Shio said:
But if one wishes to define any event that comes into contact with or otherwise involves the genitals as sexual, then all murderers that glance upon their victim's body are guilty of sexual crimes. I agree with the police here; the act wasn't sexual in nature.
But this wasn't a simple "glance", this was deliberately trying to embarrass a little child by revealing his genitals in public daylight. If the girls were beating him up and his shirt randomly flew off, I would agree with you I suppose, but these girls purposefully and forcefully removed his clothes. If you reverse the situation, no doubt everyone would consider this sexual assault, not "a prank gone too far".
PaulH said:
Which was my point, I mean there's no indication of sexual gratification ... so it was a pack of girls beating and humiliating a person.
You're point was that "was this a maliciously induced crime?" And yes, it was a maliciously induced crime. You're point was that if the situation was reversed ("if they were adults" instead of just boys), you would still have the same reaction because "kids will be kids", and no, if it was reversed the book would be thrown so hard at them they would never see daylight. How is this a "prank" and yet the reverse would be considered "rape"?
It's a prank that went to far, sure, but ... what? Do you think it's a good idea people label them also as sick, twisted rapists in the making? As I said ... frivolous, is frivolous, is frivolous. Kid got bullied, therefore police and greater judicial presences are needed? Really...?
That's the kinda society you want?
Strawman, but an understandable one. I don't want to label them as rapists or whatever, I simply stated that's what would have happened if the situation was reversed. While I do think these girls deserved to be punished much more heavily than now, I don't think their lives should be ruined and whatnot as some people are saying.
So instead of having a child learn to stand up for himself and take their beatings with good humour you want to create more precedents for a kid crying wolf to media and police...? How exactly does this idea improve humanity?
Or hell, actually helps the 'vicim' get over the (possible) loss of his pride?
He's eleven (11) goddamn years old! He was goddamn jumped by three (3) large fifteen (15) year old girls out of nowhere, beaten up with his throat kneed, while simultaneously having them forcibly remove his clothing and recording and posting it on YouTube for all to see. Humanity isn't degraded because the kid couldn't stand up for himself. Humanity is degraded because
these girls were heartless bitches. Again, if this situation was reversed, would you tell the girl to "get over your (possible) loss of pride"?
Don't blame the victim here. He's
eleven fucking years old. He probably just
started discovering girls, for fuck's sake.
And since when does the crap you go through in school actually happen again in the real world of adult politicking and money-making?
So because this will likely not happen again we should turn a blind eye? You know, I know this analogy doesn't quite fit, but murders only happen once as well.
In high school I snapped a molar, chipped one more and suffered a concussion when hit in the face with a cricket bat ... 7th week into my enrollment in High. Senior didn't like me, beat the living shit out of me.
That's still pretty much assault. Now, whether or not you do anything is your choice. Same with the mother, I suppose.
That's what school is like ... you get bullied, trampled on, then you get that little bit stronger, and you learn that the world isn't going to give you a free ride. You have to earn your happiness.
Don't be telling me that this 11-year old boy needs to start learning that the world will be cruel to him already. He's
eleven years old.
I think you're confusing bullying/harassment with assault. A senior pushing a kid in a garbage can would be bullying. A senior smacking someone's face with a cricket bat is assault. The former would teach you not to deal with jerks like him (or her). The latter would teach you not to get mugged. Which do we really need to teach our kids (especially 11-year old ones) in school about?
Part of the educational process. Irt's not nice, probably better that it was gone. But it will never be gone. It is status quo for the entire world. And honestly ... sure I get the occasional pain in my jaw and what remains of those damaged teeth when I eat, but I can honestly say I probably needed a good thrashing in my youth.
He. Is. 11. Years. Old. You are confusing bullying with assault. And considering that this was off school property, where most bullying occurs in some form, this can easily be branded as a mugging, though I wont go there. You may have needed a
patcha fumena rieghn (smack on the head in Hebrew), but I doubt this kid really needed to deal with anything like that for a while.
Please ... he's 11, not 4. Unless you have had a remarkably sheltered life you can damn well be certain if he's your average kid around the block that he's fixates on girls in his classes 99.99% of the time ... you know ... in between the time spent pretending to listen in class and when he's jerking off to other girls after discovering (6 years ago) internet porn.
And mental scarring? Please. I mean if the kid is hurt so easily then he had major issues to begin with.
I dunno, depends on where you live I suppose. I, personally, played the "Mr. Hand" game when I was, like, 10 I suppose and never really got truly interested in girls until, say 12 or 13. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose (har d har,
strokes.
But even then, I don't really think age matters at this point (I know, right, because I have totally been avoiding using age for this post.....or, I will stop now at least). Think if this happened to, say, a 30 year old man who is mugged by three 35 year old women. They jump him, start removing his clothes, beat him up, knee his throat, and then proceed to post the whole thing on YouTube or something. Would he
really not have any mental scarring by being beaten up by some girls and then humiliated online? Either you have nerves of steel, or you don't really understand the potential psychological effects it would have. And again, the ever oft-used excuse of "if the situation was reversed", would the girl in that situation not suffer any psychological effects?
And just saying, this kid is now probably a part of that internet porn for some truly disturbed people to see...
*holy shit, this is a long post... Want to continue this through PM? I'd be more than happy to as this is just clogging up the thread*
