysphere [http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html] for me to genuinely care.

That was easily the best cracked article I've ever read. It helped me to cope with all the generalizations being spewed.

Monkeysphere has officially been added to my everyday vocabulary.

The girl was in Chicago. Chicago is in the US. Ergo the girl was in the US.

The US is an enormous country spanning a whole continent. It consists of many millions of people, all different and diverse. So, again...how does this incident have anything to do with the US?

I bet it must piss you off even more when the generalisation is accurate and true then.

No, actually. I'm pretty reasonable. I'll tell you what, though. Show me an accurate and true generalization, and we'll see how I react.

Law abiding citizens don't buy weapons on black markets when doing so is illegal. Criminals will, and will continue committing crimes. But less guns = less bullets killing 7 year old children, committing murder and armed robbery. That's quite simple maths.

You're implying here that Law abiding citizens with guns shoot seven year old girls? Because that's the only way your 'simple maths' would be valid. Expanded black markets = greater violence. The amount of guns in criminals' hands won't be reduced, it'll stay the same, and since they have more money and product to deal with, there will be more violence. How is that difficult to understand?

Been there many times, and have probably seen more of the US than you have.

You've been here many times, you say? Where exactly? I like to think I've seen a lot of my country, so I probably can relate to your stories! I have lived in every state on both west (California, Oregon, Washington) and east coasts(From Maine to Florida, and everything in between). Lived for a while in the Mountain timezone, as well. (Colorado, New Mexico, West Kansas, West Texas). So yeah, tell me about the country!

Doesn't make your 300 year old Second Amendment any more sensible. Every single school, university and college shooting is on the heads of your government for continuing to allow everyone to buy firearms. This girl is dead for the same reason. Enjoy your legal guns. But don't bemoan the loss of this child's life when you support the law that allowed her to be killed.

Again with the 'this girl is dead because of lack of gun control'. Tell me exactly, how the hell lawfully obtained and licensed weapons had ANYthing at all to do with this incident. You explain that to me, and maybe we can get somewhere in this debate. Also, I don't bemoan anything. This would've happened regardless of if there were laws preventing ownership of guns. The only thing that really bothers me are stupid generalizations.

You guys are still living in the Wild West.

The Wild West? Such a british thing to say. Yes, all 350 million of us are cowboys with six-shooters on our hips. Now, if you don't mind pardner, I'll be moseying off into the sunset now.

 

[Aprilgold]

Another sad story from the US involving guns... when will they learn? probably never

You know Europeans its your ancestors fault for not raising a better country. This is just your bad parenting coming back to haunt you all.

I also doubt that a "no guns" policy would have stopped this, the only thing to combat crime is better education but EDUCATION IS FOR THE DEVIL! I love how fundies somehow can always get their way when the average person disagrees with them.

You guys want to know the worst part?
Her first name was Heaven Heaven had asked to move out of the neighborhood where the family had lived for six months because of the violence there.Seriously those parents are fucking idiots for bringing their daughter to a place like that. Hope the lower rent was worth it, cause now you've got plenty left over TO PAY FOR HER FUNERAL!

I doubt they brought her there as of their own choice, hell maybe they were living there for quite some time before her birth. Maybe they are very low on cash and need to do extra things to get by, thus the lower rent.

Sympathy for the girl and her bereaved family, none at all for the USA. They are happy and adamant to continue allowing guns to be privately owned, this is the inevitable result. Americans have no right to bemoan both the tragic loss of a child's life and their personal, inalienable right to own guns.

One is the consequence of the other so you make your bed and lie in it.

Like I said above, even if we said "No guns or you get shot on sight" guess what? Police killings skyrocket as the highest-bloody-deterrent is put on guns, and the gangbangers just import that shit, or they buy it across the border. Any NUMBER of things that they could do and they would still find a way. Sure, maybe not shootouts everywhere, which often lead to quick death but more stab victims and victims being beat up by blunt objects.

I'm also betting this story comes up later and these guns were not legal whatsoever, I am betting you.

I'm not sure if you know this, but crime happens everywhere on the fucking planet and even in places where guns are not allowed or else you'll be arrested, prosecuted then killed. The US gets called out for this every time a thread pops up where the murder just so happened to take place in crime-alley, well theres billions of crime-alleys everywhere and their not all in the US.

Literally, letting people own a gun and training them how to use it properly is almost as good as hiring cops. If they go crazy and kill a man, that sucks and your on clean-up duty, if they kill three armed muggers with that gun and save a women's life then they are good people. Which would you have the slightly-likely crime they kill a single man or if they kill three muggers? There's a small chance for all of these, but which would you want. The gun process in the US also checks backgrounds, so if you have a felony I believe you can not purchase a gun. Sure if you premeditated a murder then yes, in theory you could do the murder with the gun but be tracked later, but I doubt Gangsters premeditate their fire-fights like this poor, little girl was caught in.

Crime always finds a way, it always will and it won't stop unless we get into a society where violence is not necessary because there is nothing you can attain from it. That obviously isn't happening thus crime will exist and stories like this will continue to pop-up every now-and-then.

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Hit by a stray bullet, it sucks and she shouldn't be in that area to begin with. I wish the parents luck in life but her death was on them for having her live in such a terrible place. I'm sure Heaven is in Heaven now.

Don't know how relevant but Mad Bull 34, if it did not take place in New York totally called this type of violence happening eventually.

 

[doomspore98]

I feel terrible for the family. But remember, this was not an intentional shooting. While the murderer deserves to go to jail for a long time, we shouldn't blame him for intentionally killing a seven year old.

captcha: partly to blame. What are you implying captcha.

