Yeah, that statement by Steyer was so stupid and illogical that it actually caused me physical pain. How can the videogame industry control what their kids play? Did someone from Rockstar put a gun everyone's heads until they bought San Andreas?AugustFall said:
72 Percent of Adults Support California Game Law - UPDATED
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If "doing enough to protect them" is defined as "not selling them at all" it's unfair to the intended audience and medium. Also I cannot stress the point that CHILDREN AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING THESE GAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE. The point of ANY rating system is an acknowledgement that games vary in content and one end of that spectrum is material the wee-ones aren't supposed to see. They are indicators to the retailer and the consumer to easily be responsible in their choices.
Here's an idea: Make it so you have to sign a copy of the recipt from retailers to pick it up a game regardless of payment method. Why? Have a law that said signature is a legally binding admission they know what the game is and how it's rated (in short- a waiver). Parents won't be able to complain even if they were just picking up "that game their child was asking for".
Here's an idea: Make it so you have to sign a copy of the recipt from retailers to pick it up a game regardless of payment method. Why? Have a law that said signature is a legally binding admission they know what the game is and how it's rated (in short- a waiver). Parents won't be able to complain even if they were just picking up "that game their child was asking for".
I'd love to see how many of these people screaming that "it's the parents job" to keep their children safe actually have kids...
If you haven't heard, raising kids is hard. Even though, yes, IT IS the parents job to protect their children, many parents are too busy or simply are not provided with the right information to keep children safe. Not only that, but we all know that regardless of the parent's will kids will always find away around their rules. "Its the parents job" is not a good counter-argument to the proposed law.
Also, i completely disagree that its not society's role to children safe. We can't just say "oh well, its the parents job" when there is an issue regarding children. As we can all agree, people are in general pretty darn stupid but why should children's well being be compromised because of that?
Children are not allowed to enter an R or 17+ movie, so why should they be allowed to buy the videogame equivalent?
PS - all your unbridled anger at a trivial survey shows that clearly you are all much more mature and intelligent than the surveyed individuals...
If you haven't heard, raising kids is hard. Even though, yes, IT IS the parents job to protect their children, many parents are too busy or simply are not provided with the right information to keep children safe. Not only that, but we all know that regardless of the parent's will kids will always find away around their rules. "Its the parents job" is not a good counter-argument to the proposed law.
Also, i completely disagree that its not society's role to children safe. We can't just say "oh well, its the parents job" when there is an issue regarding children. As we can all agree, people are in general pretty darn stupid but why should children's well being be compromised because of that?
Children are not allowed to enter an R or 17+ movie, so why should they be allowed to buy the videogame equivalent?
PS - all your unbridled anger at a trivial survey shows that clearly you are all much more mature and intelligent than the surveyed individuals...
Ultimately, the fear is that if the law passes, M will be rendered the same as AO, which basically has the same effect as banning it in Germany (except in America). With the lack of a 15+ ESRB classification, that's a problem, considering that the USA is probably the largest video games market in the world at the moment.
(At least in the UK, the restriction of the sale of video games to minors apply equally to movies. And movies are a "mainstream medium", so that's all right. Plus the law was introduced probably since the days of Mortal Kombat 1.)
(At least in the UK, the restriction of the sale of video games to minors apply equally to movies. And movies are a "mainstream medium", so that's all right. Plus the law was introduced probably since the days of Mortal Kombat 1.)
Actually, the article said "72% of adults," Not "72% of parents." It kind of makes you wonder who they were surveying...Canid117 said:
Not wanting to "attack the messenger" here, but This "survey group" seems like it has an agenda and I'd be very quick to question their practices. Where did they pole? What was the makeup of the polled population? How were the questions worded? Were the surveyees shown the violent montage before being polled? How many of the polled population understand the ESRB and its role in enforcing parental controls.
Mark Twain once said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Mark Twain once said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
I hate to quote videos, but nearly every state has a similar law that was simply bitchslapped by the supreme court.Woodsey said:
If this one is upheld, all the others revive.
they dont think games companys are doing enough? what do they want? there is an obvious age rating for children to not play these games so if they play them its the parents who need a slap. what do they want them to do? an age activated laser defence system.
Someone make a video of gameplay from Portal, Insaniquarium, Plants vs Zombies, (that might be a long shot) or similar NOT VIOLENT AT ALL games. That'll show em.
While I'm under the age of 17 (can't buy rated M games) I've been told more times than I care to count that I'm mature. And any parent who can't tell if their kid is mature enough to play the games might not be the greatest of parents.
While I'm under the age of 17 (can't buy rated M games) I've been told more times than I care to count that I'm mature. And any parent who can't tell if their kid is mature enough to play the games might not be the greatest of parents.
Right, right, so basically parents want to go with the law JUST BECAUSE OF GTA SAN ANDREAS.
WHAT ABOUT REAL VIOLENT GAMES LIKE MANHUNT OR CONDEMNED BUT NOO, GTA IS THE AMBASSADOR MODERN GAMING IS IT?
PARENTS ARE IN CHARGE OF WHAT THEIR KIDS SHOULD PLAY OR WATCH.END OF.
WHAT ABOUT REAL VIOLENT GAMES LIKE MANHUNT OR CONDEMNED BUT NOO, GTA IS THE AMBASSADOR MODERN GAMING IS IT?
PARENTS ARE IN CHARGE OF WHAT THEIR KIDS SHOULD PLAY OR WATCH.END OF.
Yeah, this is a bit ridiculous. You can't go to any major retailer and buy an M rated game if you're under 17 already. Why make it illegal, if it's already regulated internally. Are we going to have to worry about people making fake ID's to buy video games now, too?
This seriously depressed me. If this is what happens to free speech in america, you know the thing YOUR soldiers are FIGHTING AND DYING FOR, and so you try to rape it like this. The founding fathers would be ashamed. Even as an englishman I still believe strongly in what the founding fathers believed in. This is dreadful. It makes me really fucking despise the world again. Off topic, can someone please show us all something cool because I was in a really mellow state before I read this, I was happy, dammit.
Really? That's rather surprising.Andy Chalk said:
I think this issue could be resolved by requiring the stores to ID minors for the purchase of rated M games unless a parent comes with them and approves of the purchase, thus ending the bitching of the "Media Wacthdogs" and subsequently putting full responsibility on the shoulders of the parents if the law is put into effect (as they would have only themselves to blame if their fourteen year old kid decided to buy, let's say, Manhunt, as they would've need the parents permission to begin with[footnote]Unless the kid had a fake idea, then it's both the kid's and the parent's fault[/footnote]), which I'm sure the court ruling will likely end in.
Probably, what they want is to "get rid of those damned video games because they are the devil's work" (Source: The Voice in my Head That Sounds Like an Old Lady). They did the same thing with movies, comic books, music, pen-and-paper RPG's, and pretty much any form of entertainment that doesn't involve going to church.ctrl said: