72 Percent of Adults Support California Game Law - UPDATED
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While it may seem like common sense that parents would be the ones to decide to what their kids play, a 13 year old will figure out a way to play "KillingAndMurder 3". Kids are resourceful bastards, I know this because I used to be one.
You forgot about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pray there aren't any consequences.Macgyvercas said:
Can't we just kill all children in the entire world and make abortions mandatory? This way they wont be traumatized.
How about they take responsibility for what their kids play? People moan about state interference and big government in the US then they ask the government to control their kids for them. Its crap.
This is a sad day indeed... "Common Sense Media"... yeah... right... that's not common sense at all. Parents need to start being parents and not full time nannies. The other day I saw a 30 something "business man" buying Red Dead Redeption (PS3) to his kid while still glued to his cell phone yelling at some poor soul about something. How I despise these people...
...what?Andy Chalk said:
Is he telling me that the game industry is forcing kids to play violent video games? Because my sister forbid my nephew to play a copy of God of War 2 he got from a friend because she thought it was too violent for a 9 year old, and I swear I don't remember any industry suits kicking our door in.
In my experience 14 year olds are dick heads anyway so that's no huge loss. Will this law only govern the sale? Like if I buy it and a younger cousin plays it have I broken a law? (Not that I care much all the way over here in Ireland.)The Great JT said:
It is not illegal in the US. The industry self-imposes and self-enforces age ratings, but there is not currently any legal requirement for them to do so. If this law survives the supreme court, games will be considered a controlled substance, like cigarettes or alcohol, and not art or media, like film or literature.Javex said:
This law is a big fucking deal.
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Yea, I do love a good old fashioned misleading poll designed to support a law that would make it illegal to sell pretty much any video game, but jesus christ? He does realize hes basically asking people if they support the sale of handguns to minors for the purpose of murdering senior citizens just like your grandma!, right?
The fact this is in the supreme court at all is embarrassing enough. Does this guy really have to prove he thinks you and the supreme court are utterly stupid?
Yea, I do love a good old fashioned misleading poll designed to support a law that would make it illegal to sell pretty much any video game, but jesus christ? He does realize hes basically asking people if they support the sale of handguns to minors for the purpose of murdering senior citizens just like your grandma!, right?
The fact this is in the supreme court at all is embarrassing enough. Does this guy really have to prove he thinks you and the supreme court are utterly stupid?
Some retailers have carding policies, but that is not the same thing as this very openly worded law, built around a test that, for all intents and purposes, says "if it offends you, it is illegal!"Javex said:
It isn't the industry's job to keep the kids from buying games, it's the parents. If you can't keep a hold on your kid's wallet, you're doing it wrong. Grow up, take your responsibility, and learn to take care of your child.
Though I admit, in Sweden, it works fine. If I want to buy an 18+ rated game, the kind folks at GAME ask me to call my dad, or they recognize me by the amount of times I go there.
Though I admit, in Sweden, it works fine. If I want to buy an 18+ rated game, the kind folks at GAME ask me to call my dad, or they recognize me by the amount of times I go there.
I'm pretty sure this 'evidence' shows the opposite, parents don't want to take an active interest in what their children are doing but when they do something wrong it's everyone else's fault.Andy Chalk said:
If you don't want your kid playing GTA than don't buy it for him/her.
News like this doesn't surprise me anymore, but damn is it ever depressing being continually reminded how astronomically stupid people are.
News flash to parents! Don't want your children playing "ultra-violent video games"? Don't buy them!
Seriously, this isn't hard.
News flash to parents! Don't want your children playing "ultra-violent video games"? Don't buy them!
Seriously, this isn't hard.
Sounds to me like the poll itself was biased. If the only examples of M rated games they showed were the absolute worst-cases of course parents are going to say the games industry isn't doing enough to protect children. Also the language in the poll itself seemed to want to demonize the games industry since it seemed to refer to mature games as 'ultra-violent'. Who exactly is in charge of Common Sense Media? Where do they get their money?
Anyone notice that all of the games (with the exception of 50 cent) are super old? Gaming has evolved a lot since Postal 2 (what the hell was that game even supposed to be?).
We've kind of shot ourselves in the foot with those games mentioned above, but to insist that the gaming industry doesn't do enough to protect minor (which they do, and have been required to do since the court case that resulted in the ESRB), is insulting and provably wrong.
This "common sense media" is a group of obnoxious alarmists and parents who don't want to take responsibility for what their kids watch or play. I'm generalizing obviously, but the point is still valid. The same obnoxious, alarmist attitude was responsible for public outcry against comic books, D&D, rock and roll, and pretty much all cultural touchstones since men and women decided dancing together would be kind of fun (in itself once a major cultural taboo, and said to be the work of the devil).
I'm ranting too much, but the basic point is this. We need to make our voices heard to prevent extremist attitudes from banning our past time as though we were a bunch of rowdy children. We need to wake up, and grow up. We need to engage these people on their own ground, and we must stand up to them, and we will win because they are provably in the wrong. I'm so tired of this argument, let's end it once and for all!
We've kind of shot ourselves in the foot with those games mentioned above, but to insist that the gaming industry doesn't do enough to protect minor (which they do, and have been required to do since the court case that resulted in the ESRB), is insulting and provably wrong.
This "common sense media" is a group of obnoxious alarmists and parents who don't want to take responsibility for what their kids watch or play. I'm generalizing obviously, but the point is still valid. The same obnoxious, alarmist attitude was responsible for public outcry against comic books, D&D, rock and roll, and pretty much all cultural touchstones since men and women decided dancing together would be kind of fun (in itself once a major cultural taboo, and said to be the work of the devil).
I'm ranting too much, but the basic point is this. We need to make our voices heard to prevent extremist attitudes from banning our past time as though we were a bunch of rowdy children. We need to wake up, and grow up. We need to engage these people on their own ground, and we must stand up to them, and we will win because they are provably in the wrong. I'm so tired of this argument, let's end it once and for all!
I see that most responses are along the lines of "parents have to do parenting, not the Almighty State". Well, i'm concerned less about the bad parenting and more about THE POSSIBLE DESTRUCTION OF THE GAMING AS AN ART FORM. Bad parents are still bad and should think about their children more, mind you.
The point behind that law is to deprive games of the protection by First Amendment. Racist homophobic bigots are protected, videogames may soon lose this protection. How fucked up is that, i ask you all?Javex said: