A few thoughts about January 6, 2021
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I mean no, not really.
Trump wanted Pence to stop the certification. Failing that operators were there to install fake electors, as part of a operation planned by Giuliani and using state senators from several states who drafted fake, illegal documents claiming to be electors.
And Trump sent the rioters to the Capital to fight like hell, and part of that was constructing a gallows to hang Mike Pence if he failed to stop the certification. Trump gets the blame for that, you get that, right?
If you tell someone to do something, and they attempt to do, you don't get a pass just because they failed. And Trump doesn't get a pass just because you think he's too stupid to understand consequences to actions.
Seriously, this whole 'Not knowing stuff' debate tactic you're using isn't very effective.
What I said. Trump was allowed into office despite him being painfully unfit and his mandate shaky. Biden despite a clear win and hardly as much legitimate criticism was met with fanatic attempts to deprive him of his rightful office.
I mean, the best you could say about the situation is that they were just threatening to kill Pence so he could throw an election. Which sounds like a traitorous act to me
Well, it wasn't legally shaky. You could say it's shaky democratically, because he didn't get the most votes, but that's an issue with the Electoral College in the first place... but the EC was definitely legally the system in place, so the time to challenge it is absolutely not just after its been used to elect someone.
These people from several states drafted documents declaring themselves electors for Trump in the imaginary situation where the courts overturn election results, which didn't happen so it was meaningless floundering. The gallows you're talking about were like 4 ft tall from the rope to the platform beneath. You're suffering from major delusions here.
Trump was challenged at every opportunity. There were recalls, investigations, objections by senators, faithless electors, and a mob of people at the inauguration screaming and breaking windows. Sure, he made it into office just fine, but so did Biden. In what insane double standard was Trump "allowed" but Biden wasn't?
Uhh no, other way around their chief. Either willful, through drug use, or truly just chicken nuggets in the brain, you've clearly moved to where the trains don't run no more.
If you can't see, or don't want to see the operation that took place, that's sad. That's just sad and you have my sympathy.
You believe that Trump was a mastermind organizing a coordinated effort to perform a violent coup, if necessary, who managed to incite riots through simple, indirect rhetoric as his method of assassinating his own vice president, that he destroyed the direct evidence of his schemes by tearing it in half and then giving it to the archives anyway, and that all his friends and advisors were begging him to stop a riot that they theoretically helped plan to overthrow the government. Do you really not see the cognitive dissonance here?
I do see the cognitive dissonance. His name is tstorm, and for whatever reason he's a absurdist Trump apologist constantly changing goal posts from "Trump didn't do that" to "Trump isn't smart enough to be held accountable" to "LALALALALA Can't hear you, doesn't count!"
You're being as willful ignorant and obtuse as Houseman when he legit thought Cuban zombies voted in Florida.
You are wrong. You world view is not synced with reality. What you see as crazy theories, the rest of saw happen in real time on live television. That you are so opposed to reality and Trump being held accountable is astounding.
It's a difficult thing usually to say whose perspective is better synced with reality, but in this case your viewpoint contradicts itself, so I can guarantee you're wrong about at least something. You've embraced whatever version of each individual event makes Trump look worst, compiled them into a unified conspiracy, and handwaved the fact that your cogs don't fit together.
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Trump received the full cooperation from the Obama adminstration for his transition, two days after the election was called. Granted Trump had nothing in place for the transition, but that's on him not Obama.
Biden had to wait two weeks for any form of cooperation.
Obama was at his term limit, he was transitioning to a new administration regardless of the results. That's not the same situation. And to be clear, you're suggesting an 8 week cooperative transition process compared to a 10 week one is "not allowing Biden to take office"?
When that "cooperation" came after unilaterally and falsely proclaiming the election illegitimate, encouraging citizens not to accept it, and phoning legislators to try to get them to block the legal transfer of power.
Your candidate's lawyer argued, in court, that an entire state's worth of electors should be thrown out, without providing proof of fraud. There is no way to rationally interpret that except for an attempt to disenfranchise that state's entire voterbase in favour of one candidate.
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Again, everything you say is wrong, and you continue to hurt reality. But Im sure Trump loves that people as blind and willing to change their goals to let him escape justice as you exist. Im sure your invitation to his estate and a personal thank you are coming.
Yes, lawyers for Trump argued that Trump should have won. Water is wet, yada yada yada.
Your personal hatred =/= justice.
Doesn't have to be. Im not the one investigating him and taking testimony from his mooks about all the crimes he attempted to commit. And your willful indifference and deliberate blindness isn't the same as a legal defense.
And yet, nobody is investigating or charging him for attempting to assassinate Mike Pence.
Not "should have won". Attempted, in court and representing her employer, to disenfranchise millions of people.
Please, offer me an explanation that squares this with accepting the transfer of power. Because its an unambiguous attempt to reject the transfer of power.
Well, you see, the power transferred. They did not prevent the transfer of power. Trump was the president, and now Biden is, and there was a coordinated handoff of power in between allowing for continuity of governance, that allowed us to reach the Biden Administration.