72 Percent of Adults Support California Game Law - UPDATED
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I think the questions are unfairly worded. In the poll, if you think that videogames with violence should be allowed, you will also have to agree that sexual assault is fine in video games, so many people will disagree. Futhermore, define "ultraviolent". For some parents, that might mean Manhunt, for others, Pokemon.
The only reason that it's doing a "POOR" job of protecting children from violent video games is because you adult jaggoffs buy the games for them, even though it has an "M" rating, plain and simple, on the box.
No no no no nonononono No. California. Once again you are being Ohsosilly. And wrong.
Wrong wrong wrong.
I very rarely whip out the 'you are wrong' card. But stop giving up what you American's pride yourselves on (freedom to choose) to other people because you're too pussy to tell your children that they're being ridiculous for imitating behaviour on a VIDEO GAME.
This is wrong.
We've done it in the UK, Down Under, and in numerous other countries. NOTHING has changed and it has caused more problems than it had before we regulated distribution. Infact it has caused kids to steal, to want these games more, to encourage the content in these games to BE forbidden. When really all it is no worse than can be found on the internet at any time in any movies on TV past 8 o'clock.
Don't be stupid. And don't for the love of all that is holy, do this to yourselves.
Ratings are there, Stores Adhere to them. That is all that is needed.
Wrong wrong wrong.
I very rarely whip out the 'you are wrong' card. But stop giving up what you American's pride yourselves on (freedom to choose) to other people because you're too pussy to tell your children that they're being ridiculous for imitating behaviour on a VIDEO GAME.
This is wrong.
We've done it in the UK, Down Under, and in numerous other countries. NOTHING has changed and it has caused more problems than it had before we regulated distribution. Infact it has caused kids to steal, to want these games more, to encourage the content in these games to BE forbidden. When really all it is no worse than can be found on the internet at any time in any movies on TV past 8 o'clock.
Don't be stupid. And don't for the love of all that is holy, do this to yourselves.
Ratings are there, Stores Adhere to them. That is all that is needed.
There should be an extra question in there: How would you rate your parenting skills, based on the fact that want to allow a law that punishes companies simply because you refuse to watch what your child buys, or even sit down with him for a while to explain to him the difference between a game and reality. Jeez, and the company that did the study is called Common Sense?
If you don't want your little ones playing, don't buy.
If your little one buys the game on his/her own with his/her allowance, maybe you should make the kid return it and hand out smaller allowances.
Admittedly, if the kid did by it on his/her own, the store selling the M rated game to an unsupervised minor says something about that store...
And if your kid bought the game with money he/she earned from a part time job, kids aren't legally allowed to work until they're sixteen (in America anyway) and if you think your kid may get too absorbed into the violence and go ballistic in public as a result, then your kid needs therapy.
If your little one buys the game on his/her own with his/her allowance, maybe you should make the kid return it and hand out smaller allowances.
Admittedly, if the kid did by it on his/her own, the store selling the M rated game to an unsupervised minor says something about that store...
And if your kid bought the game with money he/she earned from a part time job, kids aren't legally allowed to work until they're sixteen (in America anyway) and if you think your kid may get too absorbed into the violence and go ballistic in public as a result, then your kid needs therapy.
"Common Sense Media"
Yet the first question asks the public if they disapprove of Either of THREE DIFFERENT THINGS!!
That is not a "common sense" approach, that is like asking:
"do you dislike either the republican or democrat party"
then interpreting the yes result as "X% of people don't like politics in general", it spreads the question and combines the percentages. Jesus Christ, this is worse than amateur hour, this is PROFESSIONAL manipulation!
Sexually explicit games are ALREADY RESTRICTED under obscenity laws!!!
Yet "sexual assault of the image of a human being", what game has that? They mean tea-bagging? That's NOT sexual assault and they are being deceptive to the interview audience to claim that is it, I suspect most people were thinking of something like the infamous "Rap(e)lay" or something like that.
Blatantly manipulative poll. Also who wants to bet they hung around churches on Sunday to get the target market they only want to hear.
Yet the first question asks the public if they disapprove of Either of THREE DIFFERENT THINGS!!
That is not a "common sense" approach, that is like asking:
"do you dislike either the republican or democrat party"
then interpreting the yes result as "X% of people don't like politics in general", it spreads the question and combines the percentages. Jesus Christ, this is worse than amateur hour, this is PROFESSIONAL manipulation!
Sexually explicit games are ALREADY RESTRICTED under obscenity laws!!!
Yet "sexual assault of the image of a human being", what game has that? They mean tea-bagging? That's NOT sexual assault and they are being deceptive to the interview audience to claim that is it, I suspect most people were thinking of something like the infamous "Rap(e)lay" or something like that.
