91 year old sentenced to jail for his role in killing Jews.
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This is a two part answer; a message over how punishment is necessary, and also about this mans case.
Age shouldn't garner leniency or grant freedom. In the same way a smoker will not escape the consequences they bring on by their actions, people who perform such horrific acts such should be held accountable. It would be nice to be able to "forgive and forget", but (to quote Movie Bob) "we do not live in a perfect world", and whilst some would view the act as kindness, others would see it as a weakness. Compassion should not be taken into account for such heinous crimes against humanity, and judgement should be passed in a fair court of law.
Concerning the defendant, the card evidence is shady. I do not have an opinion on whether the ID card is fake or not, but believe that further investigation should be put into action to give the best possible answer. Also, though his family are obviously looking out for his wellbeing, I do not know whether trying to persuade the court that he is too frail to stand trial to get him off the hook, so to speak. This is obviously not evidence, but if they use this as a ploy to shield him, then
If the man has, as so many people believe, had nightmares or regretted his actions, then why not hand himself in? He has had plenty of time for this guilt to naw away at his conscience, even into old age, but even now he can't admit his part in all of this? If he is guilty of any crime, then by refusing to admit it he continues to spit in the faces of everyone murdered in the camps, in the streets and in foreign lands: how do you find forgiveness with such an act?
Age shouldn't garner leniency or grant freedom. In the same way a smoker will not escape the consequences they bring on by their actions, people who perform such horrific acts such should be held accountable. It would be nice to be able to "forgive and forget", but (to quote Movie Bob) "we do not live in a perfect world", and whilst some would view the act as kindness, others would see it as a weakness. Compassion should not be taken into account for such heinous crimes against humanity, and judgement should be passed in a fair court of law.
Concerning the defendant, the card evidence is shady. I do not have an opinion on whether the ID card is fake or not, but believe that further investigation should be put into action to give the best possible answer. Also, though his family are obviously looking out for his wellbeing, I do not know whether trying to persuade the court that he is too frail to stand trial to get him off the hook, so to speak. This is obviously not evidence, but if they use this as a ploy to shield him, then
If the man has, as so many people believe, had nightmares or regretted his actions, then why not hand himself in? He has had plenty of time for this guilt to naw away at his conscience, even into old age, but even now he can't admit his part in all of this? If he is guilty of any crime, then by refusing to admit it he continues to spit in the faces of everyone murdered in the camps, in the streets and in foreign lands: how do you find forgiveness with such an act?
Justice has to be seen to be done. The whole system of legality and morality that would condemn gthis man is undone if he isn't pinished.
Accessory to murder? Man, whatever, any effect that this punishment may have had would be lost on this guy.
Also, he'd just be a massive drain on taxes, considering the healthcare and such like that the state are required to give him. Waste of time if you ask me
Also, he'd just be a massive drain on taxes, considering the healthcare and such like that the state are required to give him. Waste of time if you ask me
I like how justice systems around the world are fine trying to convict people over botched evidence.
You people are mean. I'm not a Nazi sympathizer but people were often forced to work for the Nazis, on the threat of their lives, and the lives of their family, be taken. Personally, I would protect this guy and pray for him. Don't condemn him, everyone is guilty of sin, even the Jews weren't perfect. Yes what the Nazis did was evil, but this guy should not be punished. If he was a POW then he shouldn't be blamed for being forced to do what he did. If anyone should burn in hell, it's the people here who are calling him an evil bastard and things like that.
Well the guy is being released.
I feel bad for the old guy even if he was guilty. What happend feels like it never happend to us because most of us are just way too young for that to seem truely real. But that's our flaw, our inability, something we should recognize as just that.
Question is why would the soviets make fake evidence that would implicate someone much further down the line of being a nazi before they even knew how bad they are(I'm guessing). At the very least, this guy was just a selfish dude that did whatever he could to not die including sacrificing others.
I don't think he was as bad to want to kill jews, so I don't think he deserves the same treatment or punishment as a nazi. We won't know the full story, like whether he acted extraordinarily cruel, but even based on what they do know, I don't think this particular person is really a nazi war criminal. But if there was a nazi war criminal, regardless of age, they should get punished.
I feel bad for the old guy even if he was guilty. What happend feels like it never happend to us because most of us are just way too young for that to seem truely real. But that's our flaw, our inability, something we should recognize as just that.
Question is why would the soviets make fake evidence that would implicate someone much further down the line of being a nazi before they even knew how bad they are(I'm guessing). At the very least, this guy was just a selfish dude that did whatever he could to not die including sacrificing others.
I don't think he was as bad to want to kill jews, so I don't think he deserves the same treatment or punishment as a nazi. We won't know the full story, like whether he acted extraordinarily cruel, but even based on what they do know, I don't think this particular person is really a nazi war criminal. But if there was a nazi war criminal, regardless of age, they should get punished.
