91 year old sentenced to jail for his role in killing Jews.

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WrongSprite said:
Yeah he'll be dead soon. May as well take any enjoyment he gets out of his life, the chap's a c*nt if you'll excuse the language. I hope he rots there. "Whats done is done" is no reason to ignore mass murder.
Yeah, because clearly a PoW who was forced to do what he was told instead of getting killed is a gigantic ****.
It isn't like you'd do crazy things when a bunch of crazy people point guns to your head, right? You'd be the badass guy who didn't care in the slightest that he was going to be brutally killed and never see his family or friends again, correct?
 

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It`s too damn late, maybe he was forced to serve in the German army, maybe he really hated Jews, theres no way to prove anything now, there is no evidence, no live witnesses and the man himself probably doesn't have much time left.
 

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First, it seems like most people in this thread have not actually read the article. If you haven't read the article, you don't really have any business posting in this thread.

Second, there appear to be enough doubts about the man's guilt that no court (in the U.S. at least) would ever convict him. What does that say about Germany?
 

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Jack the Potato said:
There is no statute of limitations on murder, so yea, I agree with the decision. However, at this point it feels like he pretty much got away with it.

Anyway, I think the most important piece of that article was this:

"We don't think that that's appropriate given the heinous nature of his crimes," Efraim Zuroff, the chief Nazi hunter at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, said in a telephone interview from Jerusalem.
Israel has an official CHIEF NAZI HUNTER. Can you say best job ever?
Makes you wonder if Palestine has a department that hunt jews
Is it wrong that I picture this guy wearing an eye-patch with a large scar across his face, 18 knives strapped to his body and balls the size of Texas?

"Nice to meet you, Efraim. So, what do you do for a living?"

"Oh, nothing special. I'm just the CHIEF NAZI HUNTER for my entire country. Ya know, it pays the bills."
 

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Considering he was tried several years ago for the murder of thousands of people... then yes, he deserves to be in jail. People, this guy was previously tried with the name "Ivan The Terrible". I'm pretty sure he didn't give flowers to the Jewish people in the concentration camps.
This same guy was also at one time on the most wanted Nazi criminal list according to the article.
 

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Easy Street said:
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43002291/ns/world_news-europe/t/john-demjanjuk-found-guilty-helping-kill-jews-nazi-camp/

Personally I find this stupid. Being Jewish, my grandma told me plenty of stories of her escape and the family members that our family lost to the Nazis though putting a 91 year old in jail for it? I don't agree. Personally whats done is done and everyone needs to move on from it. I hope this sentence gets thrown out and they let the guy go, looks like hes barely pulling through as is. Don't think he would survive the 5 years in jail.

What do you guys think? Is it time to forgive what was done and move on? Most of the Nazis are gonna be dead soon anyways.
He was finally caught. Let him spend his last years in a filthy cell reflecting on the horror he caused to all those people.


You think he should be allowed to continue his life in freedom, doing as he wants, after all the things he participated in? I don't think there should ever be a time constraint to punish the people that participated in exterminating millions of people.
The man is 91. Hes gonna die anyway soon. Did you see his pictures? Dude looks half dead already, whats the point of throwing him in jail now?
 

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The Red Spy said:
This is a two part answer; a message over how punishment is necessary, and also about this mans case.

Age shouldn't garner leniency or grant freedom. In the same way a smoker will not escape the consequences they bring on by their actions, people who perform such horrific acts such should be held accountable. It would be nice to be able to "forgive and forget", but (to quote Movie Bob) "we do not live in a perfect world", and whilst some would view the act as kindness, others would see it as a weakness. Compassion should not be taken into account for such heinous crimes against humanity, and judgement should be passed in a fair court of law.

Concerning the defendant, the card evidence is shady. I do not have an opinion on whether the ID card is fake or not, but believe that further investigation should be put into action to give the best possible answer. Also, though his family are obviously looking out for his wellbeing, I do not know whether trying to persuade the court that he is too frail to stand trial to get him off the hook, so to speak. This is obviously not evidence, but if they use this as a ploy to shield him, then

If the man has, as so many people believe, had nightmares or regretted his actions, then why not hand himself in? He has had plenty of time for this guilt to naw away at his conscience, even into old age, but even now he can't admit his part in all of this? If he is guilty of any crime, then by refusing to admit it he continues to spit in the faces of everyone murdered in the camps, in the streets and in foreign lands: how do you find forgiveness with such an act?
You sir have posted one of the most intelligent posts I have read in a very long time.
 

