70 Year Old Experiment Proves Pitch Is Viscous

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Earnest Cavalli

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70 Year Old Experiment Proves Pitch Is Viscous



After seven decades of waiting, scientists at Trinity College have photographic evidence proving that pitch is not a solid.

In 1944, Nobel Prize winner Ernest Walton and colleagues at Trinity College set up a seemingly simple scientific test. The researchers wanted to determine, once and for all, what sort of material pitch actually is. While increasingly uncommon in modern life, back in the '40s pitch was a facet of everyday existence, but the thick black substance had always straddled a confusing line between solid and liquid. It looks solid, and will remain in place if you attempt to move it, but at the same time it's deformable and won't support weight.

Noticing these myriad properties, Walton's team placed lumps of pitch into a funnel, then placed the funnel in a jar, before sealing the whole thing off. The idea here is that over time the pitch would have to conform to one set of physical rules or another. If it remained in the funnel it could be described as a particularly squishy solid, but if it flowed out the bottom of the apparatus scientists would know that pitch is viscous.

Over the years a few small drops of pitch fell from the funnel, but since no one was monitoring the experiment around the clock, these tiny drops of black goo weren't enough proof. Thus, when researchers recently noticed a new drop forming at the bottom of the funnel, they set up a 24-hour webcam to document the process, and finally prove once and for all that pitch can flow (but that it does so extremely slowly).

One week ago, the Trinity College team revealed that it had captured imagery of the pitch drop falling from the funnel. Normally this is where we'd direct you to said imagery, but unfortunately Ireland's RTÉ news network offers poor embedding options. You can watch a news report which includes the last moments of the experiment if you visit the network's official site [http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0717/463097-trinity-college-dublin-pitch-experiment/].

What practical applications does this discovery yield? Not many. This was one of those tests science periodically runs simply to determine why and how things work. Pitch isn't even that common these days, whereas it served as the go-to waterproofing element in the first-half of the 20th century. Propers to science for documenting proof of the goo's viscous qualities though. Now DARPA can get to work on weaponizing the stuff.

Source: RTÉ [http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0717/463097-trinity-college-dublin-pitch-experiment/]

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kajinking

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Pitch was used for water-proofing? Isn't that also the stuff that you set on fire and drop on people in Stronghold games?
 

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kajinking said:
Pitch was used for water-proofing? Isn't that also the stuff that you set on fire and drop on people in Stronghold games?
Yes, centuries ago that was a thing people used pitch for. When ignited it acts somewhat like napalm, only napalm tends to be a bit more viscous.
 

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kajinking said:
Pitch was used for water-proofing? Isn't that also the stuff that you set on fire and drop on people in Stronghold games?
Yep, it was used in ship building to waterproof wooden sailing vessels.

Including warships.

There's a reason pre-metal hulled war vessels tended to burn to the water.
 

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AC10 said:
What is pitch? What is it made of? I've never heard of it.
Wikipedia says: "Pitch is a name for any of a number of viscoelastic, solid polymers. Pitch can be made from petroleum products or plants. Petroleum-derived pitch is also called bitumen or asphalt. Pitch produced from plants is also known as resin. Some products made from plant resin are also known as rosin."

Think: tar, but more solid.
 

Teoes

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Only for science! can you close the barn door after the horse has bolted and still call it success.



I watched the video on the RTE and have to express extreme approval of the SCIENtist they interviewed and the lecture hall shown. I miss studying SCIENCE.
 

lacktheknack

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Cool.

Now, they should try it on glass, just to prove that one once and for all too.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Cool.

Now, they should try it on glass, just to prove that one once and for all too.
It's a solid: http://www.cmog.org/article/does-glass-flow
http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/mirrors/physicsfaq/General/Glass/glass.html

I mean... it does... things. But it's more solid then the lead that holds it in a stained glass window.
 

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but unfortunately Ireland's RTÉ news network offers poor embedding options. You can watch a news report which includes the last moments of the experiment if you visit the network's official site.
Godammit RTE, can't you do anything right?!

Such a horrible state broadcaster.......
 

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Good on them. And considering it just sat there for decades, I think we can safely assume they didn't have to invest a lot to answer this question. Besides time, of course.
 

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MinionJoe said:
Skeleon said:
Good on them. And considering it just sat there for decades, I think we can safely assume they didn't have to invest a lot to answer this question. Besides time, of course.
Well, taking 1944 prices for a funnel, a beaker, supporting apparatus and a lump of pitch and adjusting for 70 years of inflation, the entire experiment cost an estimated equivalent of $16.7 billion USD.

Seriously though, I do wonder if there was some sort of long-term grant or research trust set up for this project given its exceptionally long duration. It'd be a good model for any future long-term projects because, generally, humans aren't very good with anything that lasts more than 5 years.
It probably cost like 10$ in total, mostly because you could just get interns watching the thing.
 

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I thought we already weaponized pitch? With fire, and catapults, and possibly drunken sailors? And I'm really glad someone noticed the apparatus that has been sitting in the lab for 70 years. What, was it in the back of a closet? Behind the safety equipment? In that weird box marked "misc" in every lab, under the counter in the cabinet you never open?

Oh, who am I kidding, this was probably just sitting on a counter somewhere, and nobody bothered to move it elsewhere.
 

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Wait, 70 years ago the set up an experiment and then left it? I'm just trying to wrap my head round this.

Did people say "hey, whats in there?" at any point or was it answered with "probably nothing, nobody goes in there"? Then when budget cuts forced them to try and make the most of what they got, so they read the notes and then carried out the experiment when they saw another drop?

Or maybe a guy (probably the only original team member) poked his head in every day to check up on it, although after 5 years you would give up on that one ... wouldn't you?
 

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For a long time I honestly thought this was a news story about music :/

I think that was a better world.