I am against it, whether or not he is guilty I won't discuss that is for the court. But of me there are only two reason for jail. To prevent the person from doing it again or to rehabilitate, since neither of those make any sense for a 91 year old I find it pointless.
In my opinion, they should let him go. Most of the time the lower ranking soldiers ect were just following orders. The man has obviously tried to move on with his life and become a respectable US citizen and family man, let him live his last few years in peace.
I had family ancestors that died in the Holocaust and when I look at pictures of this man who, for all I know, may very well have killed my family, I don't see a murderer. I see an old man being haunted by his past. Punishing him will not changed what happened or give this surviving family member any piece of mind. It can only cause further suffering for his family and I know for sure that they didn't do anything wrong to deserve that.
I had family ancestors that died in the Holocaust and when I look at pictures of this man who, for all I know, may very well have killed my family, I don't see a murderer. I see an old man being haunted by his past. Punishing him will not changed what happened or give this surviving family member any piece of mind. It can only cause further suffering for his family and I know for sure that they didn't do anything wrong to deserve that.
It's difficult..
On one hand, compassion is important, and even people who perform inhuman acts do not forfeit humanity. It's by having respect and compassion for these people in the face of their crimes and the subsequent ease of hating them that we elevate our capacity for discrimination above theirs, and above simple 'us and them' thinking. I'd find it difficult to reconcile the massive problem I had with people celebrating the death of Bin Laden, for example, with the idea that a 91 year old man who is probably very much on the way out should be punished for the sake of being punished.
At the same time, the few people who survived the extermination camps could seldom walk away from it with the same dignity. If anyone has earned to right to seek revenge or to enact dehumanization on those who authorized or carried out such crimes or those who stood by in full knowledge and allowed it to happen, it's those people. To me it's not enough, but I lack the heart to speak for those people in matters of morality.
To me, the justice system stopped (or should have stopped) being about setting an example a long time ago when we stopped pulling out people's intestines in public. The fact is that whatever this person did he lived a whole life afterwards, and within a few years he'll be dead one way or another. Whether he dies at home, in hospital or in prison, he'll be gone regardless. If we think of living that life as escaping justice, then he's already done it. Personally, I prefer to think that noone 'escapes' anything, they just live long enough to die of old age.
If anyone can find victory in that, they're welcome to it.
On one hand, compassion is important, and even people who perform inhuman acts do not forfeit humanity. It's by having respect and compassion for these people in the face of their crimes and the subsequent ease of hating them that we elevate our capacity for discrimination above theirs, and above simple 'us and them' thinking. I'd find it difficult to reconcile the massive problem I had with people celebrating the death of Bin Laden, for example, with the idea that a 91 year old man who is probably very much on the way out should be punished for the sake of being punished.
At the same time, the few people who survived the extermination camps could seldom walk away from it with the same dignity. If anyone has earned to right to seek revenge or to enact dehumanization on those who authorized or carried out such crimes or those who stood by in full knowledge and allowed it to happen, it's those people. To me it's not enough, but I lack the heart to speak for those people in matters of morality.
To me, the justice system stopped (or should have stopped) being about setting an example a long time ago when we stopped pulling out people's intestines in public. The fact is that whatever this person did he lived a whole life afterwards, and within a few years he'll be dead one way or another. Whether he dies at home, in hospital or in prison, he'll be gone regardless. If we think of living that life as escaping justice, then he's already done it. Personally, I prefer to think that noone 'escapes' anything, they just live long enough to die of old age.
If anyone can find victory in that, they're welcome to it.
You are aware that they have been doing this since the 50's, right. Most of the guys they sent to jail then died in a few years just from old age, but now this is just ridiculous.theonlyblaze2 said:
OT: Doesn't really matter what they do to him, there are still hundreds of higher ups from the Nazi forces that have never and will never be caught. Mostly because most of them are dead.
I think they should let him free during the war you were forced to join the army of be shot he probaly didn't enjoy doing it but he had to so he could live.
Theres Darker sides to war my grand father was forced to join the red army and slaughter people.
I think we should forget about it and release him.
Theres Darker sides to war my grand father was forced to join the red army and slaughter people.
I think we should forget about it and release him.
He's 91 years old He'll die in a couple of years anyway he probably even couldn't do anything to harm anyone anymore HE'S BOUND TO A GODDAMN WHEELCHAIR, putting him to jail won't make anything better it'll just make the old man and his family miserable this is ridiculous
this seems to be the logic here
it's been 70 years, let the bugger go
don't murder cases become obsolete after a specific amount of time, even though new evidence is found?
it's been 70 years, let the bugger go
don't murder cases become obsolete after a specific amount of time, even though new evidence is found?