 

[Tanner The Monotone]

Am I racist(prejudiced?) for having immediately guessed that this must have happened in America? (that or some third world country).

If I had ever been wrong after making such an assumption it would be easier to put it down to anti-american prejudice so many people fall pray to, but... well, it always ends up being the correct guess, so now I'm not sure :X

How many lemonade stands have you seen in third world countries?

 

[DRes82]

ts been said like three times already, but I'll say it again because its true. Outlawing weapons here wouldn't make stuff like this cease to happen. It would only drive the market for said weapons underground. An expanded black market for firearms would only INCREASE violent crime.

That's a myth. In countries with strict weapon laws it's extremely expensive and difficult to lay your hands on illegal firearms. It's nigh impossible to steal legal arms since the law requires all weapon owners to keep their weapons in a high grade safe at all times, have to be concealed during transport, and even deviations the do different things than visit a shooting club are forbidden in the case of firearms and shooting clubs or the one or two firearms dealers have even stricter regulations and are veritable fortresses. So every illegal weapon has to be smuggled in from far away, ussually Yugoslavia or somewhere in that neighbourhood, and even there, there is no open weapons market.

In the US however, it is only easy to get illegal weapons, because there are so many weapons to make illegal. Break into any random house, chances are you'll find weapons there. Or rob one of thousands and thousands of gun stores. Don't forget to shoot the storeowners first.

Most robbers around here for instance make do with replicas. Armed burglars are unheard of. The very few actual street gangs that exist are unarmed, or use tiny knives, think swiss army knives. Most street muggers are unarmed, some use small knives, and I can't remember a single instance of them stabbing someone.

It's also bred a culture where criminals will be extremely hesitant to use weapons, and especially firearms, because serious violence is so rare the police comes down on weapon users like a ton of bricks.
The only real fatal shootings are drug related among criminals, and those rarely ever take place in a way that people get caught in the crossfire. Once again, criminals are very aware they're instantly the most wanted person in the country if a bystander gets hit.

And untill last year where there was a fatal shooting, I could also say that in the US, compensated for population, more policemen are killed by criminals every month, than in the Netherlands in 50 years.

Thank you for the well written argument. Its enough to make me do some research. Whereas baseless generalizations are not. I'm not really for or against stricter gun control, although I do own a couple of firearms myself(fully licensed and registered, of course). I just think that if stricter control were exercised, it wouldn't really have much effect on violent crime. Also, the culture here wouldn't allow the government to flat out ban all civilian ownership of any type of weapon. It just would never happen.

 

[SecondPrize]

This is what you get when you want the right to own a handgun so you can feel like your family is safe. Deadly weapons do not make for good pacifiers.

 

[Destal]

And to think I just got done watching Bowling for Columbine.

This is the kind of shit Michael was talking about the whole film. I gotta say, he really hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned.

Except that I would put money on the fact that they were all previously convicted felons, who can't legally own any firearm and yet had them anyway. Gun control doesn't stop people who don't care about gun control laws.

 

[Fappy]

So many ignorant morons on this thread. Part of the reason why I'm coming here less and less.

We get it, we've got snobby Europeans who like to go on about how the US should outlaw guns and shit like this wouldn't happen. Anyone with a lick of sense would know how stupid these people are so stop turning the thread into a fucking gunlaw debate for fuck sake.

Also, to those who are so goddamn sheltered that this news genuinely shocks them. The fuck do you people care? You'll forget tomorrow and continue to live in your nice little crime free bubble. So keep you're annoying posts to yourself, it just makes you look like a tool.

Yes, it's sad but as others have said. This kind of shit happens all the time. No one on this site is going to stop this happening, get over it and move on.

But... but gun law debates are so fun.

 

[xshadowscreamx]

hows that right bare arms in America going.....at least in Australia only bad people carry guns while the good have nothing, and get crucified if we kill someone in defense in our own home...(see what i did there)..............the killer should be made example of

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Another sad story from the US involving guns... when will they learn? probably never

This was a couple of gangsters having a shoot out, and a little girl getting hit accidentally. I can absolutely guarantee you that none of the people in that shoot out had legally bought and licensed guns, and I can also guarantee you that no gun control laws would have prevented them from illegally buying them.

Not that I'm backing up Powereaver's point. But you can't really say that when you look at the amount of gun crime in countries with strict gun laws.

It probably would be too late to change anything now in the US, because it's already so ingrained in the culture. But to say that there would be the amount of guncrime that there is in the US if guns were just out and out illegal is fallacious. Simply because how low gun crime is in countries that have put zero tolerance on people owning them.

I never claimed that there would be no reduction to gun crime if there was higher gun control, of course there would, but there would not be a reduction in THIS type of gun crime. There are two kinds of gun crimes, ones that are committed using legally possessed weapons, and ones that are committed using illegally possessed weapons.

Gun crimes that are committed with legally possessed weapons are usually accidental shootings, crimes of passion, or unjustified self defense. This is the kind of crime that would be greatly reduced with stricter gun control, but this is not the type of crime that was committed in this case.

The type of crime that was committed in this case was a gang style shooting, and gang shootings are committed with illegally bought and possessed weapons. These kinds of crimes would not be affected by stricter gun control because the guns being used are ALREADY illegal, and neither the people selling, buying, or using the guns care about their illegal nature, which wouldn't change if gun control laws became stricter.

 

[GenericAmerican]

Oh look another thread turned into a gun control debate. It pisses me off because EVERYONE suddenly becomes an expert, even if they've never set foot anywhere in the western hemisphere.

 

[w9496]

At first I was very shocked, but when I saw the name of the city I wasn't anymore.

Chicago. I was only in the city for 2 hours and I had heard gunshots. Something is wrong with that place.