A bit of a philosophical type of question....(2 cents welcome)

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shadowstriker86 said:
oh one other thing, if i remember correctly science was the one to answer when life begins: when the sperm hits the egg and....i think its meiosis...or is it mitosis...well one of those happens.
mitosis is when cells copy themselves for normal growth/repair
meiosis is where cells are half copied for gametes (sex cells)
(poor explanation but u get the jist)
 

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I don't think there's really any correlation between religious belief and value of life, it will more or less average out about the same.
 

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pimppeter2 said:
It depends on the person. I mean we've all met atheist misanthropes.

(Ohh and its good to remember that not all Christian are against abortions)
Would you agree that most conservative christians are against abortion? and why did you pick christianity as an example? its the most modern edited religion there is and to top it off modern christianity does not need even need the bible. It is enough to mention the golden rule and everyone walks home happy because everyone goes to heaven as long as they are nice and believe in jesus.

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FeverSK said:
Easy one.

Atheists value life more. Religious people are *sure* there is a better life after this (miserable) one, so they just can't appreciate it as much as the atheists, who find it precious and unique.

Yes, blanket statements certainly are easy. Let's forget about the contributions of Mother Theresa and other religious people who spent most or all of their lives trying to make the physical, transitory lives of the sick and the poor just a little bit better. Obviously these were folks who couldn't appreciate the precious and unique nature of life.

Also... Abortion centers? Just throwing that out there. Since, you know, we're talking about life in general and not "intelligent" life.
Yeah, let's not forget about all the good that religion did to us.
I find it interesting that you would post the twin towers as your propaganda for why all religions are bad things. Seems like you're so equally religious in your anti-religion that you will use a minority population of the religious community to argue the entire religious community's terrible nature. I don't believe I need to mention Stalin though. Lets completely overlook Stalin when we attack the religious.

See, it goes both ways. Sorry I had to shoot you with this post.
all countries and ideologies have their bad sheep.
 

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Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
It depends on the person. I mean we've all met atheist misanthropes.

(Ohh and its good to remember that not all Christian are against abortions)
Would you agree that most conservative christians are against abortion? and why did you pick christianity as an example? its the most modern edited religion there is and to top it off modern christianity does not need even need the bible. It is enough to mention the golden rule and everyone walks home happy because everyone goes to heaven as long as they are nice and believe in jesus.
Because Christian are usually the ones that are protesting the abortion stuff.

Yes conservative Christians are against abortion. Thats why I said not all Christians are anti abortions. The OP makes it sound like every Christian on earth goes around killing abortion doctors (okay not really but he makes it sound like they're all against it).

Also whats wrong with modern Christianity. It makes much more sense to me that Christians today are just preaching the word of God (i.e Be nice to your neighbor) rather than preaching about weird spiritual rituals.
 

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pimppeter2 said:
Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
It depends on the person. I mean we've all met atheist misanthropes.

(Ohh and its good to remember that not all Christian are against abortions)
Would you agree that most conservative christians are against abortion? and why did you pick christianity as an example? its the most modern edited religion there is and to top it off modern christianity does not need even need the bible. It is enough to mention the golden rule and everyone walks home happy because everyone goes to heaven as long as they are nice and believe in jesus.
Because Christian are usually the ones that are protesting the abortion stuff.

Yes conservative Christians are against abortion. Thats why I said not all Christians are anti abortions. The OP makes it sound like every Christian on earth goes around killing abortion doctors (okay not really but he makes it sound like they're all against it).

Also whats wrong with modern Christianity. It makes much more sense to me that Christians today are just preaching the word of God (i.e Be nice to your neighbor) rather than preaching about weird spiritual rituals.
Because then it is not christianity anymore, you cant do christianity lite version because it contradicts everything previously written in the book your quoting. Modern christianity is an absurdity. You might aswell destroy the churces, ambolish the religion and teach your children to be nice.
 

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Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
It depends on the person. I mean we've all met atheist misanthropes.

(Ohh and its good to remember that not all Christian are against abortions)
Would you agree that most conservative christians are against abortion? and why did you pick christianity as an example? its the most modern edited religion there is and to top it off modern christianity does not need even need the bible. It is enough to mention the golden rule and everyone walks home happy because everyone goes to heaven as long as they are nice and believe in jesus.
Because Christian are usually the ones that are protesting the abortion stuff.

Yes conservative Christians are against abortion. Thats why I said not all Christians are anti abortions. The OP makes it sound like every Christian on earth goes around killing abortion doctors (okay not really but he makes it sound like they're all against it).

Also whats wrong with modern Christianity. It makes much more sense to me that Christians today are just preaching the word of God (i.e Be nice to your neighbor) rather than preaching about weird spiritual rituals.
Because then it is not christianity anymore, you cant do christianity lite version because it contradicts everything previously written in the book your quoting. Modern christianity is an absurdity. You might aswell destroy the churces, ambolish the religion and teach your children to be nice.
Religion evolves (hehehe)

I mean, that like saying your still expecting Christians to go around killing heretics
 

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pimppeter2 said:
Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
It depends on the person. I mean we've all met atheist misanthropes.

(Ohh and its good to remember that not all Christian are against abortions)
Would you agree that most conservative christians are against abortion? and why did you pick christianity as an example? its the most modern edited religion there is and to top it off modern christianity does not need even need the bible. It is enough to mention the golden rule and everyone walks home happy because everyone goes to heaven as long as they are nice and believe in jesus.
Because Christian are usually the ones that are protesting the abortion stuff.

Yes conservative Christians are against abortion. Thats why I said not all Christians are anti abortions. The OP makes it sound like every Christian on earth goes around killing abortion doctors (okay not really but he makes it sound like they're all against it).

