91 year old sentenced to jail for his role in killing Jews.

[ApeShapeDeity]

Consider this, however. These cases are not brought to bear lightly, no doubt, particularly in the case of a decrepid old man. There is going to be damning evidence against this guy. Count on it.

It would appear that you are making the claim that an accusation against someone is evidence of that person's guilt. Please tell me that I am wrong.

Yeah, you're wrong. My logic isn't so flawed. What I meant was that this wouldn't be happening if there wasn't sufficient evidence so that the man has a case to answer to. He deserves a fair and unbiased trial... but if he's guilty, he can burn in hell. I'd hate to think of putting an innocent person through this though, which is why they're very careful in these matters.

 

[kayisking]

What's the point?? What more could he do now that he is 91? Now he is gonna stare the wall in jail instead of staring the wall in home or hospital? And Nazis are humans too, intolerance for intolerance is intolerance.

The point is that the man is a murderer and that he needs to be punished.

Why? No seriously, give me your answer. What good comes of this?

None whatsoever, but that is not the point of justice, now is it? Let me ask you a question, what does the word justice mean to you? For me it means that the wicked do not go unpunished, but what does it mean for you?
Ps. As always, please excuse my poor English, as I am not a native speaker.

That's 'justice', but when justice does more harm than good, what's the point?

But how does it more harm than good then?

 

[Midnight Crossroads]

At this point, throwing a 91 year old man in jail over 60 years after the war ended just seems ridiculous, almost childish. Every person touched by the Holocaust is well aware that this man spent the best years of his life a free man. There's really nothing you can get from him worth taking.

 

[SeaCalMaster]

Consider this, however. These cases are not brought to bear lightly, no doubt, particularly in the case of a decrepid old man. There is going to be damning evidence against this guy. Count on it.

It would appear that you are making the claim that an accusation against someone is evidence of that person's guilt. Please tell me that I am wrong.

Yeah, you're wrong. My logic isn't so flawed. What I meant was that this wouldn't be happening if there wasn't sufficient evidence so that the man has a case to answer to. He deserves a fair and unbiased trial... but if he's guilty, he can burn in hell. I'd hate to think of putting an innocent person through this though, which is why they're very careful in these matters.

... Or it could be a mistake, or a "we totally don't still have a Nazi problem" show trial. The statement "they're very careful in these matters" indicates that, according to you, no one gets accused of serious crimes without sufficient evidence to convict. This would mean that indictment implies guilt.

 

[Nukey]

He was a guard, a soldier, not a fucking general or warlod. He likely didn't care for his job, it was just an assignment, an assignment he would get killed or sent to the front lines for refusing.

He's a human fucking being who got a terrible job due to circumstance, by that logic the pilots who dropped the atomic bombs over Japan are just as bad, if not worse, than him; so stop treating him like he's a monster and let him die in peace, guilt is already a terrible thing to die with, may as well give him the company of his loved ones in his final moments.

 

[Keava]

Did you even read the article you link ? He will not go to jail. The court sentenced him to 5 years (not much considering the scale of the crime), but he will be released due to his age.
The whole trail was always about him getting sentenced because apparently that's how we perceive justice - through paperwork. The whole prosecution in such cases is usually all about proving the point that even after many years a person can be held responsible for their crimes.

 

[The Apothecarry]

He's 91 years old. If anything, he wants to forget the past and move on. Of course he's sorry for what he did, there's no doubt about that. Sentencing him to do any time in jail for a 70-year-old crime that he already feels guilty about is adding insult to injury.

Forgive and forget. I know he wants to.

 

[scyther250]

Getting sentenced for what you're ordered to do is ridiculous. It isn't your average person's choice whether to comply or not. If you're a military man, or especially a PoW being forced to work, failure to comply is not an option. Charge and incarcerate/execute the generals and leaders, sure, but rank and file are innocent in any way that matters.

 

[Biosophilogical]

What's the point?? What more could he do now that he is 91? Now he is gonna stare the wall in jail instead of staring the wall in home or hospital? And Nazis are humans too, intolerance for intolerance is intolerance.

The point is that the man is a murderer and that he needs to be punished.

Why? No seriously, give me your answer. What good comes of this?

None whatsoever, but that is not the point of justice, now is it? Let me ask you a question, what does the word justice mean to you? For me it means that the wicked do not go unpunished, but what does it mean for you?
Ps. As always, please excuse my poor English, as I am not a native speaker.

That's 'justice', but when justice does more harm than good, what's the point?

But how does it more harm than good then?

Okay, simple.

Good:
- Nothing

Harm:
- Sending a 91 year old man to prison

I think that's fairly simple.

 

[scorptatious]

This is a very gray issue for me. On one hand, he helped with the mass murder of countless people. On the other hand, he is a very elderly man with possibly only a few years left to live who has only now been convicted for something that happened a long time ago. I'm really not sure where I stand on this...

 

[kayisking]

What's the point?? What more could he do now that he is 91? Now he is gonna stare the wall in jail instead of staring the wall in home or hospital? And Nazis are humans too, intolerance for intolerance is intolerance.

The point is that the man is a murderer and that he needs to be punished.

Why? No seriously, give me your answer. What good comes of this?

None whatsoever, but that is not the point of justice, now is it? Let me ask you a question, what does the word justice mean to you? For me it means that the wicked do not go unpunished, but what does it mean for you?
Ps. As always, please excuse my poor English, as I am not a native speaker.

That's 'justice', but when justice does more harm than good, what's the point?

But how does it more harm than good then?

Okay, simple.

Good:
- Nothing

Harm:
- Sending a 91 year old man to prison

I think that's fairly simple.

