A cocky, rude Geoff Keighley shows his true colors to Angry Joe at the VGAs

[More Fun To Compute]

Not sure why this Joe guy thinks that he deserves so much respect and attention. Maybe it's a bit shabby that his meeting was cancelled but I honestly don't see why anyone should care about MMOs not having a category at this award show. Just seems like someone trying to get more attention by knocking something that already isn't popular with his target audience.

 

[Jim Grim]

Wait, so how did this Joe guy come off well in this video? He starts shouting at the guy at very slight provocation, and insulting the show.

 

[Yarpie]

I gotta say that while I understand why Joe felt he was treated badly, because looking away etc. is just plain rude, he really did not pull this one of all that well. He begins by saying he has a bone to pick with Geoff, more or less inviting him to cock fight. He allowed himself to get toppled over very easily, like when he is pushing for an MMO-category but fails to mention more than one or two. Not only that, but he allowed himself to get convinced that FFXIV did not come out this year. If you are going to push his ideas, he has to make a good case for them, and I don't feel he did. It sounded like he wanted a MMO-category for the purpose of having one. He might have had a better case ready, however he didn't present it very well.

He also kept pushing the whole PC-thing, which I never really got where he was going with. He asked where are the PC-games when there was a PC-category. He asked where the strategy games were, and at least two were nominated for PC game of the year. I get that Joe probably had some higher purpose in mind with these questions, but the way he presented his case, it just came off as if he was rambling about something he was not too well informed of.

Geoff did come off a smug bastard, no question about that, but I think Joe handled the whole thing very well either. He claimed that he went in trying to be diplomatic, however he starts it all of by more or less challenging Keighley. And once asked to present his case, he really doesn't put forth all too many good arguments. I'm not blaming Joe entirely here, I'm just saying he did not set himself up for a good interview. He simply seemed too unprepared.

 

[cjbos81]

The sexual tension is palpable.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

The video is loading really slowly, so can anyone tell me what exactly happened? Someone was rude to angry Joe in an interview?

And they are the color of a douchebag:

http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2010/12/geoff-keighley-vgas-interview/

These people, i doesn't recognise thems.

If that is the case, why comment?

I get that you're trying to be clever and/or funny (and failing miserably) by speaking in lolcat language, but if you've got nothing to add to the thread, why respond? Is a +1 post count that important?

To be fair, it did bump your thread.

Angry Joe isn't that funny. I watched a video of his (I believe it was a RDR preview or review of some kind) and it was almost painfully unfunny. I guess I could see people liking him though, but I didn't. Seemed like a nice guy, just not a funny one.

 

[wadark]

Geoff Keighly is NOT the one who gets on my nerves in this video. Who the heck would have thought that Geoff Keighly might be a little distracted while trying to RUN THE WHOLE SHOW.

And here's Joe who seems to know as much about gaming as my grandmother. He's criticizing aspects of the show that aren't even around anymore.

Why no MMO award, because there WERE no MMOs this year. FF14...really? And how are we going to gather up 5 nominees from the veritable TIDAL WAVE of FtP MMOs out there. Most of which are terrible, and the ones that aren't terrible are all carbon copies.

And trying to go into an interview by opening with the line "I have a bone to pick" especially while the guy is already distracted...how can he wonder why Geoff didn't want to talk to him.

 

[kidwithxboxlive]

oh man, at first i was like geoff? from rooster teeth? but he's such a nice guy! but then i realized, no some other geoff who is apparently a douchebag.

same here...
plus i think he was being "rather" rude towards him

 

[PhunkyPhazon]

Geoff Keighly is NOT the one who gets on my nerves in this video. Who the heck would have thought that Geoff Keighly might be a little distracted while trying to RUN THE WHOLE SHOW.

Considering Joe, a major critic of the VGA's, was invited to the show, had to pay for his own plane tickets, and was told he would be able to have a nice sit-down interview with the guy after a week long e-mail session, I think I can understand why he would be pissed at being dead last in line and only given two minutes practically during the show, I can't really blame Joe for being mad. Sure he could have handled it a little better, but I can tell he was trying to keep his cool.

 

[JasonBurnout16]

They were both acting like douches in all honesty. They should just play nicely children ^^

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I dont see Geoff as acting like a douche. I see Joe however throwing a tantrum because a guy seems distracted on essentially the BIG NIGHT of their show, on what looks like the freaking RED CARPET.

If Joan Rivers acted like this she'd have slit her own throat years ago.