Also whats wrong with modern Christianity. It makes much more sense to me that Christians today are just preaching the word of God (i.e Be nice to your neighbor) rather than preaching about weird spiritual rituals.
Because then it is not christianity anymore, you cant do christianity lite version because it contradicts everything previously written in the book your quoting. Modern christianity is an absurdity. You might aswell destroy the churces, ambolish the religion and teach your children to be nice.
Religion evolves (hehehe)

I mean, that like saying your still expecting Christians to go around killing heretics
We still get those few chases of severe conservatism <,<. Im not saying modern christianity is a bad thing. Im simply wondering why you bother with it when agnostisism is just as modern yet does not use a bible for its jibber jabber.
 

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Atheists.
Religious people don't like health care, they don't like people colonizing other planets (even if that would save as from world catastrophes) and they have already started religious wars.
Religion is evil.
 

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Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
Madkipz said:
pimppeter2 said:
It depends on the person. I mean we've all met atheist misanthropes.

(Ohh and its good to remember that not all Christian are against abortions)
Would you agree that most conservative christians are against abortion? and why did you pick christianity as an example? its the most modern edited religion there is and to top it off modern christianity does not need even need the bible. It is enough to mention the golden rule and everyone walks home happy because everyone goes to heaven as long as they are nice and believe in jesus.
Because Christian are usually the ones that are protesting the abortion stuff.

Yes conservative Christians are against abortion. Thats why I said not all Christians are anti abortions. The OP makes it sound like every Christian on earth goes around killing abortion doctors (okay not really but he makes it sound like they're all against it).

Also whats wrong with modern Christianity. It makes much more sense to me that Christians today are just preaching the word of God (i.e Be nice to your neighbor) rather than preaching about weird spiritual rituals.
Because then it is not christianity anymore, you cant do christianity lite version because it contradicts everything previously written in the book your quoting. Modern christianity is an absurdity. You might aswell destroy the churces, ambolish the religion and teach your children to be nice.
Religion evolves (hehehe)

I mean, that like saying your still expecting Christians to go around killing heretics
We still get those few chases of severe conservatism <,<. Im not saying modern christianity is a bad thing. Im simply wondering why you bother with it when agnostisism is just as modern yet does not use a bible for its jibber jabber.
I agree, In fact, I believe that a majority of modern day Christians, say under 30, are in fact agnostics. Its just that they have the label from growing up in a Christian house hold.
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
but on the other hand, an atheist believes that this is it, and once you're gone, you're gone.
Kinda answered your own question there. Really though, you can't blanket like this, it depends entirely on the person, as there are multiple arguments for and against on each side.

I say atheists, but there's no way of really quantifying this.
 

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Technically Atheists probably value life more, seeing as how religious people such as myself focus on death more
 

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FeverSK said:
RexoftheFord said:
Seems like you're so equally religious in your anti-religion...
WHAT THE... WHAT... AAAARGH *head explodes*
What? It does make sense what I said. You can be almost cultish/religious in your following of Atheism or being against religion. The sentence isn't a paradox or a contradiction.

Sorry about your head though. I'm not usually a prick about this sort of thing, but if you read my original post on the subject, you can't really judge which group of people value life more. Depends on what life you're talking about. I wish there would've been some clarification.

Again, terribly sorry about your head.
 

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Inconsistancies Arise said:
Thaius said:
Well, based on the popular religious idea of creation, human life is created by God as a sacred, valuable, and important thing. On the other hand, based on evolution, human life is nothing more than a random occurrence with no more value than the cells from which we came: I have been specifically and clearly told many times that due to this, life has no value whatsoever and the only reason not to just kill at will is for societal structure.

So you tell me who values life more.
Damn it, i went through the entire thing with this idea in mind. Well, i am surprised it was not said sooner.

To be honest, it is unfair to say that religion and valuing life are connected. It all is based on the personal perspective of an individual, not the group in themselves, yes there can be influences, but it doesn't completely dominate this perspective.
Well, you ask a general question, you get a general answer. Like I said, the beliefs of most religions involve sanctity of life. This is a general statement regarding religion, just as the original question was a general question. Of course not all people involved with religion hold the same belief, just as not all atheists think that human life has no more worth than a turd. But if we're talking about a topic as broad as this, our answers have to be equally broad. Unlike what you said, "personal perspective of an individual" does not discredit something that is a basic belief of a group. A religious person who doesn't believe in the sanctity of life is the exception to the rule, and thus doesn't warrant mention on such a broad topic as this.

Generally, respect of life is an important part of religious belief, whereas there is nothing to imply need for that belief in atheism. I cannot account for every single believer, but the religious beliefs involve value of life, whereas atheism does not: thus, the general answer to a general question. The only possible kind of answer, unless you want to conduct a survey.
 

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In my oppinon the general mass of the population of these groups (Most religous and non religous) values life equally in most respects. (depending if this also include eternal life) Due to the general mass having the same views on topics about life, for example the natzi's and any other tyrant that caused a genocide as such and how they were wrong and the lifes of the people who were killed did not deserve to die and other arguments (first agrement that came to mind sorry if it is a little offtopic in this post), sure there oppinions differ slightly in some other topics, for example in the argument about abortion one group will force the mother to have an abortion but the other will not and let her choose, but in either case in that argument both groups (i hate having to place people in a specific group) would be arguing for the value of life, either the life or the continuation of the lifestyle and enjoyment of life of the woman in question, or the life of the featus or child in question.

in retrospect to that post as a summary, in my opinion the groups in question on average value life equally, but in a different ways.
 

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To be quite honest, I haven't read the rest of this thread, but my $0.02: I've never heard of an atheist blowing himself up to kill people of different (or any) religions.