The way I look at it it is like this:

Good: Sending a mass murderer who has killed many people to jail.

Bad: None

Anyway listen, I think it is obvious that neither of us is going to change their opinions so let's just agree to disagree before it get's nasty. It was a pleasure to speak with you.

Ps. Please excuse my poor English, I am not a native speaker.

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43002291/ns/world_news-europe/t/john-demjanjuk-found-guilty-helping-kill-jews-nazi-camp/

Snip! quote]

I've been working on a piece of writing that follows the life of an SS waffen member. And while it's incredibly easy for everyone else to blurt out tasteless remarks on how another person deserves to die I'm afraid I disagree. You see, from writing this story I've grown to know a nazi very well. A fictional one yes, but regardless the height of his crimes can still be measured very easily.

Where am I going with this? Well, if you actually knew these people I bet you'd all be singing a different tune. Maybe instead of seeing these individuals as horrible people you should just imagine the possibility that they could have just as easily been your father, your brother, or even your god damned kids. I've grown to like this fictional character because regardless of his deeds he's a nice person and I've grown to actually know him.

With that said . . . This Nazi Hunting bull shit has got to stop. If you were under three bat shit insane people I doubt you'd tell them that what they're doing is bad. No, instead you'd roll with it and simply do those horrible things to keep your family alive. You'd be no less of a monster then him. The people responsible for the war, the suffering, the death . . . we already got them, they're fuckin' dead. So why is it we need to continually go on this witch hunt?

And you know the thing I find most disgusting out of all of this? Hypocrisy. What about all the Russians that killed all those Germans, why hasn't shit been done about them? What about the gulags, and all the daughters they raped and killed in front of their mothers? (Or perhaps the other way around. Either way that wasn't an exaggeration.)

Hell, I've even got something recent. It seems it's completely all right when our soldiers lure and run over kids and torture people. In fact, when it's our soldiers doing these things we argue that 'war is hell.' But when a man is forced to do these horrible things he deserves to die, no questions asked.

Both were horrible deeds. The only difference is that I've seen fellow escapists defend the one that includes people murdering other people with a fragile excuse and the other is the one that escapists condemn which included a man doing something pretty much against his will in hopes of not pissing off one of the worlds most psychotic dictators.

Now, maybe you should go ahead and read that second paragraph again. You can be honest, that's the only reason you defend the 'kill team' isn't it? Because they're Americans. Your brothers, your fathers, and your children. History fails in all meaning when we point out the horrible things another person does. Because ultimately that only causes more war, because it gives us reasons to kill other people. History succeeds when we point out what went wrong then, and what's fucked up right now.

Once upon a time my country, Canada, deported lots of jews back to Germany. And you know what? I'm pretty sure every other country is guilty of this as well. So is this man any worse then our great grandfathers? Thousands of people were pleaing to be saved and we just ignored them, sending them to their graves.

An eye for an eye will leave us all blind. (<3 Gandhi) Either we can continue feeding off poison and assume we're the good guys and killing off those that aren't our brothers and fathers. Or we can just go ahead and admit that all of us fucked up and promise to each other - instead of pointing the finger at who's worse - that we'll never go back to WW2 again.

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

I kind of started losing sympathy for the "Nazi Hunters" after they executed all the surviving Nazi officers and started hunting down the typical grunts that were drafted into service when they were 16. This guy likely had no actual devotion to what he was doing he was just some teenager pulled away from his family, given a gun, and told to guard the side door to a building with people inside.

Hunting them down makes the Nazi hunters just look like a bunch of vindictive cunts.

Sourses please. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I really need to know if they really are killing grunts.

 

[ramboondiea]

he was a simple tower watchman during a war, to even try and claim he was responsible for there murders is ridiculous. basically just because he was involved with nazis then everyone thinks he should be lynched. its just stupid.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

Didn't read the story, but there is no statute of limitation on murder, I'm sure genocide, being murder to the max is the same. I say send him on a plane to Israel, I'm sure they'll figure out what to do with him.

 

[SeaCalMaster]

What's the point?? What more could he do now that he is 91? Now he is gonna stare the wall in jail instead of staring the wall in home or hospital? And Nazis are humans too, intolerance for intolerance is intolerance.

The point is that the man is a murderer and that he needs to be punished.

Why? No seriously, give me your answer. What good comes of this?

None whatsoever, but that is not the point of justice, now is it? Let me ask you a question, what does the word justice mean to you? For me it means that the wicked do not go unpunished, but what does it mean for you?
Ps. As always, please excuse my poor English, as I am not a native speaker.

That's 'justice', but when justice does more harm than good, what's the point?

But how does it more harm than good then?

Okay, simple.

Good:
- Nothing

Harm:
- Sending a 91 year old man to prison

I think that's fairly simple.

The way I look at it it is like this:

Good: Sending a mass murderer who has killed many people to jail.

Bad: None

Anyway listen, I think it is obvious that neither of us is going to change their opinions so let's just agree to disagree before it get's nasty. It was a pleasure to speak with you.

Ps. Please excuse my poor English, I am not a native speaker.

Since when is he a mass murderer? They're claiming he was a petty guard, and even that's not obvious.

 

[Da pyro man 999]

In my opinion, they should let him go. Most of the time the lower ranking soldiers ect were just following orders. The man has obviously tried to move on with his life and become a respectable US citizen and family man, let him live his last few years in peace.

Funny thing is(well, not that funny) when ever a guard of a death camp was brought infront of a court, 'I was only following orders' was the main excuse. And, in England anyway, we hung every one of them. So, in my opinion, let him rot in prison.