What, did you expect the executive producer of the VGAS as the show's night is beginning to step away from the activities of the evening to field questions that are LESS objective interview questions and more like the frothing rage filled rantings of a forum troll and to do so gracefully?!

Then he says something like "He got me on my backfoot!"
He's literally bitching that maybe he wasn't aggressive and antagonistic ENOUGH?! And then he excuses himself by claiming he was trying to be diplomatic?
What the hell did he expect?

I've never watched Angry Joe's videos. And now I know why. Watching grumpy ass ragers can be amusing at times, but Joe just comes off as a dick for the sake of being a "dick."

Oh, and for the record Angry Joe, I do. I GIVE A SHIT about Dane Cook.

 

[Superhyperactiveman]

Joe?

What the hell, Joe?

Really, I'm mad at the guy. He feels like he has been mistreated yet he has been outplayed at every single level:

- Alright, yes, the guy looking away is rude. But it's his show. He has to see what's going on.
- It's not fueled by Mountain Dew anymore.
- Best MMO of the year? Which MMOs do you like that came out this year? How many did you name, Joe? Two. One of them was FF XIV.
FYI, he didn't mean that the FF XIV game did not come out this year. It was a sarcastic remark about the poor, unfinished state of the game. You should know.
- He's annoyed because you bash his show. You should understand that.

Joe came unprepared, didn't expect that him bashing their show would not be welcome and got destroyed. He should at least have the decency to accept his defeat. If Keighley is a douchebag, so am I. Because I don't understand what the hell this is about.

The VGAs are, in my opinion, terrible. But, you know, fighting back at the guy via a video he's unlikely to see, while totally failing to do sp in person... is not too good either.

You have to understand that it's not entirely Joe's fault. He was prepared, but he was prepared for a professional, sit-down interview, because that's what he was promised. Joe is a noted critic of the awards, and to an extent he should have expected them to be a bit hostile, but they invited him. It's not like he barged in screaming, he was invited to the awards to do this. And instead of what he was promised, Keighley used psychology to undermine him. Joe isn't stupid, Keighley's just smart. Everything he did from the first minute he showed up was designed to make Joe feel awkward and unprepared. Just shouting "JOE! Two minutes! Blah blah!" was designed to put him on edge, and it worked because Keighley knows psychology. Everything he did was a very sophisticated bullying tactic and he knew what he was doing.

Now, Joe is not completely off the hook. He should have accounted for this in his preperations and come out a little stronger. But that does not change the facts. He was there to represent the gaming community. Keighley acted like a cock. Keighley is the villain. Joe was given the run-aroudn and so were the people he represented.

 

[McNinja]

I dont see Geoff as acting like a douche. I see Joe however throwing a tantrum because a guy seems distracted on essentially the BIG NIGHT of their show, on what looks like the freaking RED CARPET.

If Joan Rivers acted like this she'd have slit her own throat years ago.

What, did you expect the executive producer of the VGAS as the show's night is beginning to step away from the activities of the evening to field questions that are LESS objective interview questions and more like the frothing rage filled rantings of a forum troll and to do so gracefully?!

Then he says something like "He got me on my backfoot!"
He's literally bitching that maybe he wasn't aggressive and antagonistic ENOUGH?! And then he excuses himself by claiming he was trying to be diplomatic?
What the hell did he expect?

I've never watched Angry Joe's videos. And now I know why. Watching grumpy ass ragers can be amusing at times, but Joe just comes off as a dick for the sake of being a "dick."

Oh, and for the record Angry Joe, I do. I GIVE A SHIT about Dane Cook.

My, aren't you spiteful today.

First - A professional, such as Geoff Keighley, who is the executive producer of the VGA's, did not act professionally in any way. Geoff gave him two minutes, and during that time Joe should have had Geoff undivided attention. But no, Geoff stopped and stared at random celebrities, who, when it comes down to it, don't have that much to do with gaming. Geoff clearly didn't want to talk to Joe and made every effort not too.

Second - If Joe sounded Angry to you from the get-go, you have something to learn about emotions and sarcasm. Joe jokingly said "I gotta bone to pick" because he expected Geoff to not take it seriously, like the woman he interviewed at E3 about Two Worlds 2, to whom he told that Two World sucked, and the interview was just fine. Geoff was a douche to Joe on purpose.

Third - Again, when conducting an interview, LOOK AT THE PERSON WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO. Not Dane-freaking-Cook.

Joe could've been more prepared. Geoff could've been less of a dick.

 

[AcacianLeaves]

Oh, and for the record Angry Joe, I do. I GIVE A SHIT about Dane Cook.