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He was a Soviet at heart, not a Nazi. The Soviets were not evil (Despite Stalin killing plenty of people but thats the Chekists) He was forced to do it and he was forced to do it 70 years ago, I think its a bit much to punish the guy now. (I am no Nazi sympathizer but I do feel some of them were conscripted and forced to do killings, they most likely did not enjoy it, they even did an experiment that people would follow any authority figure regardless.
 

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dont you just feel sorry for him, i mean, he cant even stand, or speak properly.

he wasnt German, he was Ukrainian, he wasnt a nazi by choice, he was a servant of the nazi's by force.

if someone said kill this guy or die, i would kill the other guy, easily. that was a very scary time.

and also, whats the point of sentencing him now? whats he going to do. and 5 years for killing 30,000 seems a little easy, if they truly are merciless, 30,000 life sentences would have been fitting.
 

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EcksTeaSea said:
Easy Street said:
EcksTeaSea said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43002291/ns/world_news-europe/t/john-demjanjuk-found-guilty-helping-kill-jews-nazi-camp/

Personally I find this stupid. Being Jewish, my grandma told me plenty of stories of her escape and the family members that our family lost to the Nazis though putting a 91 year old in jail for it? I don't agree. Personally whats done is done and everyone needs to move on from it. I hope this sentence gets thrown out and they let the guy go, looks like hes barely pulling through as is. Don't think he would survive the 5 years in jail.

What do you guys think? Is it time to forgive what was done and move on? Most of the Nazis are gonna be dead soon anyways.
He was finally caught. Let him spend his last years in a filthy cell reflecting on the horror he caused to all those people.


You think he should be allowed to continue his life in freedom, doing as he wants, after all the things he participated in? I don't think there should ever be a time constraint to punish the people that participated in exterminating millions of people.
The man is 91. Hes gonna die anyway soon. Did you see his pictures? Dude looks half dead already, whats the point of throwing him in jail now?
To prove a point.

You can't commit a crime, wait a few years and have it be cleared just because it happened a while ago.
 

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That's horrible.

Not only was no evidence ever presented, he's being prosecuted simply because he was there. We're imprisoning a man based on a crime committed 70 years ago, a crime that he was forced to be a part of. He's obviously tried to move on with his life, so just let him live in peace for the few years he has left.
 

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So many ignorant views in this thread, you guys were raised to hate nazi's almost as much as nazi's were raised to hate jews.

If there's anything to be learned from the holocaust, it's that you don't send old people to die in prisons for things they have little control over. If you were a german man in nazi germany, chances are you would get conscripted into the war, and chances are, you'd be forced to go through a lot of bad things. Most nazi's who refused their orders or helped jews would be executed.

And all this guy did was work as a prison guard, he didn't kill 28 000 jews, and if he didn't do his job, someone else would.
 

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The thing is though, it is stated that he was a POW and was FORCED to act as a guard (Unless he wanted to be killed or starved to death). There is also ZERO amounts of evidence that he actually killed anyone, and in the article there is EVIDENCE that the U.S. and his Defense both have reason to believe that the SINGLE piece of evidence against him (SS I.D. Card) was faked by the KGB to put him on trial (Which is possible since it would've been made around Post-WW2, and because Russia looked down upon any soldiers who allowed themselves to get caught/serve the enemy).
 

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Hmmm part of my family were killed by Nazis (They were Romanis who'd stopped off in Germany...I don't know why either but they were killed on sight except my great aunt who snuck away coz she was like 9) anyways...I don't know...

He's really old and not every Nazi wanted to be a Nazi. They just thought that's what they had to do to avoid being shot or persecuted. (I know I've spelt that wrong)

But on the other hand he WAS a Nazi so...Hm. I think he's miserable enough as it is without having to go to prison and in there he'd relive the horror of what he did and that's not how I'd want to spend my last years...
 

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He's 91...

2011-91=1920.

1939- War starts.
1945 war ends.

so 19 when the war starts. 25 by the time it ends...

I dont' believe in making a man suffer when not only can it be argued that all the evidence against him is a fraud, not only was he the lowliest of guards, but he was 23, 24 at the oldest when he was doing this stuff.

Young people do stupid shit, especially if it helps them get by.

It's nazi fucking germany, people.
 

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This is a ridiculous witch hunt.

They have no proof he did anything, and instead he has received guilt by association. He was assigned as a prison guard at a Jewish camp. Yes, that's awful - but what was he supposed to do? Run away and be shot for desertion?

In my opinion, the only men who should be punished for this are those who organised and carried out the actual extermination, and particular individuals who committed suffering. Not every prison guard on the block.