Blatantly manipulative poll. Also who wants to bet they hung around churches on Sunday to get the target market they only want to hear.
i want to be the one to decides what my kids play thats why you need to be doing more to decide what my kids play!
wait, what?
if you cant stop your kids from playing something then you probably deserve to have your child taken away.
wait, what?
if you cant stop your kids from playing something then you probably deserve to have your child taken away.
Since everybody who opposes videogames is reasonably assumed to be idiots, and these idiots seem to be getting their way due to rational and logical arguments from the relatively more intellectual minority of America being ignored; then they must be doing something right. Why don't we, too, subscribe to their method of gathering "evidence"? Why don't we start creating biased opinion polls and surveys?
If the stupid people are going to win by stupid methods, then we should win by even stupider methods.
If the stupid people are going to win by stupid methods, then we should win by even stupider methods.
standards like this would not even fly in a statistics class, much less in any legitimate scientific proof.boholikeu said:
Ah, the ongoing arguement: parents are somehow still woefully ill-informed despite clear legal branding of games as per age groups, and they still buy their clearly underage kids games they're nowhere near mature enough for. [having the rating take up half of the box art though might work,or visible signage on each game shelf, showing the ratings system and the age groups]
But people would more then likely ignore that too
Translation: people are idiots despite intelligent people trying to keeps kids away from mature content, and they still try to blame somebody else for their lacking competence as a parent.
Honestly, people should have a license to have kids, people still clearly buy their kids mature rated games, and still feign ignorance when they suddenly realise what their kids are playing.
The poster above who was a gamestop or ebgames cashier [page 2 i think], i've seen that happen often, people seem to be blind to a clearly marked game, and think somehow their 12 year old is ready for it.
True you cannot refuse a purchase from someone who is of age, but if you could refuse sales on the basis that they're buying for someone underage, people might realise what they're buying.
But we all know that people are just stupid, and lacking knowledge, so we cant do much except deal with it
But people would more then likely ignore that too
Translation: people are idiots despite intelligent people trying to keeps kids away from mature content, and they still try to blame somebody else for their lacking competence as a parent.
Honestly, people should have a license to have kids, people still clearly buy their kids mature rated games, and still feign ignorance when they suddenly realise what their kids are playing.
The poster above who was a gamestop or ebgames cashier [page 2 i think], i've seen that happen often, people seem to be blind to a clearly marked game, and think somehow their 12 year old is ready for it.
True you cannot refuse a purchase from someone who is of age, but if you could refuse sales on the basis that they're buying for someone underage, people might realise what they're buying.
But we all know that people are just stupid, and lacking knowledge, so we cant do much except deal with it
One thing I do love about the Australian ratings system, all of our media (music, movies/tv & videogames) use the same ratings and the same colour coded symbols. So NO parent can claim they didn't understand then its a universal rating system. We just need R18+ added in for games, but that will come with time.nash_clovis said:
If there's anything I hate more than the government trying to interfere with my video game playing, it's interfering with my First Amendment rights. And this does both!
Learn to be parents people! Get involved with your kid's lives. Know what games they're playin, and talk to them. Who knows, maybe you'll find out they're more mature than you think.
I for one, have always been against pretending the world is one big happy place for kids. Once they get to like 8 it's time to learn that the world is one f'ed up place.
Learn to be parents people! Get involved with your kid's lives. Know what games they're playin, and talk to them. Who knows, maybe you'll find out they're more mature than you think.
I for one, have always been against pretending the world is one big happy place for kids. Once they get to like 8 it's time to learn that the world is one f'ed up place.
I'm not sure about how the laws work in the US, but in this country there's already a rating system in use (specifically, the PEGI system) that prevents the sale of adults only games to minors (so, anyone under 18). Lower age restrictions on games (being 3, 7, 12 and 16) are just recommendations.
Or there is that national rating system thing, which basically has about the same age categories but makes it illegal to sell to anyone under the indicated category, no matter if it's 16 or 7, but I've seen that on about three games. I think it costs something to get the national review, whereas PEGI reviews everything anyhow and is considered valid.
When I was a minor, the clerk prevented me from buying an adults only game maybe twice. Most of the time, they didn't even give a shit, even though it was illegal for them to sell me any of that.
Or there is that national rating system thing, which basically has about the same age categories but makes it illegal to sell to anyone under the indicated category, no matter if it's 16 or 7, but I've seen that on about three games. I think it costs something to get the national review, whereas PEGI reviews everything anyhow and is considered valid.
When I was a minor, the clerk prevented me from buying an adults only game maybe twice. Most of the time, they didn't even give a shit, even though it was illegal for them to sell me any of that.