Your points are now invalid. But seriously, you care about Dane Cook on a night meant to exemplify the best in gaming? You care about My Chemical Romance? You want Neil Patrick Harris hosting because he may have, at one point in his life, played a video game? Like these celebrities or not, they are not gaming personalities - they are minor celebrities meant to boost the ratings of a TV event.

Small time internet guy attempting to interview the executive producer of the VGA's during the ceremonies.
Angry Joe is an Angry idiot.

Its been mentioned many times but it bears repeating - Joe was invited to the VGAs as one of its critics to do a serious interview with someone in charge of the event. He was there for this purpose and this purpose only, and Geoff Keighley intentionally disrespected him to avoid actually answering questions from a critic.

Why no MMO award, because there WERE no MMOs this year. FF14...really? And how are we going to gather up 5 nominees from the veritable TIDAL WAVE of FtP MMOs out there. Most of which are terrible, and the ones that aren't terrible are all carbon copies.

Because MMOs are static, never change, and should only be judged once at release and then never mentioned again - right? The point still stands that MMOs should get some kind of attention at an awards show in which they contribute to a huge percentage of the market. You could easily have a 'Years Best' MMO with all existing MMOs as possible nominees. Who had the best expansions? The best in-game events? Who handled the community the best? Who had better patches? etc, etc, etc. And again, you could easily do a category of best new free MMO each year.

Another think to take away from this interview is not just how Joe was treated, but how Geoff Keighley was using his disrespect and mistreatment of Joe as a means to dodge questions. These are legitimate questions about a show that has come to be an insult to many gamers. Look at the questions that he was dodging:

- Why do MMOs not get any mention, or have a presence at the show?
- Why is all of PC gaming relegated to a single 'best of' category?
- Why are there so many minor celebrities and performers instead of industry personalities or gaming performances?
- Why is there no Fighting Game category?

I'll tell you why he is dodging these questions - they all have the same answer:

"Because we are appealing to a specific demographic. They are entirely male, will only play a game if it has a gun or a football in it, are confused by complex machines like PCs, and think that people who play MMOs are 'freaks'. We aren't making a show for gamers, we're making a show for the Spike TV audience. But don't blame me, I'm just cashing the check."

 

[AcacianLeaves]

Its been mentioned many times but it bears repeating - Joe was invited to the VGAs as one of its critics to do a serious interview with someone in charge of the event. He was there for this purpose and this purpose only, and Geoff Keighley intentionally disrespected him to avoid actually answering questions from a critic.

He probably was, yeah. But on the night Keighley was obviously busy (seeing as he is the executive producer you can imagine he would be engaged all night)

End of the day, Keighley may have put too much on his plate and probably had to rush through a few things, including minuscule "personality's" from unknown sites. 'Angry Joe' Vargas was likely just one of the names on the cutting room floor.
Vargas has some loony theory this was all a cunning plan set by Keighley so he could avoid the tough questions from the highly reputable Blistered Thumbs(!)

Har-de-har

The reason why Angry Joe didn't get a long, more private interview like IGN is because Angry Joe is not part of any established video game magazine, site or show.

That's fair enough, but if you have a scheduling conflict or you have to turn a 15 minute sit-down interview into a 2-minute on-the-fly red carpet Q&A, you should have the common courtesy to let him know ahead of time or at least say something like "I'm sorry but I can only give you two minutes, it's really busy around here."

Instead he goes "Joe! You've got two minutes!" to which Joe says, "Come on man you promised me more than that!" and Geoff flippantly replies, "I've got a show to do, come on let's go!"

Blistered Thumbs may not be a big name in the games industry, but they have a much larger fanbase than people seem to think. People are starting to distrust big name sites like IGN and Gamespot for all the reports of manipulated reviews to please advertisers or balooned scores to make developers happy (*cough*Halo: Reach*cough*). Often it seems like all it takes is a promised exclusive and a bag of swag to influence how your game is received by critics.

The face of games journalism is changing, and if people are going to automatically disrespect indie and small time reporters then we are in a seriously sad state. I want the opinions and questions of people that aren't living in the ivory tower, too. That's one of the reasons I come to The Escapist for most of my gaming news.

 

[Machiavellian007]

I didn't much care for either of them, really. It was a flustered, quite aggressive idiot vs. a cocksure, disrespectful mindfucker.

Favourite quote: "Back in 2002, you opened the show with Jenna Jameson basically saying she's just gonna take off her clothes; do you think that's the kind of content real gamers want in their premier gaming show?"

Personally, Joe? I wouldn't mind.