Let this old, disabled man die in his own time. You can't hang on to these grudges.
 

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EcksTeaSea said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43002291/ns/world_news-europe/t/john-demjanjuk-found-guilty-helping-kill-jews-nazi-camp/

Personally I find this stupid. Being Jewish, my grandma told me plenty of stories of her escape and the family members that our family lost to the Nazis though putting a 91 year old in jail for it? I don't agree. Personally whats done is done and everyone needs to move on from it. I hope this sentence gets thrown out and they let the guy go, looks like hes barely pulling through as is. Don't think he would survive the 5 years in jail.

What do you guys think? Is it time to forgive what was done and move on? Most of the Nazis are gonna be dead soon anyways.
I'm sure the almost 30 thousand people he helped to kill, the ones who never had the opportunity to reach 91, would feel the same way you do if they were here. But probably not. This isn't about him being old and frail, this is about taking responsibilty for what one has done, he just avoided it longer than the other nazi.
 

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WrongSprite said:
Yeah he'll be dead soon. May as well take any enjoyment he gets out of his life, the chap's a c*nt if you'll excuse the language. I hope he rots there. "Whats done is done" is no reason to ignore mass murder.
PayneTrayne said:
No, he did the crime, so he deserves the time. 'nuff said.

Your mother was murdered yesterday along with 27,899 others. But it was all in the past, so let it go..
theonlyblaze2 said:
At this point, catching the remaining Nazis left alive seems to be more of a warning. "If you are like this man, we will hunt you down to the day you die,"

That said, I am still quite glad they got the bastard.
And to many others as well... did you read the article? This isn't the first time he was investigated. The FBI and Israel (the homeland of the Hebrew nation, the main victims of the Holocaust) investigated him and exonerated him or found some of the evidence brought up in this case to be flawed. Considering the seriousness of the charge, I really, really hope the investigation was done by not one, but several top-ranked investigative services or departments, maybe including Interpol, and perhaps with some weighing in from the CIA and other intelligence agencies, especially since any records they have could easily prove or disprove whether that ID that is both supposedly real and supposedly fabricated by the KGB is real.
I agree that guilty people should be brought to justice, especially for crimes against humanity as a whole, but question one is are we sure this isn't just a witch hunt? Are we absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt sure that he is guilty? Even just having the trials shows that people are taking this seriously, and I'm sure makes real, surviving Nazis shake in their boots as they buy their groceries in a large hat and aviator frame sunglasses. But we should be absolutely sure of their guilt before sentencing. Question two: how far will this go? Consider that A: not every soldier in the German army was a Nazi (political party, not nationality) and B: any Nazi old enough to serve would have to be between 85 and dead now, and at the young side of that, they would have been recruited fresh enough not to have done anything really. It has been 66 years. We could honestly continue until the last Nazi soldier involved in the Holocaust is dead, but I seriously hope that this all stops in 10 years time at least. Because unless one of them is Wolverine, we will from that point be prosecuting corpses and children of Nazis for the crimes of their fathers.

I won't even mention the statute of limitations, because I don't think that applies to genocide. All I'm concerned about is true guilt, and when we will start forgiving and building that better, peaceful tomorrow we keep hearing about.
 

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HG131 said:
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I just clapped. As in, in real life. Let him spend his last few years in hell. It's a small justice for what he did.
<link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment>Milgram's Experiment
I don't really care why he did it. He did it, and he should be punished.
If you had the choice to either kill other people or get killed by someone else by not obeying orders YOU WOULD KILL THE OTHER PEOPLE basic evolution self preservation, thats why there are wars if men are forced into a situation where their life is in danger they'll do everything possible to not die. He wasn't any different
I still think I would deserve punishment for that.
Um, I'm really confused on this whole thing.
You see, I'm German and my Grandfather had to hide from the Nazi's during the siege of Berlin and would have been killed had be been found. The reason I bring this up is simple; if the Nazi's had some how won, he would have gone throughout his life as a despicable deserter blah blah blah. It's very easy to see things from far away and from our perspective. It's easy for a person to say "Yeah, I totally would have done that," when actually DOING it takes a lot more. We're looking at this in the past, and we're looking at this from a different way. It is VERY easy to say "yeah no probs, I'd take the punishment." but to actually take it would be near impossible. I'm sure about 99.99% of people would try to use the(For some reason "HORRIBLE" excuse of I was following orders) to get out of punishment.
Personally I feel this man should go free, he hasn't done too much wrong, and it's nearly impossible to prove it...